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Ukraine Claims 100,000 Russian Troops Near Border
AFP ^ | March 27, 2014

Posted on 03/27/2014 10:29:14 AM PDT by Strategy

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To: PastorBooks

Pastor, your prayers requested, please.


101 posted on 03/27/2014 12:25:26 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Agog
How dare they try to get the Russian boot off their necks.

Yeah the Russian boot. The Ukrainians will cry out for the "Russian boot" after they are economically and culturally gang raped by Globalist Banksters for a few years.

102 posted on 03/27/2014 12:46:54 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: no-to-illegals
From Fox News today:

U.S. Defense officials say the numbers of troops far exceeds the amount needed for a training exercise. And the fact that there is no real evidence any large-scale exercises have occurred, and that none of the troops have returned to their bases, is also concerning to U.S. observers.

Some have estimated the troop strength to be at about 30,000 -- Rep. Michael Turner, R-Ohio, though, claimed Thursday that the number could be as high as 80,000. It is believed that an additional 50,000 troops may have flooded the region in the last few days.

103 posted on 03/27/2014 12:55:39 PM PDT by AU72
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To: caww

Nice table decoration....I think.


104 posted on 03/27/2014 1:06:04 PM PDT by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: Strategy

I have little sympathy for any nation that does not maintain a strong military.


105 posted on 03/27/2014 1:16:49 PM PDT by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Strategy; All

I thought it was 80,000 this morning???

Somehow they moved 20,000 since then to their jump off points???

That’s about 9-10 divisions??? Not to mention support units...

Somebody really wants to move in and stay a while...


106 posted on 03/27/2014 1:30:28 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: caww
"Don’t know how long Putin can stage this on the border...he has to feed these troops etc."

What's the problem with that? Trucks don't have roads to drive on? It's a very, very short logistics tail.

107 posted on 03/27/2014 1:32:33 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: caww
"We saw lots of combines and farmers selling apples, but if there are 20-25k Russian forces along the border they were hiding in their bases"

Fresh-picked apples and harvesting machines operating in March in Russia. NBC is so fake.

108 posted on 03/27/2014 1:34:47 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: Sacajaweau

A series of unexpected events have occurred in the last five weeks.

It all started with what happened on the streets of Kiev last month.

The notion that there would be a crackdown on the pro-EU protestors by the old pro-Russian government during the Sochi Olympics was not in the cards.

After the Olympics, yes, but not during the showcase Putin was putting on for the world.

That’s why the events that led to the ousting of the former government are suspicious.

Those events set this whole ball of Russian action rolling.


109 posted on 03/27/2014 1:35:56 PM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Rennes Templar

Good point!


110 posted on 03/27/2014 1:36:15 PM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: cookcounty
Well, that's what he wrote....I'm just saying what he wrote....besides you have to remember even the Athletes had their jackets off because of how warm it was for the winter Olympics at Soci so I can believe it.
111 posted on 03/27/2014 1:57:11 PM PDT by caww
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To: PastorBooks

Hey!!! I resent that...I love it when men open doors for me or pulls my chair out....chivalry isn’t dead yet! There’s still some great guys out there. I always think it’s a thoughtful jester....and it is...


112 posted on 03/27/2014 2:00:30 PM PDT by caww
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To: Strategy

According to Obama this must be further proof of Russian weakness.


113 posted on 03/27/2014 2:00:57 PM PDT by EternalHope (Something wicked this way comes. Be ready.)
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To: Girlene
Once a country's military crosses said border, that is an act of war.

BFD.

My grand-uncle was a captain in the Mexican Punitive Expedition of 1916. And now, it's long past time for a do-over.

The entire history of humanity is armies crossing borders.

If Ukraine is strong enough, or has strong enough friends, it won't be a problem. If not, not.

Either way, none of our business.

114 posted on 03/27/2014 2:22:04 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

There’s a few freepers that are 100% in the tank for Putin. Just ignore them.


115 posted on 03/27/2014 2:22:07 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Daus

Oh that would go over like a lead balloon....they have 2 million Chinese on Putin’s border!


116 posted on 03/27/2014 2:52:06 PM PDT by caww
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To: Strategy
They're just lining up for Obamacare.
117 posted on 03/27/2014 3:00:03 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: PGR88
That’s a lot of targets - why don’t the Ukranians do something?

"The West" is telling them not to. It's probably felt that opening fire would give Russia an excuse for a full scale invasion, plus, the targets to really worry about are still on Russian soil, at this point.

Also, the Ukraine military is a shambles after Yanukovych got through with it. Probably by plan, he was Putin's puppet, after all. This has been in the works for a long time. Right now, the Ukraine gov't is having trouble simply maintaining order, as most of the police are gone, too, tho' the police did manage to (under orders from the Interior Ministry) assasinate a Right Sector leader very recently. (Yeah, the Nazis are in control - righto... /s)

While this gives time for Russia to mass forces, Ukraine needs "time" more than Russia does, to try to organize some sort of defense, thwart Russian subversives being sent in to disrupt, and so on. I saw on another thread where they (Ukraine) did not even have batteries for a lot of their military vehicles... And naturally our "leadership" is too impotent to even assist them with that, quickly enough to do any good. Fortunately for Ukraine, a local oligarch stepped in to help, but an awful lot of that sort of thing, not to mention really competent leadership on the Ukrainian side, is desperately needed.

118 posted on 03/27/2014 3:07:08 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Not necessarily. If they follow the example of, say, Estonia, a poor country can do fine in the EU. And Ukraine has far more natural resources per capita than Estonia. It does however, take discipline, ending corruption, and a rejection of Krugman style economic policy.


119 posted on 03/27/2014 3:14:07 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: SgtHooper

We pushed them into it. Plus Putin’s puppet was in control the last few years, and took ‘em down even further, which was all part of Putin’s plan, obviously.


120 posted on 03/27/2014 3:18:10 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: caww

Many of those Russian troops in Crimea can be used to invade Southern Ukraine. Didn’t many of the Ukrainian servicemen in Crimea decide to go over to the Russians?


121 posted on 03/27/2014 3:37:14 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: SgtHooper
I have little sympathy for any nation that does not maintain a strong military.

Mexico's military aint that strong, yet they're kicking our asses without formally firing a shot.

122 posted on 03/27/2014 3:48:08 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Jim Noble
Either way, none of our business.

"Europe" dragged us in twice and the playing cards are shaping up the same again. This time with lots and lots of technology that kills humans dead from a very long distance.

123 posted on 03/27/2014 3:51:07 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: no-to-illegals

“Pastor, your prayers requested, please.”

For you personally, or about this Russia thing?

PM if you want.


124 posted on 03/27/2014 3:56:01 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: caww

Hi, caww

“Hey!!! I resent that...I love it when men open doors for me or pulls my chair out....chivalry isn’t dead yet! There’s still some great guys out there.”

You bet. That’s why I *always* get the door for a lady. I was taught to do that as a child, and I always will.


125 posted on 03/27/2014 3:59:34 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: Strategy

There is one side and the other side, and then there is the truth.

What is it?


126 posted on 03/27/2014 4:04:42 PM PDT by dforest
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To: caww

Eh? “Always been”? You believe the U.S. position in the Cold War was not for the good?


127 posted on 03/27/2014 4:14:42 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Strategy

The invasion of Iraq in 2003 involved 300K coalition forces. It was supported by Shiites and Kurds, who represent 80% of the population. If Ukrainians oppose Russian forces, the Russians are gonna lose far more than the 5000 dead we lost in Iraq.


128 posted on 03/27/2014 4:24:43 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Good evening.

If Ukrainians oppose Russian forces, the Russians are gonna lose far more than the 5000 dead we lost in Iraq.

You are correct, but Putin doesn't care. His reference point regarding casualties is WWII. He learned well the Stalinist model of warfare.

5.56mm

129 posted on 03/27/2014 4:32:10 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Strategy

I hope their tanks are running on bio fuels or Obama is going to get angry.


130 posted on 03/27/2014 4:42:07 PM PDT by BinaryBoy (Starve the RINOs: Not one dollar, not one vote.)
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To: Strategy

I hope their tanks are running on bio fuels or Obama is going to get angry.


131 posted on 03/27/2014 4:42:45 PM PDT by BinaryBoy (Starve the RINOs: Not one dollar, not one vote.)
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To: Daus
Time to let the Chinese know that they should feel free to protect their ethnic brethren in Eastern Russia while Vlad is looking the other way. :)

Oh, I'm sure that has been thought of. Hillarity or Kerry would probably miss it, but not Soros, Merkel, etc.

Now... If "we"/the U.S./EU/globalists/Soros/cohorts /whomever were even 10% as effective at stirring up trouble as is opined here on FR often, from that group's standpoint, to quote Chekhov in Star Trek 4: "Now would be a good time".

We are not that effective. If we were, it'd have been thought of a long time ago and already well in motion.

132 posted on 03/27/2014 4:57:22 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Strategy

How can this be?... I never heard about it from he MSM. /s


133 posted on 03/27/2014 5:03:09 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: M Kehoe
You are correct, but Putin doesn't care. His reference point regarding casualties is WWII. He learned well the Stalinist model of warfare.

Putin's not Stalin - the Russian equivalent of a living God. Stalin commanded not merely the obedience, but the worship of the Russian people. Putin is essentially an elected Tsar - popular only for as long as he gets the cost-benefit calculation right. And Russian families aren't as big as they used to be. The Afghan War demoralized Communist Russia despite the repressive apparatus in place to suppress defeatist talk. Besides, Russia was able to take huge casualties during the war with Germany only because surrender would have mean the liquidation of every single Russian. They were literally fighting for their lives. I doubt any Russian believes that not invading Ukraine will result in his extermination.

134 posted on 03/27/2014 5:10:08 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Thanks for your response.

Putin would leave thousands dead on the battlefield if his nationalistic interests would be served.

5.56mm

135 posted on 03/27/2014 5:25:09 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Zhang Fei

Agreed: As I’ve posted elsewhere, if this thing really heats up / the Ukrainians fight, I think Russia’s “pain level” breaks at around 50,00 fatal casualties, particularly if the most extreme (or desperate?) of the Nationalists ally with the Tartars and Chechnians, thereby giving Russia even more reason to fight on. Since I expect a 10:1 kill ratio in favor of the Russians, we are basically looking at half a million dead Ukrainians, not to mention a ravaged country. That’s pretty grim stuff, and whether the Ukraine is willing to fight that hard is questionable. However, the casualties would likely occur over substantial time, and as awful as those casualties sound, they are not even remotely close to the % of the population killed in Ukraine in WW2.

I’ve guessed elsewhere that perhaps 5 million Ukranians would actually be capable of resisting the Russians in some way. So, I try to put myself in those shoes: A 10% chance I am killed, and a certainty friends and/ or family members will be killed & my livelyhood probably destroyed, in return for finally being independent. (I don’t really think the Nationalists have much use for the EU, either, if the EU doesn’t support them in a big way.)

Do I fight? Deep breath... Yes. But, I’m not Ukrainian, so I can’t REALLY put myself in those shoes.


136 posted on 03/27/2014 5:39:12 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: molson209

I hope they put 500000 troops and take over the Ukraine. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. America, you get the government you deserve. Too bad for the community organizer. People that voted for this $hit, did you ever get an inkling as to what this coward THAT HATES THE MILITARY LIKE YOU DO, would be in the face of aggression? No, you didnt’t because nothing else mattered that you get your Communist black-skinned boy elected.


137 posted on 03/27/2014 5:51:55 PM PDT by Two Thirds Vote Aye (I was saying 'I hope he fails' before Rush was.)
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To: Two Thirds Vote Aye

Well... About half the Ukraine thinks their last Preaidential election was fraudulent. Not to mention that the oligarchs who really run the show control who is and isn’t a significant candidate, so the people don’t really have a good choice.

Huh, where have we seen this story before?

The REAL story of Maydan is that enough of the people finally got fed up enough to force the Ukrainian Parliament to dump the fast-growing-into-a-dictator Yanukovych.* (Yes, there are various factions — that Right Sector guy got what, well under 2% of the vote last time ‘round?)

*Even Yanukovych own party says this now:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10727181/Former-Ukrainian-president-Viktor-Yanukovych-kicked-out-of-party.html

But your take seems to be that since we elected a wus, the Ukrainians should suffer the consequences? Good God, FRiend, don’t wish evil on those who want to be free.


138 posted on 03/27/2014 7:07:14 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: aegiscg47

They do have 4m civilian owned small arms, and 7m military small arms. What they need most is time.


139 posted on 03/27/2014 7:29:43 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Strategy

They are likely in Belarus as well, waiting to strike south to Kiev.


140 posted on 03/27/2014 10:34:43 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: caww

Much of Ukraine’s military defected to Russia, taking their weapons with them. In fact, Ukrainians could be facing Ukrainian units of the Russian army.


141 posted on 03/27/2014 10:37:21 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Star Traveler

“From Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
Governor Sio Bibble: “A communications disruption could mean only one thing: invasion.””

As a fellow sci-fi fan, I award you the following points:

+100 points for the Star Wars quote in a non-Star Wars thread.

+200 points for relevancy.

+200 points for humor.

-500 points for mentioning the “Phantom Menace.”

You must unlearn what you have learned! :-)


142 posted on 03/28/2014 1:15:27 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: Strategy

I wonder what our military leaders are saying behind closed doors about this? Of course, we’ll never know.

Just after the fall of the Soviet Union happened, I remember a Russian preacher who had a dream of what would happen after the Russian Bear woke back up. He woke up in a sweat. I don’t remember the details. Maybe someone has heard that story?


143 posted on 03/28/2014 1:24:46 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: Paul R.

I know what you mean, FRiend, about the suffering of the Ukrainian people. I deeply feel for them. I really don’t wish evil on them. Any more than I wish evil on us. What I was, in my fit of posting, was just wishing this obscenely arrogant Marxist they elected in 2008 and un-believe-ingly re-elected in 2012 would be exposed to more foolish Americans that in some uncanny way support this destroyer of America. It was just my intense and over 5 years’ frustration with our unfortunate and dire situation.


144 posted on 03/28/2014 1:54:27 AM PDT by Two Thirds Vote Aye (I was saying 'I hope he fails' before Rush was.)
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To: paterfamilias

Zer0 cracks me up. A regional power with equal or more guided missle nukes than we.


145 posted on 03/28/2014 5:16:30 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Strategy

Let’s look at the history of the UKRAINE, shall we. When the USSR collapsed, the countries bordering Russia, wanted to separate themselves from the RUSSIAN BEAR. And they did. Unfortunately, in order to do that, they had to disarm. That was the only way they could vote for a separation. The western countries, ie; Nato and Russia agreed. Yep, Russia signed the agreement also. Every body was going to allow all these countries bordering Russia, (THAT WAS PART OF THE OLD USSR) to disarm, before they could become their own country. The Ukraine had the largest amount of ICBMs in their borders, that they had to get rid of, which they did. Because of the promise by western countries (NATO) and the new RUSSIA. Now that the NEW Russia has gotten back it’s POWER, all they had to do is renege on the promise. Which they are now doing.


146 posted on 03/28/2014 5:37:16 AM PDT by gingerbread
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To: MNDude

Don’t worry we just sent Ukraine lots of rations they can capture.


147 posted on 03/28/2014 7:43:03 AM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Strategy

We can only pray that Russia will rescue Ukrainian people who want to escape the misery of Nazi IMF held areas.


148 posted on 03/28/2014 8:20:18 AM PDT by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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To: Paul R.

A.Roth @ NYTIMES and Jim Maceda @nbc and others......TWITTER Conversation after travelin over 500 miles on the border with Ukraine/Russia.......3/27/14

..” struggling to find massed Russian armies. ....Either not there in numbers reported, or they’re very, very stealth.”

...” We saw about 20 helos at Belgorod base near the airport. Perimeter patrols. 2 dozen tents. Routine.”.......

“My understanding is they should be on the roads... Ground is too soft at this time of year to take a heavy tank off piste”

..... “do you know how much ground 1 bgde would cover? ?With all the supposed levels been quoted it’s a lot of real estate”


149 posted on 03/28/2014 9:21:44 AM PDT by caww
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To: Paul R.

A.Roth @ NYTIMES and Jim Maceda @nbc and others......TWITTER Conversation after travelin over 500 miles on the border with Ukraine/Russia.......3/27/14

..” struggling to find massed Russian armies. ....Either not there in numbers reported, or they’re very, very stealth.”

...” We saw about 20 helos at Belgorod base near the airport. Perimeter patrols. 2 dozen tents. Routine.”.......

“My understanding is they should be on the roads... Ground is too soft at this time of year to take a heavy tank off piste”

..... “do you know how much ground 1 bgde would cover? ?With all the supposed levels been quoted it’s a lot of real estate”


150 posted on 03/28/2014 9:21:45 AM PDT by caww
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