Skip to comments."Free Justina!" Why Did Massachusetts Take This Sick Girl From Her Parents In The First Place?
Posted on 03/27/2014 3:30:19 AM PDT by suspects
At the center of the seemingly incomprehensible case of Justina Pelletier lies one very simple, and unanswered, question:
What did her mom and dad do to lose custody of their daughter in the first place?
Gallons of ink have been poured on this story since last November, when a Connecticut TV station first reported the story of a sick teenager ripped from her family over a medical dispute between two hospitals. But having read every report on the case, including Judge Joseph Johnstons ruling Tuesday, I cant find a single claim substantiated or otherwise of bad behavior by Lou and Linda Pelletier before their daughter was taken from them.
Defenders of the Department of Children and Families and Boston Childrens Hospital insist there must be something SOMETHING to justify the nightmare Massachusetts has inflicted on this family. A teenage girl who was relatively healthy, able to ice skate with friends while under Tufts Medical Center care is now almost immobile in a wheelchair, after more than a year of virtual isolation at a Childrens Hospital psych ward.
Theres got to be a good reason GOTTA be for DCF keeping this girl isolated from her family, allowing them to visit for just one hour a week always under the watchful eye of DCF agents and guards. A reason for not allowing her to attend school, or to attend church on Christmas or Easter.
We treat the accused Boston Marathon bomber better than this, for cryin out loud. So there must be a rational defense for what amounts to the abuse of a poor, sick girl.
Whatever that reason is, alas, it doesnt appear in the public record. And this is a problem. Because the state of Massachusetts has taken a child...
(Excerpt) Read more at bostonherald.com ...
Reason: Egomaniac doctor at BCH won’t admit that the Tufts doctor (also on staff at BCH) is right ... he needs this girl for some kind of paper or thesis he’s working on... and since BCH and DCF are legally entwined it is in their interests that this girl die rather than go back to the treatment that was working for her.
The House Officer stole the child for HIS EXPERIMENTATION
which has been supported by the corrupt Massachusetts
So here we are, some 238 years later.
We wasted a good deal of tea it seems.
This happens to me and my daughter, there would be much death and destruction.
As for the rest of the country? Repent.
The judge reprimanded the parents for their argumentative statements to the DCF workers, according to local reports.
Just wanted you to know the depths of the corrupted attitude of the authorities in this Commonwealth.
The Boston hospital at the center of this mess...and the Boston legal system...have to be awful worried that this young gal might pass away before the 18th birthday. The amount of a lawsuit on this? It could reach up into $500 million against the hospital alone, and the county might have another $500 million that it’d have to find to pay off their side of the mess.
Neither has insurance capable of paying that much off, and it just makes you wonder how many lawyers are now engaged quietly at reminding people just how badly this might go. Even if this young gal survives until 18....she’ll lay in a imprisonment suite and demand hundreds of millions on her own.
What happens if the family just forcibly take Justina?
That is probably what the state is hoping for ...
As soon as they get her, it’s time to move out of state!
patient shows up with a diagnosis
infringing on his “territory”
he makes a different one because he is a frickin’ genius /sarc
“Boston Childrens Hospital is also home to Norman Spack, the endocrinologist who began his career using hormones to change the gender of tadpoles and went on to use massive doses of hormones to manipulate the gender characteristics of childrensometimes coaxing parents to go forward with the treatment, when they had serious misgivings.”
Comment by Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team
Now, now.....we all know that the government knows what’s best for you.
This is simply a case of the courts allowing the medical zealots to have their own “lab rat” to play with and to do so, they had to take it away from mom and dad.
Nope. Doctors do not have that kind of power—the police state has that kind of power.
I'm sorry, but you are wrong. This is done because the gØvt knows that her dad and the other 'men' in her family will do nothing but cry and wet their panties.
Here is an excellent article on this matter by a retired PhD psychologist.
A Discussion of Justina Pelletier and Boston Childrens Hospital
The following are excerpts:
One of the points that has emerged fairly clearly is that Boston Children’s Hospital (BCH) procedure for pursuing a commitment of this kind is a well-oiled machine. The BCH physicians and staff on the one hand, and the DCF staff on the other, work closely to prepare their cases, and the courts are usually cooperative. Psychiatric evidence is afforded a high measure of credibility and deference, and, as in this case, the child is routinely ordered to remain at BCH.
The problem with all of this is that BCH stands to make a great deal of money on every child that is court-ordered to remain in their care. The conflict of interest is glaring. Its like a judge routinely sending convicted criminals to a private prison that he himself happens to own. The difference is that any judge who engaged in activity of this sort would be looking at criminal charges and disbarment. But in psychiatry, this sort of thing is common.
The matter is particularly compelling in that reports are emerging that BCH tends to pursue these kinds of court orders in cases where the family has good insurance. Justina was kept at BCH for eleven months. I have seen no reports as to the size of the bill, but Im sure it wasnt trivial.
BCH and Harvard
David R. DeMaso, MD, is the head of psychiatry at BCH. He is also a professor at Harvard, and is a member of Harvards Psychiatry Department Executive Committee. He is evidently highly regarded at the University, and has his own Harvard Catalyst page. Theres a tab on this page labeled Similar People, and one of the people listed as similar to Dr. DeMaso is our old friend Joseph Biederman, MD, the eminent inventor of pediatric bipolar disorder. This is the bogus diagnosis that legitimized the prescribing of neuroleptic drugs to children as young as two years old for temper tantrums. Even some psychiatrists spoke out against this spurious and destructive activity, but the practice continues. The fact that Dr. DeMaso would allow Dr. Biedermans name to remain on his Similar People tab seems noteworthy. There is also a connections page on Harvard Catalyst, listing three publications co-authored by Dr. DeMaso and Dr. Biederman.
Dr. Biederman is on record as promising Johnson & Johnson a positive result for their drug Risperdal if they would fund his study. Why would any reputable physician allow someone like that to remain on his Similar People tab?
I did a PubMed search to see if there were other links between BCH psychiatrists and Joseph Biederman. In addition to the DeMaso publications, I discovered papers co-authored by Joseph Biederman and at least two other members of the BCH Department of Psychiatry Leadership Team: Joseph Gonzalez-Heydrich, MD (7 articles, as recent at 2012); and Deborah Waber, MD (3 articles, as recent at 2012).
The gag order was clearly an attempt to prevent them from drawing adverse publicity to BCHs psychiatry department. Courts are supposed to be impartial. Why would the court in this case have assumed that the psychiatry departments motives were benign, that its diagnoses were valid and accurate, and that its practices were judicious and efficacious? Why did the court not recognize the financial conflict of interest when it ordered that Justina be kept involuntarily in the locked psychiatric ward at BCH?
I agree with Neidermeyer.
“Reason: Egomaniac doctor at BCH wont admit that the Tufts doctor (also on staff at BCH) is right ... he needs this girl for some kind of paper or thesis hes working on... and since BCH and DCF are legally entwined it is in their interests that this girl die rather than go back to the treatment that was working for her.”
My wife is an MD psychiatrist on the faculty at a very reputable medical school and I discussed this case at length with her this morning. Bottom line, any physician who refuses to allow other reputable physicians to evaluate their problem cases is opening their career to a death sentence, especially if the patient deteriorates under their care.
Here is why he was drooling when Justina showed up with a gastrointestinal disorder. He is one of the authors in this journal article:
Title Case Study: Longitudinal Treatment of Adolescents with Depression and Inflammatory Bowel Disease.
Date May 2006
Journal Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
OBJECTIVE: To assess longitudinal maintenance of improvements in depression, anxiety, global functioning, and physical health perception in 11 adolescents at 6 and 12 months following completion of manual-based cognitive-behavioral therapy. METHOD: Standardized instruments assessed follow-up changes in depression, anxiety, physical health, and global psychological functioning.
RESULTS: At both assessments, 10 adolescents did not meet criteria for mood disorders. Improvements in depression, anxiety, global functioning, and physical health perceptions at completion of the cognitive-behavioral therapy were maintained during the 12-month period. Additional cognitive-behavioral therapy sessions (mean = 4.36; SD = 4.37) and psychopharmacology (n = 5) were required during the follow-up period. CONCLUSIONS: CBT with maintenance sessions and medication offers promise to adolescents facing comorbid depressive and physical disorders.
Irresponsible and Wrong: Lawyer Hits Back at Judges Leaked Ruling That Includes Accusations Against Justina Pelletiers Parents
“But Mat Staver, the founder and chairman of the Liberty Counsel and whom the Pelletiers requested be admitted as a lawyer onto the case a request Judge Johnston also denied Tuesday said the court order doesnt present all the evidence.
Staver said three psychiatric experts and Dr. Korson testified in court in the last months of 2013. One of the psychiatrists was the one from Boston Childrens Hospital who first diagnosed Justina with somatoform disorder. That doctor maintained a somatoform diagnosis to the court, Staver said. Another was from Boston Childrens who disagreed with the somatoform diagnosis but said Justina had another psychiatric condition known as conversion disorder. The third, Staver said, was a psychologist who had seen since Justina since 2006, well before the custody battle began. This psychologist believed that Justina suffered from a form a depression that resulted from her symptoms with mitochondrial disease. Dr. Korson maintained in court that Justina had mitochondrial disease, which impacts the energy-producing organelles of her cells.
To Staver, this shows that only one doctor insists that she has somaoform. So thats the so-called evidence that the judge is relying upon.”
If the girl is a Connecticut resident why don’t the parents argue for Connecticut jurisdiction over the girl? May force Massachusetts to turn the girl over and the home state court can restore custody. I’m surprised their attorneys haven’t pursued that strategy yet.
Note to self... The DSM-IV classifies conversion disorder as a somatoform disorder while the ICD-10 classifies it as a dissociative disorder.
Here is the answer from the Blaze article:
“Judge Johnston also mentioned throughout the order that Massachusetts DCF had tried numerous times to have Connecticut DCF take over custody of Justina.
It was abundantly clear to this court then, as it is now, that CT DFC should have immediately accepted this case concerning Justina , the order stated.
So why didnt the agency take the teen into her home state if it was approached several times to do so by Massachusetts DCF?
Because they didnt see any reason to get involved, Staver speculated. Why would the get involved if they found no evidence of neglect.
Connecticut DCF did not immediately respond to TheBlazes request for clarification on this point.”
Thanks for clearing that up. Government is always an unruly servant and an even crueler master.
This is what death panels look like. When the get it wrong, prestigious careers and reputations are then the line. People who “...care about the children.” Protecting these esteemed people protects the greater good. How did you think it would turn out when a death panel gets it wrong? Did you think?
Kids are now owned by the state. But,then again, aren’t we all now.
Justina is going to die in government custody and when she does die the government will certainly blame her parents for her death saying they were negligent for not sending her to the state SOONER.....
This will all be a lie to establish cover for the people inside of Boston Children’s Hospital and the Judge they have in their pocket.
Why? The power of the state must NEVER be challenged. The wisdom of the state must NEVER be questioned. You do either, just watch. They will take your kids to remind you. And, if you are lucky enough to still be breathing we will throw you in jail.
Has anyone ever seen any reason stated as to why this child does not have a guardian ad litem?
In this case the police state and the doctors are one and the same ,, so I have to disagree.
This is done because the gØvt knows that her dad and the other ‘men’ in her family will do nothing but cry and wet their panties.
How do you see them fixing this... They are dead broke at this point which means that they are unable to kidnap and hide the girl... I’d like to see the children of the judge and the doctor that initiated the kidnapping targeted “asian gang style”...
The only long term solution the family really has open to them is to work the system ... and they DO have the Boston Herald on their side ...
Have any parents (especially out-of-state parents) brought their sick child to BCH since this story has been receiving attention? I’d go anywhere BUT there. I hope the Pelletier family owns that hospital, all the doctors and administrators involved, the DCF agents, and the county before this is over. I especially hope Justina survives the BCH care. And may the judge be damned.
The hits keep coming...
The Howie Carr Show
Audio | Wed, 26 Mar 2014
A report from Massachusetts Auditor Suzanne Bump found that the state’s Department of Children and Families flunked an audit in that they failed to check whether registered sex offenders were living in or near foster homes and neglected to ensure all children get required medical screenings within seven days of being placed in Massachusetts care. We spoke with Massachusetts State Rep. Marc Lombardo about this scathing report.
What’s up with this?
In other news from MA, Chazz Baker wins the GOP nomination for Governor because his only foe failed to get 15% at the state GOP convention and thus won’t appear on the primary ballot.
Baker is as execrable today as he was 4 years ago. The entire MA GOP leadership is as moonbat as the Democrats and remain terrified at nominating a non-leftist for office regardless of level (and they wonder why the party is dead). I’m endorsing Independent Rev. Scott Lively for Governor. http://www.livelyforgovernor.com/
As for his pervert former running (I just started to type “rimming”) mate, Tisei, it looks like the Dems may sack Tierney in the 6th, as he has drawn several challengers. A new Dem candidate there should halt a Tisei win in November.
It is so obvious that her health is failing, and that something is rotten in Denmark between the judge, BCH, and DCF. Can nothing be done here -appeals?
What about Connecticut and the courts there? She doesn't even freakin live in Massachusetts?
And what about the judge's ruling-The parents were "abusive" after BCH took their sick child from them-AND STOPPED HER MEDICAL TREATMENT-This justifies her not being returned to them?!
Does the judge have some as yet undisclosed bias in this case? Does he have relatives and/or friends who work/worked for BCH or DCF? HisPlease ruling doesn't even make sense.
I bet most parents would be much more than "verbally abusive" if put in the same situation. The Pelletiers have had the patience of saints with these people.
There has to be some way to get her back home. The whole case is an outrage.
I wonder if there is a picket line around BCH warning parents not to take their child there and telling Justina's story?
The losing gubernatorial candidate is planning to sue over the convention vote; he was within 6 votes of forcing a primary. Bag job.
Baker: Speaking as a Jew, I view him as the Sovets vs. the Germans in 1945; the Soviets will give me mold-encrusted bread and dirty water in Siberia instead of burning me alive.
Tisei: A fag or a RAT. What to do... Not my district, so it’s not a choice I have to make.
I hope the good Lord blesses your children with good health and long life, but, if you are ever in a situation where the local talent doesn't know what to do, and the odds against your little one are long (I've been there), there is no better place.
Doesn’t having 3 challengers diminish the chances that Tierney loses the rat primary? Only 1 of them, Seth Moulton, has much $$$$$$, he’s not far behind Tierney.
How about this story with this girl? I just heard about it. Very strange. Sounds like they think she has some kind of psychiatric disorder that is causing her pain symptoms and the parents rejected this diagnosis and refused the proscribed treatment (which doesn’t appear to be working very well), so they accused them of “medical child abuse” and took custody. Very strange.
I won’t say what I want to say on the open forum.
I’m wondering if they made the assumption Mom had that syndrome where a parent will seek attention by intentionally making their children sick.
They probably assumed this is what happened with the older daughter - and they gambled with their theory.
Normally - the health of a child will improve once removed from the parent - IF they guess right.
But that isn’t happening.
It appears they are afraid to admit they made the wrong bet on this one.
Argh, you’re right. I forgot there’s no runoff. Just as bad as Tennessee. I see the creep Tisei boycotted the GOP convention (where some shenanigans kept Mark Fisher from his 15% to get on the ballot) because of the (gasp !) “Conservative platform.” Dick needs to go run against Tierney in the Democrat primary where he belongs.
Munchhausen by proxy is what you are referring to
And I have run into good doctors and I have run into assholes who think they are smarter than everybody. It looks like that is what the “doctor” at Massachusetts is.
Gay Tisei vs. RATS:
The more I think about it, I hate the RATS more than I hate fags. Tisei is one more vote to keep Pelosi out of the Speaker’s chair; that’s about all she’s worth, but RATS CANNOT have access to power. They have to be kept out at all costs.
“How about this story with this girl?”
A picture (or video) is worth a 1,000 words:
Very good read, indeed. So good, in fact, that it is identical to the article that started this thread. : )
Trojan Horses in the GOP are worse than any open Democrats, why Tisei MUST be defeated. Adding to that, the guy has a “gay marriage” and hence comes in with a destructive, radical agenda to shove down our throats. He’ll only be there to maximize damage and cause division in the ranks.
Tierney, on the other hand, is just another rodent crook. So you tell me which one is worse for the GOP ?
“So you tell me which one is worse for the GOP ?”
As I said before, every vote to keep Pelosi out of the Speaker’s chair is critical. Everything else happens (or doesn’t) from there.
Realistically, if she gets elected, she’ll serve 1 MAYBE 2 terms and get bounced.
Hey, I’m not pro-fag; I think that’s pretty obvious. But again, I hate RATS more than fags. Like Herpes is probably “better” than HIV.
I don’t vote in that CD, so it’s a moot point for me (or pretty much everyone else pinged here).
OTOH, “supporting” unknowns with less than zero chance of winning is the MO of certain “legendary” FReeper(s) - it’s an idiotic “strategy” at best.
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