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Obama doesnít grasp Putinís Eurasian ambitions
washington post ^ | March 19 | editorial board

Posted on 03/26/2014 11:59:49 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

"... It’s necessary, however, to take some of what Mr. Putin said seriously, because of the implicit threat it poses to European and global security. Mr. Putin advanced a radical and dangerous argument: that the collapse of the Soviet Union left “the Russian nation” as “one of the biggest, if not the biggest ethnic group in the world to be divided by borders.” That, he suggested, gave Moscow the right to intervene in Crimea, and, by extension, anywhere it considers ethnic Russians or their culture to be threatened."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: putin; ukraine

1 posted on 03/26/2014 11:59:49 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Bammy grasps his putter.


2 posted on 03/26/2014 12:01:17 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Putin needs to grab Syria; to protect Orthodox Christians.


3 posted on 03/26/2014 12:02:41 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Brooklyn?


4 posted on 03/26/2014 12:03:05 PM PDT by ricmc2175
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To: Paladin2

I though Michelle removed that many years ago.


5 posted on 03/26/2014 12:03:23 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
anywhere it considers ethnic Russians or their culture to be threatened."

Like Alaska?

6 posted on 03/26/2014 12:09:00 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: Paladin2

“Bammy grasps his putter.”

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If Reggie doesn’t grasp it first.


7 posted on 03/26/2014 12:14:10 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

The only thing nobama has a firm grasp of is attached to Reggie!


8 posted on 03/26/2014 12:21:35 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Those that fail to learn the lessons of history...


9 posted on 03/26/2014 12:24:31 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
RE: “Obama doesn’t grasp Putin’s Eurasian ambitions.”

I don't grasp it, either.

I don't think Conservatives have completely thought this issue through.

The only way Putin can recreate the old Soviet Union is to recreate the old totalitarian police state that kept it all together.

Is that his plan?

Really?

Well, I guess anything is possible.

But I'm not going to worry about Crimea until I see a lot more evidence that Putin's goal in life is to become a violent mass murderer and dictator.

10 posted on 03/26/2014 12:30:34 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Yes he does and he is supporting it. This is exactly what he and the Democrats wants. This is not stupidity, niavetivity, errors, wishfull thinking, moronic foreign policy, reset or redo. This what he plans for the total destruction of the US. And Hannity, it is not medial bias or spending our childrens money. This a plan of destruction. period


11 posted on 03/26/2014 12:34:39 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Barack Hussein Chamberlain.
12 posted on 03/26/2014 12:36:03 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: zeestephen
Is that his plan?

He's KGB.

Of course that's his plan.

13 posted on 03/26/2014 12:39:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: Excellence

Sarah Palin better watch out or her House will be IN Russia! They may ask for Alaska Back! Still, I think Sarah might get along with Vlad—they could go hunting together.


14 posted on 03/26/2014 1:38:33 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: zeestephen; E. Pluribus Unum
I don't think these NeoCons controlling the WAPO editorial board grasp it.

There are only a few countries in Eurasian agreement and the Collective Security Treaty Organization(CSTO) and most have no interest in joining.

OTOH, they are interested in the EU and NATO

The deal that Putin offered Ukraine was a lot better than the deal that the EU offered Ukraine, but they preferred the EU deal.

15 posted on 03/26/2014 2:08:38 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: zeestephen
But I'm not going to worry about Crimea until I see a lot more evidence that Putin's goal in life is to become a violent mass murderer and dictator.

Hitler's ambition was invisible in 1933. Especially his ambition to kill all the Jews, which was a state secret as late as 1941 (insert story about Frau von Schirach, who Didn't Get It as late as Christmas Eve 1941), almost a year after the secret Wannsee conference and Protocol.

By the time you realize what Vlad is made of, like Hitler, you'll be awfully late to the effort to stop him.

16 posted on 03/26/2014 2:28:02 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Still, I think Sarah might get along with Vlad—they could go hunting together.

Yeah -- breathe, Sarah. Breathe and squeeeeeze. You know how!

Bring that sumbitch back from the woods on the hood of her Jeep, she will.

17 posted on 03/26/2014 2:29:41 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: zeestephen
The only way Putin can recreate the old Soviet Union is to recreate the old totalitarian police state that kept it all together.

Is that his plan?

Really?

Well, I guess anything is possible.

But I'm not going to worry about Crimea until I see a lot more evidence that Putin's goal in life is to become a violent mass murderer and dictator.

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Well, say that the "plan" is a larger, more powerful, more united Russia.

I don't think Putin is going to want to conquer other peoples as a goal or to establish himself as a tyrant or Russia as a totalitarian state.

But if he really does expand Russia's borders to take in Russians currently outside the Russian Federation, it will probably involve taking in at least a few reluctant subjects, some of them of non-Russian origin, and Putin may feel himself "forced" to centralize power to a greater and greater degree to hold the country together.

So without intending to become a dictator, he may find himself moving in just that direction -- not an unfamiliar pattern for rulers if you study Russian history. Again and again, reformist tsars were frustrated by the degree to which centralized power was necessary to hold the empire together.

18 posted on 03/26/2014 2:41:11 PM PDT by x
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RE: “Hitler's ambition was invisible in 1933.”

I completely disagree.

He tried to violently overthrow a democratically elected government in 1923, and Mein Kampf was in bookstores by 1925.

Before 1933:

Hitler explicitly stated his desire for a Pan-German state that included the Rhineland, the Sudetenland, Danzig and the Polish Corridor, and Austria.

He explicitly stated his intention to colonize vast areas of the Soviet Union with German farm families.

He explicitly stated the necessity to avoid war until Germany had rearmed, and he explicitly stated the necessity to avoid a two front war.

He never explicitly called for the extermination of the Jews.

However, he frequently spoke of the need for a “final solution to the Jewish question.”

That phrase had been used by Kaiser Wilhelm 30 years earlier, and meant the eviction of all Jews from the Reich.

19 posted on 03/27/2014 12:00:59 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
[You] But I'm not going to worry about Crimea until I see a lot more evidence that Putin's goal in life is to become a violent mass murderer and dictator.

[Me] Hitler's ambition was invisible in 1933. Especially his ambition to kill all the Jews ....

Recontextualizing my comment, I was referring specifically to becoming "a violent mass murderer" esp. of Jews, and so on.

[Your reply] He never explicitly called for the extermination of the Jews.
However, he frequently spoke of the need for a “final solution to the Jewish question.”
That phrase had been used by Kaiser Wilhelm 30 years earlier, and meant the eviction of all Jews from the Reich.

Then apparently we agree. The complete destruction by mass murder of European Jewry was never specifically articulated until the secret Wannsee Protocol was signed in 1940. It was neither implicit nor explicit in Pan-Germanism, which as you point out favored forcible removal and exile instead.

Of course, that mass destruction promulgated by Wannsee also included Slavs, Romany gypsies, homosexuals of an "objectionable" sort (i.e. not the brownshirted man-grabbers of the SA general staff, nor their Hitler Youth boy-toys), and one or two other existentially-offensive groups.

20 posted on 03/27/2014 2:18:58 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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