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You Canít Wish Away the Fertility Gap: We ignore it at our peril.
Pajamas Media ^ | 03/27/2014 | Bonnie Ramthun

Posted on 03/27/2014 7:07:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Jill Knapp begs us to “Please Stop Asking Me When I’m Going to Have Children.”

Being that I am still a newly-wed and have just moved to a new city, I am in no rush to have a kid. This is an unacceptable answer to a lot of people. The constant reminders that your clock is ticking and that you don’t want to be confused for your child’s grandparents when they grow up are not making us move any faster. Having children is a big responsibility.

What Jill doesn’t understand is that her fertility is not subject to whim or wishful thinking. Her chances of getting pregnant decline rapidly after 30. By age 40, less than 5 out of every 100 women will be successful at conception. When the Jills of this world decide they want children at 36 or 38 or 42, they enter a long, often fruitless quest for safe pregnancy and childbirth.

Men achieve fertility at 12 years old and can father children all the way to 96. Women have a narrow fertility window of around 16 to 40. That’s a fertility gap of up to fifty years!

Cary Grant (61), Dyan Cannon (27) and their daughter in 1965

Noted feminist Camille Paglia hits the nail on the head in “Put the Sex Back in Sex Ed,” when she argues that women are not properly educated about their limited fertility. Instead, this subject is ignored, leaving girls like Jill with the impression that they should enjoy their twenties like men do, partying and traveling and working at a profession, and when the desire for a baby strikes they’ll be ready.

That’s male thinking. This doesn’t work for women. The lack of education about the fertility gap leaves many women in a desperate race to conceive at the end of their fertility cycle. Young women must be educated about the fertility gap. It’s not fair, it’s not equal, and it’s not subject to wishful thinking. If women want to be mothers, they have to start thinking like women and stop acting like men.

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1 posted on 03/27/2014 7:07:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Cary Grant (61), Dyan Cannon (27) and their daughter in 1965
2 posted on 03/27/2014 7:08:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Women have a narrow fertility window of around 15 to 40”

Great Grandmother had her last baby at 49. Grandmother had her last at 50. Mom had her last at 42. Maybe I just come from REALLY fertile stock?


3 posted on 03/27/2014 7:12:03 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: SeekAndFind

The US total fertility has been below replacement levels (2.1) since 2007. It currently stands at 1.89 as of 2011.


4 posted on 03/27/2014 7:14:21 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d have had 6 kids if we could have.... We have two, and both were life-threatening pregnancies.

God gives ya what He gives ya, and expects you to do your best either way.

Best gift I ever got were my children...


5 posted on 03/27/2014 7:14:37 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Amen to this! Bob


6 posted on 03/27/2014 7:15:26 AM PDT by alstewartfan (Two broken Tigers on fire in the night Flicker their souls to the wind. From RTMoscow by Al Stewart)
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To: momtothree

Awesome family tree there!!!
:^)


7 posted on 03/27/2014 7:15:43 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I think the chances of fertility are infinite at any age if they are on welfare, or at least it appears so.
8 posted on 03/27/2014 7:15:54 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Being that I am still a newly-wed and have just moved to a new city, I am in no rush to have a kid...”

BTW, stop calling children, “kid(s).” Kids are baby goats. Children are not animals.


9 posted on 03/27/2014 7:16:43 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: NFHale

Maybe it’s an Irish Catholic thing?!


10 posted on 03/27/2014 7:17:01 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

That’s because in each case, it was their last baby. Women can get pregnant up to age 45 or even 50 if they’ve already had babies. But there are women trying to have their very first babies at advanced ages, and that’s different.

Another problem, as I see it, is all the Hollywood celebrities having babies in their 40s, without mentioning that they used egg donors to do it. This gives ordinary women the impression that they have plenty of time and they, too, can wait till their 40s to be moms.


11 posted on 03/27/2014 7:20:10 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: Nea Wood

My mother and father tried to have children for twenty years with no success. My father went to a doctor and they found no issues with him, so they assumed my mother was infertile and went on about life. Then, out of the blue, she got pregnant at age 41, and here I am.


12 posted on 03/27/2014 7:25:45 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: SeekAndFind

The libs have doomed America to demographic decline in more ways than one


13 posted on 03/27/2014 7:28:31 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: momtothree
Great Grandmother had her last baby at 49. Grandmother had her last at 50. Mom had her last at 42. Maybe I just come from REALLY fertile stock?

Doubtless you do, but I've heard that women who start early tend to be able to keep going later. I believe there are physiological obstacles, such as endometriosis, and maybe hormone effects, that start to get in the way if you wait.

Then again, there are women like the 30-year-old Catholic spinster who went to Australia in the 19th century when the government put out the call for women—and I think offered free passage. She found her man, got married, and had 5 kids. She was the great-grandmother of one of my friends.

14 posted on 03/27/2014 7:28:43 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: momtothree

Statistically yes.

The number given of less than five percent of women over forty is accurate.
It Iisn’t a toss of the dice as to finding out which five percent will be able to concieve though. It is a combination of genetics and general health.


15 posted on 03/27/2014 7:29:50 AM PDT by MrEdd (vHeck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Children are not animals.

Then they must be either mineral or vegetable.
16 posted on 03/27/2014 7:30:34 AM PDT by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: momtothree

Haha! Could be... growing up, I knew two families, both Irish Catholics, one with 15 kids (!!!!!!!) and one with 8...

Others had anywhere between 3 and 6, typically... went to Parochial grade school and High School, so we saw a bunch of big families.

Now... not so much.


17 posted on 03/27/2014 7:31:27 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

have you seen the way some eat?? :)


18 posted on 03/27/2014 7:32:43 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: SeekAndFind

No worries. The Muslims are picking up the slack.


19 posted on 03/27/2014 7:33:07 AM PDT by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
The US total fertility has been below replacement levels (2.1) since 2007. It currently stands at 1.89 as of 2011.

This is the essential information that people ignore. Demographics are destiny.

We already see a more feminized society, especially among the millenials. As birth rates decline and we attract more immigrants to fill the labor shortage the result is pretty easy to see. The USA will be transformed into a euro style socialist/fascist state. The experiment in individual liberty and govt subservient to the individual will be replaced with the individual as a child controlled by the state.

20 posted on 03/27/2014 7:35:37 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights

Demographics via character are destiny.


21 posted on 03/27/2014 7:39:40 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: ealgeone

Most people I know are civilized and teach their children to eat in a civilized manner.


22 posted on 03/27/2014 7:40:24 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: wmfights

“The USA will be transformed into a euro style socialist/fascist state.”

I call it the Euro-peon-ization of America. The process has been going on for 100+ years already.


23 posted on 03/27/2014 7:46:49 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: ZX12R
"Children are not animals.

Then they must be either mineral or vegetable."

LOL...that response made me chuckle...:-)

24 posted on 03/27/2014 7:51:15 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Nothing does more damage to the left than an honest election.")
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To: momtothree
Great Grandmother had her last baby at 49. Grandmother had her last at 50. Mom had her last at 42. Maybe I just come from REALLY fertile stock?

If a woman begins to have children during her fertile years, she can usually continue to have children well into her 40's. (As long as she's otherwise healthy.)

If she waits until later to *begin* having children, fertility is dramatically reduced.

Personally, I think that it's a the hormonal contraception that's required to postpone childbirth for decades that screws us up.

25 posted on 03/27/2014 7:52:24 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I called mine ‘kids’ and ‘kidlets’. “Kids” is common and accepted.


26 posted on 03/27/2014 7:54:07 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: ZX12R
Children are not animals.

I was always reminding my daughter that "kids aren't people," and that "one day she will be an actual person" if she makes the right choices.

I've been telling her that since she was three. Now she is an extraordinary 15-year-old with excellent personal values, and we have a very, very close relationship. I am proud of her on every level and she is my greatest joy.

But I still never fail remind her that teenagers aren't people either.

27 posted on 03/27/2014 7:54:30 AM PDT by Maceman
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28 posted on 03/27/2014 7:55:37 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Marie

And we wonder why our children are behaving increasingly like animals as time goes by. We speak the future into being.


29 posted on 03/27/2014 7:57:05 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

People should have children when they can afford to and when they’re emotionaly prepared for it.

Thats the problem today.We have too many people that can’t afford children and are not emotionaly ready for careing for them thats one of the big reasons why our welfare rolls are so high as well as the high numbers of child abuse and neglect cases.


30 posted on 03/27/2014 8:00:49 AM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Oh, please. My daughter calls her baby ‘little chicken’ (because she makes a squawking sound when she’s happy) and it’s an affectionate nickname. I called my son ‘pup’ with the greatest love because he had the openness and energy of a happy puppy when he was a little boy. (I call my husband ‘Bear’ for other reasons and that is his official nickname.)

If you’ve ever seen kids (children) jumping around on a playground, you’ll understand the parallels between them and adorable baby goats. Boundless energy and enthusiasm. (and about the same level of destruction, if you’ve ever had baby goats.)

It’s not demeaning. You sound like a feminist who just had the door held open for her - looking for offense where none is intended.


31 posted on 03/27/2014 8:05:27 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: Marie

Words have meaning and power. This is something you don’t understand.


32 posted on 03/27/2014 8:06:40 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

That isn’t actually a measure of fertility at all as it excludes all the murdered children of abortion.


33 posted on 03/27/2014 8:10:55 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: SeekAndFind

I bought into the Feminist’s claptrap that you can delay childbearing. I had my only child at 36. What a blessing he has been! Five miscarriages later, we gave up. So thankful that we have our one, but would’ve loved having more. I now tell any young lady who asks, DON’T DELAY. Start in your 20’s if you want to have more than one. It is safe advice.


34 posted on 03/27/2014 8:11:04 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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To: SeekAndFind

From a fascinating and controversial article:

Which of the career paths listed below makes more sense?:

1. Focus on career right out of school, have recreational sex with pleasant male companions your own age, be on the success track for 10-15 years, then panic when you realize you want children but you don’t want to derail your career, your looks are starting to fade compared to the twentysomethings, there aren’t any men that seem interested in marrying you, and in any event, you’re running out of time,

or

2. After high school or during college, focus on finding a man about 10 years older who has established himself in the last decade and who wants a family. Use your youth, looks, and fertility to find the best possible man for the role of Husband and Father. Have children at a young age, soon after you finish your schooling, while you have lots of energy and your body will recover quickly. Be there for the kids when they need you, and let your husband do the financial lifting. Be good to both the kids and your husband, and be thinking about what your career dreams are while caring for your family. Talk to your husband about these dreams. Tell him you don’t want to just sit around the house at age 40-45. Then go after your dream, once the kids are of majority age. You’ve still got a few good decades left, plenty of time for career success.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070108014754/http://www.john-ross.net/feminism.htm


35 posted on 03/27/2014 8:13:07 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: Durus

It’s based on the actual number of children born, not those that were conceived and carried to a certain point and died either by abortion or natural causes. The number would be a bit higher, of course, if women weren’t allowed by law to do such to their children.


36 posted on 03/27/2014 8:14:30 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: A CA Guy

And it’s really strange that leftists will scorn white evangelical families with a lot of kids (in a self supporting family),
but you can’t say one word about limiting the benefits to welfare “mothers” when they have one meal ticket after another.


37 posted on 03/27/2014 8:17:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I understand where your number comes from, but it isn’t an accurate measure of fertility.


38 posted on 03/27/2014 8:24:57 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

Why do you say that? What am I missing?


39 posted on 03/27/2014 8:26:17 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think this post and this article both touch on separate issues: whether it’s risky to delay having a baby (it is) and whether people have a right to ask others when they plan to have children (they don’t).


40 posted on 03/27/2014 8:28:43 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: Jack Hydrazine

According to the dictionary, the word ‘kid’ has three meanings - all legitimate.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kid

And yes, one legitimate definition of “kid” is a ‘young person’.

According to the etymology of the word, ‘kid’ has been an acceptable way of referring to a ‘human child’ since at least the 1590’s.

So I choose not to change the entire English language because you’re offended by an ancient implication. (Which probably did start because a gang of rowdy children does resemble a herd of rambunctious baby goats.)

The day I do, I’ll stop referring to those in the Air Force as ‘airmen’ and start calling them ‘airpeople’. I’ll also stop calling my cat my ‘pet’ and call him my ‘non-human companion’. And my ‘husband’ can become my gender-neutral ‘partner’.


41 posted on 03/27/2014 8:38:05 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: momtothree

The fertility they are talking about is the most fertile period. Many women are still fertile into their early 50’s, there is just less likelihood of conception happening and a pregnancy taking hold.

I know someone who conceived at 55 (total shock and surprise) and was 9 months pregnant at her 29 year old son’s wedding! Her husband was 65 and had just retired when they found out she was pregnant. He went back to work.

It does happens, but statistically not often enough to sway the main fertility period cited.


42 posted on 03/27/2014 8:45:38 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Children born to older fathers have a higher risk of autism and poor performance at school

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2568590/Children-born-older-fathers-higher-risk-autism.html


43 posted on 03/27/2014 9:13:34 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Atlas Sneezed

The latter is the best plan if you want children.

However, you’d better be thinking of starting your own business at age 40-45 as few to nil companies will hire you, especially if you have scant job experience. Heck, a lot of companies won’t hire you at that age even if you do have a lot of experience.


44 posted on 03/27/2014 9:17:47 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Lorianne

Research confirms antidepressant-autism link
‘Virtually every study shows increased rates of developmental delay in children’

http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/research-confirms-antidepressant-autism-link/


45 posted on 03/27/2014 9:26:40 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

.......Well there was one Abraham and Sarah who had their son Issac well into their old age.


46 posted on 03/27/2014 10:17:45 AM PDT by Biggirl (¬ďGo, do not be afraid, and serve¬Ē-Pope Francis)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Fertility is the potential of having children. One could be very fertile and only have one child while someone less fertile could have 5 children. In other words fertility is the odds of conceiving.


47 posted on 03/27/2014 11:30:34 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

But it is based on real numbers for the theoretical average woman of a particular group.


48 posted on 03/27/2014 11:36:01 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

But it ignores birth control and abortion. Certainly I won’t argue that our population growth is very low, especially compared to some other populations, but that doesn’t infer that our fertility is lower.


49 posted on 03/27/2014 11:43:57 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

I agree with you. Abortion, birth control, stillborn deaths and other factors do affect the fertility rate.

This is the time for the Godly to shine because they choose life while others choose death.


50 posted on 03/27/2014 12:07:08 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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