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Posted on 03/26/2014 10:39:08 AM PDT by grundle

A Facebook update from a father frustrated with the Common Core math program at his son's school is making the Internet rounds after the father Jeff Severt expressed (via what looks like a kid's homework assignment) how convoluted the teaching approach is.

The worksheet posted to Facebook shows the elaborate Common Core (CC) formula for solving a math problem (as opposed to the simple strategy of subtracting the smaller number from the larger one). It instructs the student to explain why a fictional kid named "Jack" should be using common core strategies to solve the problem: “Jack used the number line below to solve 427 - 316. Find his error. Then write a letter to Jack telling him what he did right, and what he should do to fix his mistake.”

Severt's response reads, “Dear Jack, Don’t feel bad. I have a Bachelor of Science Degree in Electronics Engineering, which included extensive study in differential equations and other higher math applications. Even I cannot explain the Common Core mathematics approach, nor get the answer correct. In the real world, simplification is valued over complication. Therefore, 427 - 316 = 111. The answer is solved in under 5 seconds — 111. The process used is ridiculous and would result in termination if used. Sincerely, Frustrated Parent.”

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1 posted on 03/26/2014 10:39:08 AM PDT by grundle

To: grundle

Looks like they’re doing to math what they did to reading.

2 posted on 03/26/2014 10:47:14 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)

Core Curriculum = Yo Child Left Behind

3 posted on 03/26/2014 10:48:22 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")

To: grundle

Nothing like a number line drawn off scale and fixing someone else’s hypothetical far-fetched error to teach an eight year old how to do subtraction.

“Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and Derision”

4 posted on 03/26/2014 10:48:34 AM PDT by heartwood

To: grundle

The designers of this common core math need to be horsewhipped. I don’t expect that to change their minds, either, but it is simple justice.

5 posted on 03/26/2014 10:53:27 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt

To: grundle

I remember doing number line exercises like this long before common core. This problem is relatively sensible and shows how to subtract hundreds, tens and ones and allows the students to learn through finding the errors of others. There’s a lot bad about common core, but I don’t think this problem is the place to do battle. Now if this is all that is taught, or if it is used to prevent full understanding rather than being a stepping stone then fight it.

6 posted on 03/26/2014 10:54:05 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)

To: grundle
“Jack used the number line below to solve 427 - 316. Find his error. Then write a letter to Jack telling him what he did right, and what he should do to fix his mistake.”

Jack,

You did right by trying to do your homework. However, your error was using a number line to solve an extremely simple subtraction problem. Forget common core "math" and ask your parents how to do real math .

Sincerely,

kevkrom

7 posted on 03/26/2014 10:57:06 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)

To: KarlInOhio
I suspect they are trying to teach kids ways to subtract if they don't have paper and pencil handy and have to do it in their heads. It can be difficult to hold the image in your mind that you would have in front of you if you had paper.

Personally, if I were trying to solve 427-316 in my head, I too would first take off the 300, and say to myself "Okay, now it's 127-16." Then I'd take away the 6 and think "Okay, now it's 121-10," and from there I'd be okay. I think that's what they're trying to teach here.

8 posted on 03/26/2014 11:04:22 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady

To: KarlInOhio

It is just plain stupid to teach math this way.

9 posted on 03/26/2014 11:06:21 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative

To: grundle

What the hell is THAT? (3rd grade class of 1955)

10 posted on 03/26/2014 11:06:50 AM PDT by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')

To: heartwood

I’ve never heard of Uglification.

11 posted on 03/26/2014 11:07:22 AM PDT by sportutegrl

To: grundle
They're attempting to teach head counting *tricks* without teaching the *techniques* those tricks are based on.
Without knowing proper techniques, the tricks become a jumble of incomprehensible rules.
As for the question in the problem, Jack forgot to subtract the *1* in 316.
CC does not seem to have any easy way to double check results.

12 posted on 03/26/2014 11:15:44 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)

To: KarlInOhio

-1 *scoffs* at you for being so gullible.

13 posted on 03/26/2014 11:16:11 AM PDT by Usagi_yo (Journalticion -- journalist + politician. Used to be called propagandist.)

One problem I have with many of the common core fights is that we don't see the entire text book, but only a few pages to get outraged about. Are the methods used for a few days or weeks to try to get concepts across which will then be used to teach standard methods, or are they dead ends which are muddleheadedly taught until calculators are thrown to the kids? Have there been real side by side studies on teaching different groups of students different methods to see which method ends up with the best education? Or do you just have a bunch of educational profiteers coming up with "new" methods to sell text books because otherwise schools might just keep their old text books for free, thus leaving education professors without the extra pay from writing new texts.

Then, on top of that, is the constant suspicion that the government wants to bring up a generation of compliant drones rather than educated citizens and common core is the path to do that.

14 posted on 03/26/2014 11:17:35 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)

Even there, describing how to translate the problem doesn’t need a number line. The various stages (X - Y) = ((X - 10) - (Y - 10)) could be put down as such.

15 posted on 03/26/2014 11:22:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)

To: kevkrom

This used to be called ‘going around your ass to get to your elbow.’ I would give them the benefit of the doubt if one of the numbers was negative and the problem was to explain measuring displacement on the number line, but if this is supposed to aid skill in basic subtraction it is ridiculous.

16 posted on 03/26/2014 11:23:55 AM PDT by Old North State

To: BitWielder1

It’s like trying to teach algebra without teaching algebra.

Why not just give in and teach algebra. It could be kept really simple. This doesn’t need to be your high school algebra. Then, from the simple algebra go to the numeric applications.

17 posted on 03/26/2014 11:24:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)

To: grundle

They are using a number line to solve a multiplication problem. They also use hash marks to solve multiplication and division. Seems they want kids to “visualize”.

I taught my own kids. The problem here seems to be that you only use visualization until they get the concept, which is a very short time and should be done on an individual basis. “Here is a pizza - cut it into pieces”. It’s all part of holding kids back to be equal with the common herd, rather than moving forward into their excellence.

And I’m sure it all has to do with money. We all know what redoing curriculums and textbooks is all about, don’t we? Government mandated money spending to the tune of millions.

18 posted on 03/26/2014 11:25:42 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)

To: grundle

” Dear Jack,

We have found the mistake and included the correction for you.

Take this letter to your teacher, with a carbon copy for the principal, informing them you will be leaving the public school system, and will be homeschooled.

It seems this is the only correct answer to the problem of schools too stupid to teach simple basic math.”

19 posted on 03/26/2014 11:27:43 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)

To: KarlInOhio
Question: are parochial/private schools also teaching this commie crap? Are home schoolers being taught this crap?

If not, I'd take my kid out of the commie schools and get them into whatever school that will teach them correctly. Working parents or otherwise should get together and hire a retired teacher to teach their children the way we were taught in the 40s and 50s, speaking for myself and my education. These kids must not be allowed to be indoctrinated in this commie/marxist/communist attempt to educate and control OUR CHILDREN.

PARENTS, TAKE YOU CHILDREN BACK! IT IS YOUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO BE THE ONY PERSON WHO DECIDES HOW YOUR CHILD WILL EDUCATED. AS LONG AS YOU DO NOTHING, THEN YOU ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE LEFT. FIGHT FOR YOUR KIDS AND YOUR RIGHTS!

20 posted on 03/26/2014 11:28:38 AM PDT by itssme

To: KarlInOhio
Then, on top of that, is the constant suspicion that the government wants to bring up a generation of compliant drones rather than educated citizens and common core is the path to do that.

"Suspicion"?  There's your problem right there.

21 posted on 03/26/2014 11:30:24 AM PDT by 867V309 (Obammy = LIAR)

To: Resolute Conservative

The ebonification of math.

22 posted on 03/26/2014 11:32:22 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice

To: 867V309

Ah, any true blue FReeper would call it fact!

23 posted on 03/26/2014 11:33:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)

To: Cowgirl of Justice

What did Ebonics ever do to deserve the comparison (duck’n & runn’n!)

24 posted on 03/26/2014 11:33:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)

To: BitWielder1
On the other hand without an understanding that 427 - 316 is solved by first subracting 6 from 427, then 10 from that difference and finally 300 from that difference, the standard algorithm just becomes a confusing mess. I remember in my early grades (I forget whether it was first, second or third) sticking my finger on a number line and moving to the right or left to add or subtract.

If the students spend a week or two drawing jumps on a number line then I have no problem with it. If that ends up being their primary method or they spend months doing it then I do have a problem. One page in a workbook doesn't show which of those is true.

One thing I don't like is how this problem subtracts 300 first instead of 6, because the standard method goes from the least significant to most significant digits to handle borrowing properly.

25 posted on 03/26/2014 11:34:35 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)

To: grundle

Can you imagine how they’d handle hex?

26 posted on 03/26/2014 11:34:37 AM PDT by sasquatch

To: KarlInOhio

In my grandchildren’s school district, this nonsensical system was introduced 2 years ago and is in use up through 6th grade. NONE of the parents understand it; the school district had to put a special page on its website to try to teach the parents how to help their kids. I’ve had a 10 year old dissolving in tears because she doesn’t understand it and, when I try to show her the “old” way, is afraid to try any other way than what her teacher says.

It is absolutely the most stupid thing introduced to elementary schools since “look and see, memorize, but don’t use phonics” attempts at teaching reading.

27 posted on 03/26/2014 11:38:08 AM PDT by JoyjoyfromNJ (everything written by me on FR is my personal opinion & does not represent my employer)

To: KarlInOhio

Yes, it’s a mess.

I think one of the worst parts is that it DOES alienate parents.

They used to teach borrowing and carrying with clothespins on a Masonite figure. That was close enough to the numbers on the paper to directly translate.

28 posted on 03/26/2014 11:38:16 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)

To: JoyjoyfromNJ

This is a sign that parents need to descend en masse on the school boards. Problems aren’t just on paper; they are in real life too.

29 posted on 03/26/2014 11:39:29 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)

To: sasquatch
Can you imagine how they’d handle hex?

By drawing a pentagram on the floor and splashing around some goat's blood? Or were you talking about hexadecimal numbers?

P.S. Why do programmers get Halloween and Christmas confused?

30 posted on 03/26/2014 11:39:34 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)

To: grundle; betty boop; marron; Alamo-Girl; CottShop; metmom; xzins; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; ..

Another reason for the separation of School & State. BEEP!

31 posted on 03/26/2014 11:39:43 AM PDT by YHAOS

To: KarlInOhio

32 posted on 03/26/2014 11:41:26 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)

To: HiTech RedNeck

2-3 generations of educational decline prove the fact. 40 to 60 years is no accident.

33 posted on 03/26/2014 11:42:26 AM PDT by 867V309 (Obammy = LIAR)

To: grundle

“Right” answer? There’s the problem right there. There are no right answers, only opinions. What’s important about arithmetic problems is how they make the student feel about him/her/itself. Sure, you might *think* the answer is 111, but that’s strictly a social construct of the oppressive Patriarchy. What if you’re a minority womyn in a man’s body? How oppressive is it to be told by a white heteronormative male that the “right” answer is what he thinks it is? Huh?

34 posted on 03/26/2014 11:42:52 AM PDT by Billthedrill

To: 867V309

A government with a constitution headed like this one “We The People” will track whatever “We The People” happen to believe. Whether that is false or true or however that happened.

This is where Bible literacy used to help. It showed the major ways in which people could get themselves in trouble, and we could learn from their errors rather than in God’s school of hard knocks.

Be careful that when you point a finger at anyone three more point back at you.

35 posted on 03/26/2014 11:45:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)

To: 17th Miss Regt

I saw a post where the kid had the right answer but the teacher admonished him for not using “friendly numbers”

Crazy

36 posted on 03/26/2014 11:55:53 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)

To: grundle

Looks like Jack can’t use a simple number line.

37 posted on 03/26/2014 11:57:54 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%

To: grundle; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

## ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

Pinging BOTH homeschool lists to see this abomination called Common Core.

38 posted on 03/26/2014 12:11:04 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)

To: grundle

Indiana just opted OUT or the core program....we’ll develop our own!!!!

39 posted on 03/26/2014 12:11:38 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)

To: YHAOS

Public education may be child abuse, but at least it costs a fortune.

40 posted on 03/26/2014 12:12:48 PM PDT by Jacquerie ( Article V.)

The govt is attempting to train kids to think in a way that is not natural for every person.

Common Core belongs in a puzzle book collecting dust on a forgotten bookshelf.

41 posted on 03/26/2014 12:26:50 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)

To: BitWielder1
They're attempting to teach head counting *tricks*...

Which is a good skill to have.

...without teaching the *techniques* those tricks are based on.

And you know this as a fact because you've seen all of the previous pages of the workbook in question? Or are you just jumping to this conclusion without any evidence to back it up?

42 posted on 03/26/2014 12:28:16 PM PDT by Monitor ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-front for the urge to rule it." - H. L. Mencken)

To: GeronL

The right answer is not relevant....it’s the new standard process that you must follow as the regime dictates

43 posted on 03/26/2014 12:38:12 PM PDT by rights with responsibilities

To: Jacquerie
"Public education may be child abuse, but at least it costs a fortune."

(weak smile)

44 posted on 03/26/2014 12:56:17 PM PDT by YHAOS

To: HiTech RedNeck

Hex is shorthand for binary..

45 posted on 03/26/2014 1:23:39 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)

To: JoyjoyfromNJ

I hear you Joy. When I was in CA., visiting my granddaughters , I was amazed to see this crazy way they teach math. The eight year old was also reduced to tears trying to grasp, what to me, what should have been simple problems.
My almost 11 year old and 13 year old grandsons, in MA., don’t seem to be having this problem but then the 13 year old could probably run circles around the teacher. He’s one of those people that has a mind for mathematics.

46 posted on 03/26/2014 1:39:59 PM PDT by surrey

To: Monitor
I've seen several other examples of CC. They are just as clunky.
If you are a proponent of CC, then please explain how it is better than the old way.
Are children learning faster? Will they be more proficient?
Will they be functional in life, art, business and the scientific community?
Where are there studies that were made, pro or con, before this standard was made official?
Everything I read about the pros of CC are full of empty buzzwords.

47 posted on 03/26/2014 1:43:29 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)

To: hosepipe
Hex is shorthand for binary..

Now that's funny. I remember teaching alternative number systems to my kids. It's not really hard. Best way is to start with a clock. Time is actually more complex than a lot of folks really thing You're looking at at least three separate bases. Depending upon whether or not you're using military time, whether or not you care about am/pm indicators it can be more.

48 posted on 03/26/2014 1:59:21 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)

To: BitWielder1
I've seen several other examples of CC. They are just as clunky.

I've seen plenty of examples of CC here and elsewhere as well, followed by a bunch of people jumping to the unsupported conclusion that traditional columner math wasn't already taught in an earlier lesson.

Some math methods work best when you have paper and pencil ("the old way"), and others work best when you're trying to do math in your head (what I suspect is the point of the given exercise).

If you are a proponent of CC, then please explain how it is better than the old way.

I am not a proponent of CC. The difference between us is that you (and a whole bunch of FReepers, btw) are basing your arguments on the assumtion that the old way isn't also being taught.

Are children learning faster? Will they be more proficient? Will they be functional in life, art, business and the scientific community? Where are there studies that were made, pro or con, before this standard was made official? Everything I read about the pros of CC are full of empty buzzwords.

I have no idea.

49 posted on 03/26/2014 3:10:00 PM PDT by Monitor ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-front for the urge to rule it." - H. L. Mencken)

To: metmom

Recently I attended a meeting led by someone from HSLDA. The talk turned to Common Core. I have to admit, I didn’t understand what Common Core was until that meeting.

Everyone was talking about correct answers being marked wrong because the student didn’t explain it the way Common Core wants it explained.

And eventually, the SAT could be changed to match this Common Core nonsense.

50 posted on 03/26/2014 3:18:13 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes