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College athletes can unionize, federal agency says
Associated Press ^ | March 26, 2014 | Michael Tarm

Posted on 03/26/2014 12:33:35 PM PDT by AU72

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To: apillar

If enough colleges set up unions for athletes, couldn’t they form another organization, a new league, apart from the NCAA? Maybe that’s where this will go. A core group of colleges will form a league, and play only each other???


51 posted on 03/26/2014 1:13:19 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (as)
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To: AU72

What should the colleges expect? Over the past years they have destroyed rivalries by cutting up conferences to squeeze every last dime out of football. When conference chairmen go on bragging about how much money they got from the last tv deal, don’t be surprised if the players that make it possible come knocking on the door for their cut.


52 posted on 03/26/2014 1:13:39 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: socal_parrot
Fans then do a class action lawsuit against the public university over tickets not being honored.... the university loses a big judgment... THE TAXPAYERS END UP PAYING THE CLAIMS. The lawyers win....
53 posted on 03/26/2014 1:14:47 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Oliviaforever

The athletes (1) Do have a chance to get an education and college degree, possibly full ride with room, board, tuition, stipends; could be worth some big money over 4 or 5 years. (2) Get a chance for publicity based on their athletic performance, which they would not otherwise have. If they are good, pro-material, this publicity is going to be key to being recruited to the pros.

if the athletes are unionized, seems like it brings a lot of potential for problems and corruption, IMHO.


54 posted on 03/26/2014 1:19:39 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Milton Miteybad
Let's see now:
    Tax Withholding
  1. Federal income Tax 25%
  2. Illinois Income Tax. 5%
  3. FICA 6.2%
  4. Medicare 1.45%
  5. Total 37.65%
and that doesn't include union dues.
55 posted on 03/26/2014 1:19:49 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: AU72

Wait a minute, if football players can unionize, why can’t regular ole students? Can they form fan unions? Where does the democrat party money laundering scheme end?

Does this mean if the Wisconsin football team unionizes that their dues will not automatically be collected since it is a state school and Gov. Walker signed that legislation.


56 posted on 03/26/2014 1:19:55 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: discostu

Might come back, be pretty expensive however. Football pays the freight for every other sport. Even baseball does not carry itself in most colleges.


57 posted on 03/26/2014 1:20:46 PM PDT by edcoil (Not a single republican was ever a slave owner. They were all democrats.)
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To: wildbill

Do you think that companies like EA Sports should be allowed to sell video games which use individual players’ likenesses without compensating the athelete for the use of their name, image and biographical data?


58 posted on 03/26/2014 1:21:16 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: ExTxMarine

“In a stunning ruling that has the potential to revolutionize COMPLETELY KILL college athletics.....”

As far as I am concerned, “college athletics” has no place in an institution of higher learning. When I went to UC Berkeley (yeah, I know it’s a $hit hole run now by a Communist) we never had a football team that was worth spit, because academic standards at the time eliminated all the morons with size 44 coveralls and size 4 hats. But now Cal’s “athletic director” earns a million bucks a year and the school drools over TV revenue and all that ancillary crap that has attached itself to “college athletics.” Colleges and Universities should give up being the farm teams for professional sports. You can’t get a degree in football and that fact that these morons get to come to a good school, do as little as possible to stay in (with a lot of cheating most likely and “help” from the faculty) and take up space that could and should be occupied by those who are really seeking a post-secondary education.
At the end of the day, all the schools end up as analogs of Penn State. And yet the “beer bellies” will crank up here on FR and trash what I’m saying because to would take away their weekend entertainment. You know, you guys who still think “Joe Pa” was a saint and that Penn State did all that it could to stop the “shower activities” of one of their “coaches,” you know one of those guys who “builds character” in our young. Flame Away!


59 posted on 03/26/2014 1:22:43 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: wildbill

I agree with you. Will they have to be paid overtime for all of their travel/practice/game hours over 40 any weeks? Will they get certain paid holidays when they will not play under any circumstances?


60 posted on 03/26/2014 1:22:45 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: AU72

Fine. Let’s just drop all college sports.


61 posted on 03/26/2014 1:22:51 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: AU72

Wonder if this will affect how the draft works?


62 posted on 03/26/2014 1:23:33 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: NEMDF

Very few college athletes are ever able to go pro and make money off of their athletic skills. The vast majority while they do earn scholarships lose those scholarships if they are injured and can no longer play.

these player’s do not even make money when jerseys with their name are sold or when their names and pictures are used on video games.

Both Tim Tebow and Johnny Football lost out on such income opportunity due to current NCAA rules.

How would you feel if people were selling a jersey with your name or producing a video game with you image and you were paid nothing?


63 posted on 03/26/2014 1:28:22 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: edcoil

And football will STILL pay the freight for the other sports. I doubt anybody will be making millions to play college football, but they will be able to make some pocket change, which is currently against the rules.


64 posted on 03/26/2014 1:29:58 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: AU72

And the colleges have the right to cancel the football programs.

Stupid jocks.


65 posted on 03/26/2014 1:34:21 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: NEMDF

The situation couldn’t be anymore corrupt than it already is. At this point NCAA trophies are loaners, teams are constantly under investigation, wins (including championships) are constantly being vacated, not to mention down stream suspensions that effect the next generation of player because the NCAA can’t seem to finish an investigation in under 4 years. Everybody is on the take, they’re just hoping not to get noticed. If the NCAA actually ALLOWED compensation for the players half this would go away. There’s no logical reason to not allow players to sell autographed memorabilia, or get stipends, let it happen above board instead of forcing it under the table.


66 posted on 03/26/2014 1:35:30 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: AU72

Federal agency ? Yeah right


67 posted on 03/26/2014 1:36:59 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: massgopguy

Well, they already do. I’ve been close to a couple of those situations. There is a parade of people going to the house.


68 posted on 03/26/2014 1:37:01 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Vermont Lt

No big time college football program is going to cancel football.


69 posted on 03/26/2014 1:37:45 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: discostu

D1 football players receive money and a lot of other things within the rules. The things they actually are allowed to receive and do is never made public. Just the continual tear jerk stories. A few years ago a VT senior on the football team wrote a good article about it. They get a lot more than I ever thought. Since that article they get more.


70 posted on 03/26/2014 1:44:13 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: vette6387

I hope you have not mistaken me for one of those “beer bellies.” I could give a rats ass less about college sports as a spectator. If it is on, and it is a team that I like, I might or might not watch it. Typically, I am too busy doing shit to sit and watch sports in the middle of the day on a Saturday, or Sunday for that matter.

Where you and I disagree, is that I believe college athletics are good in higher education. They make for great sports trainers, they teach teamwork, they teach hard work, they instill healthy living, so to me, they have a place.

I don’t think that they need to be the beginning and end of the entire damn campus (as many are), but they have some good qualities as well.

Hell, two of my daughters are going to junior colleges which do not have ANY sports and one is going to start at Abilene Christian University next fall - sports is an after thought at that school.


71 posted on 03/26/2014 1:44:31 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: AU72

Bye bye NCAA, you deserve what you get.


72 posted on 03/26/2014 1:46:10 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Oliviaforever
How would you feel if people were selling a jersey with your name or producing a video game with you image and you were paid nothing?

You were paid with an opportunity for an education. If you don't do anything with that opportunity, why are you getting pissed that someone else made a profit off of their opportunity?
73 posted on 03/26/2014 1:48:48 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Carry me back

No they don’t receive money, NCAA doesn’t even allow athletic scholarship to include stipends. Anything they’re receiving is under the table or otherwise carefully constructed.


74 posted on 03/26/2014 1:55:46 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: vette6387
As far as I am concerned, “college athletics” has no place in an institution of higher learning.

I am with you 100% on that! Well said.

75 posted on 03/26/2014 1:58:28 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: NEMDF

Do they get overtime pay for weekend games? How about games on national holidays like Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years?


76 posted on 03/26/2014 2:07:13 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: AU72

I have a solution for these geniuses.

Tax tuition, lodging, food, books, etc., etc., at all levels, Local, State and Federal.


77 posted on 03/26/2014 2:10:18 PM PDT by BobNative
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To: AU72

If it’s union, it needs to follow all the rules. Handicapped must be given equal opportunities to play; women cannot be excluded from men’s leagues; and no matter how badly you play, you cannot be fired.


78 posted on 03/26/2014 2:21:28 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: ExTxMarine

First, 80% of the football players at D1 schools do not meet accademic standards for the schools. They are there by design to play football, not earn a degree.

Second, since they are not academically qualified, they are taking up spaces in the school that could but used by real students.


79 posted on 03/26/2014 2:23:38 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: onedoug

No, they’re predominantly white.


80 posted on 03/26/2014 2:37:46 PM PDT by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: relictele

Northwestern has a national student body. The ex-player who led this unionization thing is from Denver,CO.


81 posted on 03/26/2014 2:38:34 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Oliviaforever

But real students don’t bring in millions of dollars of revenue. The athletes aren’t taking up space, they’re funding parts of the school.


82 posted on 03/26/2014 2:40:05 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: shove_it

...and don’t forget discrimination charges for lack of playing time


83 posted on 03/26/2014 2:43:02 PM PDT by rights with responsibilities
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To: discostu

How many football programs bring big money to their schools?

The last answer I saw to that question is around 50.

The remainder lose money.


84 posted on 03/26/2014 2:46:07 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever
First, 80% of the football players at D1 schools do not meet academic standards for the schools. They are there by design to play football, not earn a degree.

First, I am not sure where you got your data, but the highest percentage that I could find was one study stated 60%. But, in fairness, only 27% of ALL college students typically graduate on time, so I could guess that at least 60% of ALL college students do not meet academic standards to be in college. But I bet that doesn't bother you.

Second, since they are not academically qualified, they are taking up spaces in the school that could be used by real students.

Second, I point you to my first answer.

Just as a side note, the fact is that only about 27% of ALL college graduates work in a field related to their college degree. So, exactly how useful would all that extra space, freed up by dumping those unqualified neanderthals, be to all those "real" students? Oh, that's right, making all those "real" students pay full tuition would allow many of those six-figure professors and deans to become seven and eight figure professors and deans. That's oh so much better than giving a neanderthal athlete the opportunity to get a degree.
85 posted on 03/26/2014 2:47:58 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Oliviaforever

Pretty much everybody in div 1:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/29/news/companies/college_football_dollars/
Especially the ones in the major conferences.


86 posted on 03/26/2014 2:53:38 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: ExTxMarine

Academic qualifications for college consists of SAT scores, ACT scores, GPA and class rank, not how long it takes to graduate or the type of job obtained after graduation.

Can you name one big time college football coach that was fired due to low graduation rates?


87 posted on 03/26/2014 2:58:18 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever
How many football programs bring big money to their schools?

It isn't just about bringing money and making a profit in the sports program.

Having those big, popular sports teams draws students who want to be apart of that atmosphere. I saw a study that stated that nearly 50% of all Div I students listed their sports teams as a reason for attending their school of choice - even those not in athletics.

You ever run a business? You have to spend money to make money and, as a whole, those colleges ARE MAKING money!
88 posted on 03/26/2014 3:01:05 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Oliviaforever

So, so long as they succeeded in high school, you could give a rat’s ass if they actually succeed in college. Good to know that you care so little for those who are spending money, they don’t have, on their hopes and dreams.

I kind of think that we should be putting those who will actually succeed in a college environment into college, not kicking out athletes because you think they are stupid and shouldn’t be in college.

Can you name one entry-level, burger flipper with a college degree that can actually make their college loan payment on their wages?


89 posted on 03/26/2014 3:04:54 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: discostu

That data is three years old.

Texas, Michigan, Ohio State make money, but smaller schools do not make money.

And the big time schools in the major conferences make money as the networks pay to broadcast a Michigan, ND or Texas game but do not pay big money to broadcast an Iowa State game.

However, Texas shares money earned with schools like Iowa State.


90 posted on 03/26/2014 3:11:07 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

The data is scattered, but all of it says that most div1 football programs, especially those in the big conferences, turn a profit. It also shows college athletics as a whole tend to turn a profit (remember they also have basketball, which not only has massive revenue but it dirt cheap to put out there).

Sorry but athletes bring money to the schools.


91 posted on 03/26/2014 3:14:24 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: discostu

“.... a system where everybody but the athletes make money on what the athletes do,”

Attending Northwestern (where this case arose) costs $50K+/year. The athletes’ scholarships wipe out that cost. Only the very best athletes (top 1%) ever go on to the pros in any sport. But their educations, if they actually pay attention to that part, stay with them for life.


92 posted on 03/26/2014 3:16:37 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: ExTxMarine

Some colleges make money off of football and those that do should survive and at least pay players for the jerseys they sell with their name.


93 posted on 03/26/2014 3:17:11 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: EDINVA

But they’re not even allowed to sell their autograph (though the school and NCAA can). And students on academic scholarships get stipends which the NCAA won’t allow.

The simple fact is they’re getting screwed. People getting screwed have an unfortunate habit of forming unions.


94 posted on 03/26/2014 3:21:44 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: married21

Tell truth, if you put more science labs and business (real business) courses and eliminated the athletics, prices for schools would go way down and there would be no new need for millions, with which to build football stadiums. Schools are supposed to be about studying, but now it’s all wrapped up in athletics.


95 posted on 03/26/2014 3:38:33 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: discostu

Those schools only make money by furniture of there being in the same conferences as Texas, Michigan, Ohio State,Florida LSU, USC, Oregon, Georgia, Alabama, etc.

Abolish the conferences and the schools are now subsidized by the big schools Will be out of the football business.


96 posted on 03/26/2014 3:39:27 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

The big programs are going to break away and start their own league, I believe.


97 posted on 03/26/2014 3:40:42 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Oliviaforever

They will be canceling every other sport.

And girls—no NCAA, no Title IX. Say good bye to women’s hockey, etc.


98 posted on 03/26/2014 3:48:13 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Oliviaforever

They make money. The whys and wherefores don’t matter. They make money, thus proving you were wrong when you said most of them don’t make money.


99 posted on 03/26/2014 3:48:15 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: dfwgator

Exactly.

That is exactly what the big programs and the TV networks want.

32 schools, big games on TV every week and no time wasted watching Alabama play South East Mississippi State School for the Left- Handed Dyslexic.


100 posted on 03/26/2014 3:54:19 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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