Skip to comments.College athletes can unionize, federal agency says
Posted on 03/26/2014 12:33:35 PM PDT by AU72
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If enough colleges set up unions for athletes, couldn’t they form another organization, a new league, apart from the NCAA? Maybe that’s where this will go. A core group of colleges will form a league, and play only each other???
What should the colleges expect? Over the past years they have destroyed rivalries by cutting up conferences to squeeze every last dime out of football. When conference chairmen go on bragging about how much money they got from the last tv deal, don’t be surprised if the players that make it possible come knocking on the door for their cut.
The athletes (1) Do have a chance to get an education and college degree, possibly full ride with room, board, tuition, stipends; could be worth some big money over 4 or 5 years. (2) Get a chance for publicity based on their athletic performance, which they would not otherwise have. If they are good, pro-material, this publicity is going to be key to being recruited to the pros.
if the athletes are unionized, seems like it brings a lot of potential for problems and corruption, IMHO.
Wait a minute, if football players can unionize, why can’t regular ole students? Can they form fan unions? Where does the democrat party money laundering scheme end?
Does this mean if the Wisconsin football team unionizes that their dues will not automatically be collected since it is a state school and Gov. Walker signed that legislation.
Might come back, be pretty expensive however. Football pays the freight for every other sport. Even baseball does not carry itself in most colleges.
Do you think that companies like EA Sports should be allowed to sell video games which use individual players’ likenesses without compensating the athelete for the use of their name, image and biographical data?
“In a stunning ruling that has the potential to revolutionize COMPLETELY KILL college athletics.....”
As far as I am concerned, “college athletics” has no place in an institution of higher learning. When I went to UC Berkeley (yeah, I know it’s a $hit hole run now by a Communist) we never had a football team that was worth spit, because academic standards at the time eliminated all the morons with size 44 coveralls and size 4 hats. But now Cal’s “athletic director” earns a million bucks a year and the school drools over TV revenue and all that ancillary crap that has attached itself to “college athletics.” Colleges and Universities should give up being the farm teams for professional sports. You can’t get a degree in football and that fact that these morons get to come to a good school, do as little as possible to stay in (with a lot of cheating most likely and “help” from the faculty) and take up space that could and should be occupied by those who are really seeking a post-secondary education.
At the end of the day, all the schools end up as analogs of Penn State. And yet the “beer bellies” will crank up here on FR and trash what I’m saying because to would take away their weekend entertainment. You know, you guys who still think “Joe Pa” was a saint and that Penn State did all that it could to stop the “shower activities” of one of their “coaches,” you know one of those guys who “builds character” in our young. Flame Away!
I agree with you. Will they have to be paid overtime for all of their travel/practice/game hours over 40 any weeks? Will they get certain paid holidays when they will not play under any circumstances?
Fine. Let’s just drop all college sports.
Wonder if this will affect how the draft works?
Very few college athletes are ever able to go pro and make money off of their athletic skills. The vast majority while they do earn scholarships lose those scholarships if they are injured and can no longer play.
these player’s do not even make money when jerseys with their name are sold or when their names and pictures are used on video games.
Both Tim Tebow and Johnny Football lost out on such income opportunity due to current NCAA rules.
How would you feel if people were selling a jersey with your name or producing a video game with you image and you were paid nothing?
And football will STILL pay the freight for the other sports. I doubt anybody will be making millions to play college football, but they will be able to make some pocket change, which is currently against the rules.
And the colleges have the right to cancel the football programs.
The situation couldn’t be anymore corrupt than it already is. At this point NCAA trophies are loaners, teams are constantly under investigation, wins (including championships) are constantly being vacated, not to mention down stream suspensions that effect the next generation of player because the NCAA can’t seem to finish an investigation in under 4 years. Everybody is on the take, they’re just hoping not to get noticed. If the NCAA actually ALLOWED compensation for the players half this would go away. There’s no logical reason to not allow players to sell autographed memorabilia, or get stipends, let it happen above board instead of forcing it under the table.
Federal agency ? Yeah right
Well, they already do. I’ve been close to a couple of those situations. There is a parade of people going to the house.
No big time college football program is going to cancel football.
D1 football players receive money and a lot of other things within the rules. The things they actually are allowed to receive and do is never made public. Just the continual tear jerk stories. A few years ago a VT senior on the football team wrote a good article about it. They get a lot more than I ever thought. Since that article they get more.
I hope you have not mistaken me for one of those “beer bellies.” I could give a rats ass less about college sports as a spectator. If it is on, and it is a team that I like, I might or might not watch it. Typically, I am too busy doing shit to sit and watch sports in the middle of the day on a Saturday, or Sunday for that matter.
Where you and I disagree, is that I believe college athletics are good in higher education. They make for great sports trainers, they teach teamwork, they teach hard work, they instill healthy living, so to me, they have a place.
I don’t think that they need to be the beginning and end of the entire damn campus (as many are), but they have some good qualities as well.
Hell, two of my daughters are going to junior colleges which do not have ANY sports and one is going to start at Abilene Christian University next fall - sports is an after thought at that school.
Bye bye NCAA, you deserve what you get.
No they don’t receive money, NCAA doesn’t even allow athletic scholarship to include stipends. Anything they’re receiving is under the table or otherwise carefully constructed.
I am with you 100% on that! Well said.
Do they get overtime pay for weekend games? How about games on national holidays like Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years?
I have a solution for these geniuses.
Tax tuition, lodging, food, books, etc., etc., at all levels, Local, State and Federal.
If it’s union, it needs to follow all the rules. Handicapped must be given equal opportunities to play; women cannot be excluded from men’s leagues; and no matter how badly you play, you cannot be fired.
First, 80% of the football players at D1 schools do not meet accademic standards for the schools. They are there by design to play football, not earn a degree.
Second, since they are not academically qualified, they are taking up spaces in the school that could but used by real students.
No, they’re predominantly white.
Northwestern has a national student body. The ex-player who led this unionization thing is from Denver,CO.
But real students don’t bring in millions of dollars of revenue. The athletes aren’t taking up space, they’re funding parts of the school.
...and don’t forget discrimination charges for lack of playing time
How many football programs bring big money to their schools?
The last answer I saw to that question is around 50.
The remainder lose money.
Pretty much everybody in div 1:
Especially the ones in the major conferences.
Academic qualifications for college consists of SAT scores, ACT scores, GPA and class rank, not how long it takes to graduate or the type of job obtained after graduation.
Can you name one big time college football coach that was fired due to low graduation rates?
So, so long as they succeeded in high school, you could give a rat’s ass if they actually succeed in college. Good to know that you care so little for those who are spending money, they don’t have, on their hopes and dreams.
I kind of think that we should be putting those who will actually succeed in a college environment into college, not kicking out athletes because you think they are stupid and shouldn’t be in college.
Can you name one entry-level, burger flipper with a college degree that can actually make their college loan payment on their wages?
That data is three years old.
Texas, Michigan, Ohio State make money, but smaller schools do not make money.
And the big time schools in the major conferences make money as the networks pay to broadcast a Michigan, ND or Texas game but do not pay big money to broadcast an Iowa State game.
However, Texas shares money earned with schools like Iowa State.
The data is scattered, but all of it says that most div1 football programs, especially those in the big conferences, turn a profit. It also shows college athletics as a whole tend to turn a profit (remember they also have basketball, which not only has massive revenue but it dirt cheap to put out there).
Sorry but athletes bring money to the schools.
“.... a system where everybody but the athletes make money on what the athletes do,”
Attending Northwestern (where this case arose) costs $50K+/year. The athletes’ scholarships wipe out that cost. Only the very best athletes (top 1%) ever go on to the pros in any sport. But their educations, if they actually pay attention to that part, stay with them for life.
Some colleges make money off of football and those that do should survive and at least pay players for the jerseys they sell with their name.
But they’re not even allowed to sell their autograph (though the school and NCAA can). And students on academic scholarships get stipends which the NCAA won’t allow.
The simple fact is they’re getting screwed. People getting screwed have an unfortunate habit of forming unions.
Tell truth, if you put more science labs and business (real business) courses and eliminated the athletics, prices for schools would go way down and there would be no new need for millions, with which to build football stadiums. Schools are supposed to be about studying, but now it’s all wrapped up in athletics.
Those schools only make money by furniture of there being in the same conferences as Texas, Michigan, Ohio State,Florida LSU, USC, Oregon, Georgia, Alabama, etc.
Abolish the conferences and the schools are now subsidized by the big schools Will be out of the football business.
The big programs are going to break away and start their own league, I believe.
They will be canceling every other sport.
And girls—no NCAA, no Title IX. Say good bye to women’s hockey, etc.
They make money. The whys and wherefores don’t matter. They make money, thus proving you were wrong when you said most of them don’t make money.
That is exactly what the big programs and the TV networks want.
32 schools, big games on TV every week and no time wasted watching Alabama play South East Mississippi State School for the Left- Handed Dyslexic.