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The Dangers of a Cuban Collapse ... Is Obama ready?
Politico ^ | 26 March 2014 | Daniel Serwer

Posted on 03/26/2014 7:53:34 PM PDT by Lorianne

Cuba’s 1950s cars and Havana’s crumbling facades have long been its iconic symbols in the American imagination. They don’t disappoint, as I discovered on a trip to Cuba last week. But I didn’t expect zippy Hyundais with Miami FM on their radios or a private collection of contemporary Cuban art, installed floor to 20-foot ceiling in a fabulous apartment with a terrace overlooking the Gulf of Mexico. Both the apartment and the art would put many wealthy New Yorkers to shame.

Cubans remain poor. It would be no fun to live on the $15-35 per month that is paid to most government employees. Even with subsidized (and rationed) staples as well as free rent, health care and education, many neighborhoods of Havana are decrepit. Balconies fall off apartment buildings. Whole buildings collapse into the street. People wait in long lines to collect remittances at Western Union, whose window has a faded poster of Fidel and Raul Castro declaring, “The Revolution, thriving and victorious, is moving ahead.” The woman in line wearing American flag tights—stripes on one leg, stars on the other—is no doubt in the revolutionary vanguard. Cuba depends for hard currency on remittances from the United States and Europe, as well as payments and subsidies estimated at $9.4 billion per year from Venezuela. Caracas is not in a position to continue that much longer, raising the specter of economic collapse and a massive outflow of people that could present the United States with an unexpected foreign policy crisis on its own doorstep.

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1 posted on 03/26/2014 7:53:34 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Politico, putting the smiley face on Marxism and it’s inevitable results.

Free, free, till nothing matters and everyone is poor but the military.

Obama wants it here, just like Politico


2 posted on 03/26/2014 7:56:28 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Lorianne

Is Obama ready to do what? Send in troops to shore up the Castro regime?


3 posted on 03/26/2014 7:58:00 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Lorianne
“The Revolution, thriving and victorious, is moving ahead.”

"Moving ahead" to what? Them commies always force you to imagine "moving forward" yourself, as if just the act of moving itself is proof that the Revolution has succeeded.

Give me a freeping break.

4 posted on 03/26/2014 7:59:23 PM PDT by Slyfox (When Jesus sees a momma holding her little baby, it reminds him of his own momma.)
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To: All

that’s not the story Michael moore told us.


5 posted on 03/26/2014 8:00:33 PM PDT by willywill
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To: Viennacon

Spending our money to save his Marxist pals.


6 posted on 03/26/2014 8:00:48 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Lorianne

Another “red line” please.


7 posted on 03/26/2014 8:02:27 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: BenLurkin

He’ll be shipping in the new ‘rainbow’ division to sexually assault the children of any dissenters in Cuba.


8 posted on 03/26/2014 8:02:47 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Lorianne

Is politico “ready” to an objective news source? Sorry I asked.


9 posted on 03/26/2014 8:04:57 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: Lorianne

Quick, Barry, borrow billions more from China so we can
prop-up the Cubanists. No time to waste.


10 posted on 03/26/2014 8:06:52 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: Viennacon

Let President Cruz call for revolution as his first act. The Castro brothers are not entitled to the dignity of a natural death. Think Mussolini, Ceauchescu, Kadaffy. Arafat? lol.


11 posted on 03/26/2014 8:08:14 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Lorianne

Civil War in Venezuela

Add this to the growing list of things that are not 0bama’s fault:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/


12 posted on 03/26/2014 8:08:53 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: Fungi

If the Castros are treated any better than Nicolae and Elena ceausescu it would be a shame!


13 posted on 03/26/2014 8:08:54 PM PDT by WellyP (question!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Agree!


14 posted on 03/26/2014 8:10:09 PM PDT by WellyP (question!)
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To: Lorianne

Would fleeing Cubans to this nation be as Republican as the 1960s refugees or Democrats in waiting?


15 posted on 03/26/2014 8:11:57 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: DIRTYSECRET

“The Castro brothers are not entitled to the dignity of a natural death”

Just to be clear... are you talking about the old mass murdering fleabags in Cuba... or the two La Raza-Soros saboteurs from Texas?


16 posted on 03/26/2014 8:15:42 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Lorianne

i bet putin is ready.


17 posted on 03/26/2014 8:16:01 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Lorianne

Make Cuba a County of Fla. and give the peeps EBTs.


18 posted on 03/26/2014 8:17:48 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: tbw2

Excellent point. The East Germans became “social Democrats”. The Cubans with drive and guts already left. Today’s Cubans will no doubt become “give me the benefits” Democrats.


19 posted on 03/26/2014 8:17:58 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Slyfox

“Moving ahead” reminds me of a phrase Al Gore often used “we are moving forward”. It is code for the forced march towards socialism and communism


20 posted on 03/26/2014 8:18:44 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Viennacon
Just to be clear... are you talking about the old mass murdering fleabags in Cuba... or the two La Raza-Soros saboteurs from Texas?

Yes.

21 posted on 03/26/2014 8:19:51 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Lorianne

“Cuba’s 1950s cars”
Zero can unload a lot of exploding Chevy Volts @ $10.00 a month.
The last GM coup was selling ‘Novas’ (”won’t go”) to lateenos.


22 posted on 03/26/2014 8:20:53 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: dfwgator

Correct answer!


23 posted on 03/26/2014 8:20:55 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

It isn’t Obama’s fault. Obama had nothing to do with encouraging our energy independence which has resulting in less imports of the heavy crude Venezuela is known for.


24 posted on 03/26/2014 8:29:58 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Lorianne
Is Obama ready?

Has he finally located the mysterious 58th state?


25 posted on 03/26/2014 8:38:22 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: Lorianne

Obama could make efforts to bring Cuba into a better relationship, but instead Putin will come in and prop them up, building Russian bases in Cuba.


26 posted on 03/26/2014 8:39:34 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Lorianne

If Cuba fails, it’s only going to affect the locals. Like Putin and the Crimea - it’s just local according to dear reader.


27 posted on 03/26/2014 8:44:21 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Lorianne

The cuban people I’ve met in the free world are, in general, industrious and joyful people who are very family-oriented. I think they would come out of a regime fall on the bright side of the street pretty quickly. It’s not surprising the reporter didn’t hear much enthusiasm displayed by the man-on-the-street for political topics - people still tend to disappear for saying the wrong thing to strangers.


28 posted on 03/26/2014 8:46:28 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: Secret Agent Man

Ready? Hell, he is probably instigating this. Another major oil producer in chaos will allow him to drive up prices even further bringing the EUnuchs in line if they go against his coming invasion of Europe.


29 posted on 03/26/2014 8:50:28 PM PDT by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Ted Cruz 2016)
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To: Lorianne

Cuba exports cigars don’t they?


30 posted on 03/26/2014 8:52:01 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: tbw2
Would fleeing Cubans to this nation be as Republican as the 1960s refugees or Democrats in waiting?

After 60 years of expecting government to tell you what to do while relying on that same government just to eat every day, I doubt many Cubans would have a clue how to survive on their own.

That is the biggest sin of Communism. It destroys individual initiative. We see it even here with the children of LBJs Great Society.

31 posted on 03/26/2014 8:59:38 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto; tbw2
After 60 years of expecting government to tell you what to do while relying on that same government just to eat every day, I doubt many Cubans would have a clue how to survive on their own.

Nonetheless, some of the most ardent freedom-loving people in the US are emigre's from the Eastern European bloc and refugees from the Soviet Union.

They are the ones who, more than anybody, have questioned what we're doing to ourselves in the Obama Era.

32 posted on 03/26/2014 9:07:21 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

We have our own Castro problem here in TX, in San Antonio.

Our Alamo City has been taken over by prog commies.


33 posted on 03/26/2014 9:07:44 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: plain talk
Like the "Great Leap Forward."

And Saul Alinsky dedicates his influential writing to Lucifer.

And Hillary and Obama lap it up and try to make us swallow it.

And we are supposed to get in line and just mindlessly follow them by moving forward all the way into hell.

34 posted on 03/26/2014 9:14:32 PM PDT by Slyfox (When Jesus sees a momma holding her little baby, it reminds him of his own momma.)
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To: Ditto
Exactly. They'd probably rebel against freedom and capitalism and vote different socialist pricks back into office if the Castro brothers are gone.

Look at NK...the people there are completely brainwashed.

35 posted on 03/26/2014 9:19:05 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (15 years of FReeping! Congratulations EEE!!)
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To: okie01
Nonetheless, some of the most ardent freedom-loving people in the US are emigre's from the Eastern European bloc and refugees from the Soviet Union.

The "Refugees" from those hell holes, those who did all they could the get away from those dictatorships, I'll agree with. I know many of them.

But those who just sat there and took it for their entire lives, that's a different story. They expect some 'authority' to dictate their lives. They do not understand any other way, and do not comprehend that they can do it on their own.

As another poster said above, look at East Germany as an example.

36 posted on 03/26/2014 9:22:38 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto
And a Free Cuba will yield both types, just as a Solidarnosc Poland.
37 posted on 03/26/2014 9:33:46 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
And a Free Cuba will yield both types...

Which type will be the majority?

All will enjoy the freedom, but what percentage will embrace the responsibility that comes with freedom?

What percent of Americans even embrace that responsibility today?

38 posted on 03/26/2014 9:46:50 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto
Which type will be the majority?

I've no idea.

I'm not arguing with you. We seem to agree that both types will be present...for the reasons we've both outlined.

The exact proportion is anybody's guess.

39 posted on 03/26/2014 9:58:34 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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