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Navy: Sailor in Norfolk base shooting died protecting [female] colleague
AP, via Stars & Stripes ^ | March 26, 2014 | Brock Vergakis and Michael Felberbaum

Posted on 03/26/2014 5:43:12 PM PDT by Timber Rattler

The sailor who was slain during a shootout aboard a guided-missile destroyer at a Virginia base saved another sailor's life by jumping between her and a civilian gunman who was trying to board the ship, Navy officials said Wednesday.

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He parked his tractor-trailer cab near Pier 1, was able to walk onto the pier and began heading up a ramp toward the USS Mahan when he was confronted by Navy security, said Mario Palomino, the Naval Criminal Investigative Service special agent in charge of the Norfolk field office.

The man then got into an altercation with a female petty officer and disarmed her, Navy officials said. Palomino said Mayo stepped over the disarmed officer and fired his weapon at the assailant. He was serving on watch for the installation that night and came to help once he saw the civilian board the ship.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: brockvergakisl; michaelfelberbaum; militarywomen; murder; navy; norfolk; sailors; usnavy; ussmahan; virginia; women
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Lots of more questions than answered here, and yet another good case against letting women serve aboard ships.
1 posted on 03/26/2014 5:43:12 PM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

I guess the Navy response will be to bar Watch’s from carrying ammo ...


2 posted on 03/26/2014 5:47:23 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Decrimminalize Tax Evasion)
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To: Timber Rattler

In fairness, you would think that sailors other than SEALs wouldn’t need to be skilled at hand to hand combat.


3 posted on 03/26/2014 5:49:11 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: 11th_VA
And THIS guy is the current commanding officer of the Norfolk Navy Base?

He seems rather...plump.


4 posted on 03/26/2014 5:49:59 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler
The man then got into an altercation with a female petty officer and disarmed her, Navy officials said. Palomino said Mayo stepped over the disarmed officer and fired his weapon at the assailant. He was serving on watch for the installation that night and came to help once he saw the civilian board the ship.

I hate to point this out, but I suspect the female security officer did not have the body mass to take on the male truck driver which is why she got disarmed. I would also suspect she was unprepared to fire her weapon into the "suspect" despite the warnings that deadly force is authorized.

We appear to have another victim of political correctness.

5 posted on 03/26/2014 5:51:13 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Strength counts...it was only a matter of time. When you have to post guards who may get into a physical altercation you need to post the biggest, burliest, “baddest” dudes you have available! “Bumma” wouldn’t understand that!


6 posted on 03/26/2014 5:53:23 PM PDT by WellyP (question!)
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To: Timber Rattler

He passed his Body fat test because of his ‘neck size’ ... LOL !!!


7 posted on 03/26/2014 5:54:01 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Decrimminalize Tax Evasion)
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To: Timber Rattler
If this is true, and I can't think of any reason why not, then a bunch of us jumped to a certain conclusion yesterday about the circumstances involving two male sailors. Myself included.

Not saying I've changed any opinions about who ought to serve on Navy ships. Just saying my bad in this case.

Next time I'll wait for more information.

8 posted on 03/26/2014 5:54:43 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Timber Rattler

It does appear that “life is good” in Norfolk!


9 posted on 03/26/2014 5:55:50 PM PDT by TaMoDee (Go Pack Go! The Pack will be back in 2014!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Has the female petty officer been discharged from the Navy yet? She is obviously unfit for duty, let alone guilty of negligent homicide.


10 posted on 03/26/2014 5:55:55 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Timber Rattler

And we’re assured women are fully capable of serving as Army and Marine combat infantrymen. Riiiiight.


11 posted on 03/26/2014 5:56:53 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: OKSooner

Bless you. You’re the only one who’s acknowledged the gay talk yesterday.


12 posted on 03/26/2014 5:58:37 PM PDT by stellaluna
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To: Timber Rattler
Lots of more questions than answered here, and yet another good case against letting women serve aboard ships.

Ban them from the military altogether?

13 posted on 03/26/2014 6:00:17 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Timber Rattler
nope, not gonna say it... feh
14 posted on 03/26/2014 6:01:54 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

I don’t know what training after boot camps minimal hand to hand is taught in the fleet but I was Navy Seabees and we trained whenever we were home ported. When we were deployed there was always opportunities to study martial arts such as judo. We also had boxing smokers that any level of proficiency could participate. I don’t recall us being any more bad ass than other groups.


15 posted on 03/26/2014 6:15:21 PM PDT by spudville
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
I hate to point this out, but I suspect the female security officer did not have the body mass to take on the male truck driver which is why she got disarmed. I would also suspect she was unprepared to fire her weapon into the "suspect" despite the warnings that deadly force is authorized.

I agree, the trucker should never have gotten close enough to touch her, he should have been in the hospital or morgue before that could happen. If the person isn't willing to pull the trigger they shouldn't be issued a weapon, or be put in a situation where they would have to. To paraphrase " A persons got know their limitations".

16 posted on 03/26/2014 6:36:22 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Timber Rattler
Petty Officer 2nd Class Mark A. Mayo, 24. Hero
(Or killed during a workplace violence event?) Salute!
17 posted on 03/26/2014 6:46:12 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: outofsalt

Hand salute, sailor! God bless you.


18 posted on 03/26/2014 6:48:35 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Timber Rattler

I wouldn’t screw with anybody with a neck that big, especially when he doesn’t have a belly to match.


19 posted on 03/26/2014 6:53:55 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: outofsalt

God bless PO2 Mark Mayo and his family.


20 posted on 03/26/2014 6:55:29 PM PDT by Broker (Shalom y'all)
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To: PLMerite

That Navy Captain is one ugly tough dude. He could clean out a bar.


21 posted on 03/26/2014 6:57:54 PM PDT by Broker (PO2 Mayo thank you)
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To: Timber Rattler
"Stand by to repel boarders!"

Well done, sailor!

Rest in Peace.

22 posted on 03/26/2014 6:58:49 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: Timber Rattler; All
‘Lots of more questions than answered here,’
Yes, I suspect PO@ Mayo is responsible for saving a number of lives by his self sacrifice. If this individual had gotten on board the Mahan with a weapon a number of naval personal would have been shooting victims. This whole incident is disturbing.
23 posted on 03/26/2014 7:00:27 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: stellaluna

Thank you and bless you back. Your kind words are appreciated.


24 posted on 03/26/2014 7:05:14 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Timber Rattler

Rules of engagement , US forces can not fire on the enemy unless fired on first ,only then they can return fire.


25 posted on 03/26/2014 7:09:05 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: CivilWarBrewing

“Has the female petty officer been discharged from the Navy yet? She is obviously unfit for duty, let alone guilty of negligent homicide.”

Nowhere did I find basis for your assumption and judgement. People cross the quarterdeck 24 hours a day dressed in “Civies”. Military personnel do so with ID Card in hand and are subject to search at all times. The female Petty Officer did her job and the perp attacked her, probably when she asked who business was with and for ID. I have NEVER crossed a quarterdeck maned by fewer than two on duty at the post. Quite often there is an officer present as well. Also, unless a Security Violation has been called away, hand guns are holstered. She was attacked by surprise. The perp was apparently non-threatening until that point.


26 posted on 03/26/2014 7:11:59 PM PDT by Birdsbane ("Onward through the fog!" ... Oat Willie)
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To: Timber Rattler
God Bless Petty Officer 2nd Class Mark A. Mayo and our prayers are with his loved ones. No greater love ...
27 posted on 03/26/2014 7:21:24 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: WellyP

yes sir, Mayo was killed because he took the bastard on by himself............if another big strong male had been there to help, most likely this would not have happened.

it is silly to expect some silly girl to protect a billion dollar warship!

How many times will this have to happen before the Navy get’s it and tells higher authority civilians to FO..........

I’ve boarded Navy ships a thousand times and it was always, always a serious matter with armed male personnel there not taking any bs off anybody!


28 posted on 03/26/2014 7:25:50 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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“Rules of engagement , US forces can not fire on the enemy unless fired on first ,only then they can return fire.”

Yup. If she shot the attacker she’d be charged. Thanks to all our “leaders” owned by the UN.


29 posted on 03/26/2014 7:28:08 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: 11th_VA
I guess the Navy response will be to bar Watch’s from carrying ammo ...

Seen it happen in the Army. FU Jimmy Carter.

5.56mm

30 posted on 03/26/2014 7:29:01 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Timber Rattler
Rest in Peace, Sir.
You are a true hero.
31 posted on 03/26/2014 7:42:56 PM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: 11th_VA

One of my boys is a Navy Commander. He is also a body builder. Not an once of fat on him, but weight/height don’t jive, so out comes the tape measure. Passes every time.


32 posted on 03/26/2014 7:44:17 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

Would you feel better if it was a male petty officer who was disarmed?


33 posted on 03/26/2014 7:46:49 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: 11th_VA

It works!


34 posted on 03/26/2014 7:47:12 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: OKSooner
Yes thank you for being honest about your misjudgment.
35 posted on 03/26/2014 7:51:40 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Birdsbane

...........The female Petty Officer did her job and the perp attacked her, probably when she asked who business was with and for ID. I have NEVER crossed a quarterdeck maned by fewer than two on duty at the post. Quite often there is an officer present as well. Also, unless a Security Violation has been called away, hand guns are holstered. She was attacked by surprise. The perp was apparently non-threatening until that point.

LOL, “nowhere do I find basis for your assumption and judgment”. What the hell does “People cross the quarterdeck 24 hours a day dressed in Civies” have to do with anything? This little girl, according to the article was ARMED! She was not carrying a toy, she was carrying a gun AND FOR A PURPOSE! The perp then took the gun away from her! Most likely that would not have happened if a big strong guy had been there and not a young scared girl. So, arguably PC got Mayo killed!

No, the female Petty Officer apparently, from what we read now, did not do her job! She allowed this guy to take her weapon away from her. So, she failed to do her job on that important and factual point. Having stood many a Navy guard post all over the world, I guarantee you your told a million times to NOT let this weapon be taken away from you!!!!

Then, you say “she was attacked by surprise”............uh, duuh............that’s the point! She failed again! She was guarding a billion dollar warship and should not have been surprised. Then you say her gun was holstered! Again, you make our point! A strong guy would have pushed off and in 1-2 seconds drawn his weapon and maybe shot the perp and saved Mayo’s life and protected the taxpayers warship. Your gal, most likely a typically weak (arm strength) female let the guy take it away from her and kill her fellow shipmate Mayo.

I’m sorry. I don’t often get this animated about anything. But, this young girl OBJECTIVELY failed her duty that night in the most egregious ways there are. Namely, her actions led directly to another sailor getting killed.

Notwithstanding any of the foregoing, there are no doubt some officers and non coms that are at fault at least partially as well and given a good kid lost his life in this incident where there is significant fault those people should walk the plank.


36 posted on 03/26/2014 7:55:33 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Timber Rattler

God bless you Mark Mayo. May you rest in peace, hero.


37 posted on 03/26/2014 7:58:33 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: outofsalt
Petty Officer 2nd Class Mark A. Mayo, 24. Hero!

Stand up guy for sure.

Threatened? Attack!

38 posted on 03/26/2014 8:20:01 PM PDT by theneanderthal
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

Perhaps. All actions start in the mind and the dead PO may have been back on her heels and unwilling to shoot because of the same said PC BS.


39 posted on 03/26/2014 8:21:41 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: outofsalt

God Bless him. May the Lord comfort his family.


40 posted on 03/26/2014 8:22:51 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

My mistake, I meant the surviving female PO.


41 posted on 03/26/2014 8:25:03 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: outofsalt; ConorMacNessa

Indeed. Hero bump!


42 posted on 03/26/2014 8:25:43 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: outofsalt

I hope his family finds comfort that he did his duty and much more...That others may live.


43 posted on 03/26/2014 8:33:05 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Timber Rattler
I reckon they'll start check for manifest forms and a trailer check. NOB Norfolk has a large supply depot near Pier 1 thus high truck traffic. Still it would not be that difficult to have an appointment delivery. Many companies work this way in trucking.

Ship security wise? Not so many years ago the only ships at NOB that had armed guard at the Quarterdeck was the subs in the Pier 1 area. The carriers and LPH had MARDET or Marine Detachment full time onboard to respond to security issues. Yes they were armed. I'm talking about what was Cold War posture. The main gate was manned by USMC and their was a pier watch. During the Iranian Hostage Crisis the ships began posting pier guards.

As for weapons training? generally the Navy doesn't have this in basic training. You might have a couple hours with a .22 and that's it. The Navy does have ratings which are trained in security and firearms. This includes Master At Arms made a rate back about 1980 and Gunner Mates. Also some specific officers or enlisted handling having duty involving handling money or sensitive material may be firearm qualified. The Navy did not discourage firearm qualification it's just that in most ratings it wasn't needed. Submarine duty is another exception where you'll see firearm training.

As budget cuts came about and the nuclear arms treaties were put in place some of the security was lessened even to at pre-9/11 where people were basically walking on bases with no ID. In The Cold War you had to have ID or you waited at the gate until someone from your ship showed up to vouch for you and sign you in or if it was a non service visitor such as family with ID or prior clearance they had to be escorted on base by relative in dress uniform of the day. No one non Navy got onboard without a uniformed escort the exception being civilian Tech Reps who had proper DOD ID.

This sounds like the perp was looking for the first opportunity to do some carnage. The classic 15 minutes of fame even though the person would not live to see it. The piers and base does need to be secure. Used to it was Marines working the gates and civilian police force aka base security in vehicle patrols. Security needs to be turned over to in house. It's a Navy Base and USMC are the ones most capable and qualified in securing it if allowed the authority and leeway needed to do so.

Any unauthorized boarding attempt after the shout of Halt should be met with use of deadly force. Some may say it's too extreme. Well this old boy has had many a M-16 pointed at me by MARDET usually at lunch or supper time which was the MARDTS's CO's favorite time to hold a drill. Anyone including sailors who attempted unauthorized entry into security areas without permission and proper authorization would have been made a pin cushion. Thus no one tested them just to see.

44 posted on 03/26/2014 8:36:54 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Timber Rattler.


45 posted on 03/26/2014 8:52:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: Timber Rattler

It’s just his head and his neck.


46 posted on 03/26/2014 8:57:13 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Timber Rattler for this update.


47 posted on 03/26/2014 9:12:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: Timber Rattler

This naval Captain (Same as Bird Colonel in the other branches) sure does not have many service ribbons to show for his effort! Must be a desk job swabbie!


48 posted on 03/26/2014 9:23:12 PM PDT by longhorn too
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To: Timber Rattler; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; ...

Active Duty ping.


49 posted on 03/26/2014 9:24:13 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: outofsalt

There is nothing so sacred as to lay down your life for another!


50 posted on 03/26/2014 9:24:55 PM PDT by longhorn too
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