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Military Cuts Render NATO Less Formidable as Deterrent to Russia
NYT ^ | March 26, 2014 | By HELENE COOPER and STEVEN ERLANGER

Posted on 03/26/2014 10:02:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

WASHINGTON — President Obama and European leaders pledged Wednesday to bolster the NATO alliance and vowed that Russia would not be allowed to run roughshod over its neighbors. But the military reality on the ground in Europe tells a different story.

The United States, by far the most powerful NATO member, has drastically cut back its European forces from a decade ago. European countries, which have always lagged far behind the United States in military might, have struggled and largely failed to come up with additional military spending at a time of economic anemia and budget cuts.

During the height of the Cold War, United States troops in Europe numbered around 400,000, a combat-ready force designed to quickly deploy and defend Western Europe — particularly what was then West Germany — against a potential Soviet advance.

Today there are about 67,000 American troops in Europe, including 40,000 in Germany, with the rest scattered mostly in Italy and Britain. The Air Force has some 130 fighter jets, 12 refueling planes and 30 cargo aircraft. At the end of the Cold War in the early 1990s, it had 800 aircraft in Europe.

The United States Navy, meanwhile, has dropped to 7,000 sailors and Marines, down from the 40,000 sailors who were stationed at nine major Navy bases during the height of the Cold War. Today, there are no American aircraft carrier groups based in the Mediterranean, although the Navy does have one destroyer deployed at Cádiz, Spain.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: nato; obama; putin; russia; ukraine
Mr. Obama and his peace activists (cheese eating surrender monkeys) have created a fine kettle of fish.

Anyone long for "Peace through strength?"

1 posted on 03/26/2014 10:02:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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Anyone long for "Peace through strength?"

It is only leftists and pollyannas who believe, sincerely, that peace may be achieved through weakness and appeasement. After all (they reason), there really is no bad behavior; there are merely misunderstandings, which people of goodwill should be able to work through...

2 posted on 03/26/2014 10:11:02 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Jim Robinson

Perception is often reality.


3 posted on 03/26/2014 10:11:57 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Jim Robinson

“the Navy does have one destroyer deployed at Cádiz, Spain.”

Obama and the twenty first century. The Russians could get a hernia laughing. We have devalued our strategic weapons at the same time. Our military is geared to fighting 7th century fanatics and then not given the ROE to do even that.


4 posted on 03/26/2014 10:13:57 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Jim Robinson

Don’t worry, the obamanation will draw a red line on his dry erase board if the situation gets tense.

If they persist, he will call them racist and send his soiled panties.


5 posted on 03/26/2014 10:14:07 PM PDT by bobo1 (progressives=commies/fascists)
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To: Jim Robinson; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty ping.


6 posted on 03/26/2014 10:14:45 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jim Robinson
Am a firm believer in Peace through strength
I may get flamed but I also believe we could hold our own if it came down to a fight with any nation, anywhere. I do agree there is a problem. Maybe, Lord Willing, America can make three more years till obama and his minions are gone and maybe the Lord will not Will It To Be. Should America make it three more years and there is not one named hillary in the White House am sensing there is a chance for America to once more be the Shining City on the Hill. I pray I'm not wrong.

I do not care about me for I shall be dead and gone soon enough. I do care about my children, my grandchildren and the generations currently here and the generations that shall (hopefully) come after. obama has made this world a much more dangerous place and of this there is no doubt or shouldn't be. If obama is prevented, by God, from finishing America, I hold no hope America could survive the 'what difference does it make' hillary. Once more, I'll pray I'm wrong.

7 posted on 03/26/2014 10:32:05 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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“Military Cuts Render NATO Less Formidable as Deterrent to Russia”

All I can says is:

DUH! Ya’ think??


8 posted on 03/26/2014 10:37:21 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: no-to-illegals

“we could hold our own if it came down to a fight with any nation, anywhere”

True, but that requires the actual willingness to do so.


9 posted on 03/26/2014 10:38:49 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, folks can say whatever they like, but some folks are about to find out why it was important for the U. S. to project large overseas.

At the end of the day, attacks on Europe affect us too.

We’re seeing the same stand-offish approach that led into WWII. Then we had to come from behind to make up a very big deficit.

Only time will tell if we’re about to see a repeat.


10 posted on 03/26/2014 10:40:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: tcrlaf
True ... and I have not lost faith in our People of our Military. Sometimes bad things happen and bad things have been happening. obama was elected twice and obama is doing everything he can to destroy America, Americans and America's Military and to top it all off hillary is waiting in the wings with a compliant media ready to announce her the winner, no matter the actual votes. People have not learned that the media loves blood because blood gives the media viewership(s). Bad things happen when leaders lie and the media supports the liars. Yes, America is there and there may not be a willingness of Americans to fight to keep this land. I can only pray that the willingness to fight to keep this land continues to exist but know that only time will give up that answer or God or Americans. There is a minor problem though and that problem is a possible fight amongst ourselves. That would open the door should that happen and the politicians are well aware of this fact.
11 posted on 03/26/2014 10:54:37 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Jim Robinson

The other part of the story is Russia has massively rebuilt, reequipped and retrained its Armed Forces since the Soviet collapse. This is a modern, lean and highly professional war machine. The Russians have spent lots of money to make their armed forces capable of fulfilling the tasks set before them and they have learned from their mistakes. This is not the Soviet Army with mediocre equipment, poor training and a reliance on brute force. This is an army capable of sophisticated maneuvers, with highly trained specialist soldiers who can achieve their goals with a minimum of casualties. This is the true meaning of hard power and for Russia’s leaders, the lessons of the German attack in 1941 are clear. A strong Russia cannot be maintained without a robust military capable of defending the country and projecting Russian power in the near abroad. For Russian leaders, everything else is of purely secondary importance. And the the payoff has been spectacularly impressive.


12 posted on 03/26/2014 11:10:48 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: no-to-illegals

No one wants another war in Europe, and I mean no one. But Putin is not going to walk away from this either. Any serious sanctions would hurt Europe as much as Russia, so doubt there will be any. Things will get hot and heavy for awhile, but there will be some back channel talks going on (without Obama). Cooler heads will prevail and an agreement will eventually be drawn up finalizing Russia’s claims on Crimea and the land bridge they need through Ukraine (and maybe more). The military bases, pipelines and oil contracts will be secured. The oil will continue to flow, but the dollar may not. NATO will be severely weakened as America’s influence wanes and the old Russian territories fall under its protection. America becomes isolated. Obama’s many failures will cause the democrats to suffer huge losses in 2014 and 2016 and America begins the rebuilding process under new (adult) management.


13 posted on 03/26/2014 11:21:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I do not doubt you, at all. Only one little problem ... I hope there are enough live ones voting for the adults to take over the reigns of power in 2014 and 2016 and hold that power for all time and that the dead that are voting will not outnumber the living ever again. God certainly has been good to this Nation and maybe once more God will have mercy on us. Don’t know about you Jim but know that sooner or later (probably sooner) I’m going on to be with hopefully the Lord or that other character. Jim, you will probably live forever. I’ll go in singing the Lord’s praises anyhow but know I will have failed to measure up to our Lord’s standards if the Lord says not here son and am sent on my way. Anyways Jim, if you outlive me, and am certain you will, will you make sure my dead body isn’t voting democrat, please? That would kill me twice.


14 posted on 03/26/2014 11:34:06 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Had I known I was gonna live so long, I’d a taken better care of my teeth. —John Wayne

Hopefully we get a handle on our justice department so we can secure our elections systems.


15 posted on 03/26/2014 11:51:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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Once I’m dead and gone, please, check the records to make certain I have not reregistered as a democrat and am voting that way. I would consider it a favor, for no telling how I’ll vote once dead ... well, I think once dead, am certain I’ll be voting democrat thus please dig me up and kill me again if I vote democrat, please.


16 posted on 03/26/2014 11:56:37 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Jim Robinson
Sen. Ted Cruz with Mark Levin
17 posted on 03/27/2014 12:14:06 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Jim Robinson

Oh wow - the comments section at this link is turned off.

Why is that?


18 posted on 03/27/2014 12:17:42 AM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Tzimisce

It’s NOT NATO I am worried about, its our own hides when the SHTF.


19 posted on 03/27/2014 4:00:41 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: no-to-illegals
I’m going on to be with hopefully the Lord or that other character. Jim, you will probably live forever.

Just saw this thread, and surprised it ony saw 15 comments. But as regards you comment, while the faith in the gospel by which we are saved is one that is characterized by obedience to the Lord according to Scripture (and repentance when we realized we have not), yet it is not on the basis of your good works or merit that we receive the gift of eternal life.

From the contrite publican to the "good thief" to the apostle Paul, all come to Christ as damned + destitute sinners, whose life actually sends them to Hell, and can only cast all their faith on the risen Lord Jesus, the Divine Son of God to save them on His expense and credit, by His sinless shed blood and righteousness. That is the good news I hope all receive, and so follow Him.

Sorry if I seem to be lecturing, but Christ died and rose for a reason.

20 posted on 03/31/2014 9:52:40 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Jim Robinson

What the article doesn’t say is that the major NATO players - UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, etc. - have cut their own armed forces even more deeply. When the U.S. had 400,000 troops in Europe there were twice as many soldiers from other countries standing next to them. Now the European armed forces are a shadow of their Cold War strength. I can see helping Europe defend against Russian aggression. I can’t see doing it on our own so they don’t have to.


21 posted on 03/31/2014 9:56:31 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: daniel1212

Amen Daniel, Amen.


22 posted on 03/31/2014 10:24:05 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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