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Hospitals Plot the End of Insurance Companies
Yahoo/The Fiscal Times ^ | 3-27-14 | Rob Garver

Posted on 03/27/2014 7:09:07 PM PDT by kingattax

The problems with the implementation of the Affordable Care Act may be masking another major change in the way health care is delivered to U.S. consumers, experts believe.

At The Atlantic's Health Care Forum in Washington on Thursday, health care and business professionals said that there’s an increasing trend in the industry toward cutting insurance companies out of the process entirely, as large, regional hospital systems move into the insurance business.

Dr. Kenneth L. Davis, CEO and president of Mount Sinai Health System, the largest health care provider in the state of New York, said that starting next year, Mt. Sinai will begin offering its own Medicare Advantage plan. It will look for other opportunities to bring premium payments directly into the hospital system, rather than filtering them through insurance companies.

Davis said he expects organizations similar to his to move in the same direction. “Inevitably the large systems are going to move to take part of the premium dollar,” he said.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democratcare

1 posted on 03/27/2014 7:09:07 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Everybody will join in on the ACA government bailout gravy train.


2 posted on 03/27/2014 7:11:30 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: kingattax

If it will get the government out of it,it might be a way to go. Not sure what other implications might be as yet.


3 posted on 03/27/2014 7:12:21 PM PDT by oldtech
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To: kingattax

Fine — end insurance companies. Instead, make sure everyone has a fully-funded MSA.


4 posted on 03/27/2014 7:12:53 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: kingattax

What you will have then is defense attorney, prosecutor, judge and jury all on the same team, THE HOSPITAL TEAM.

Guess who gets screwed, YOU DO.

Right now, the prosecutor (bill collector) is the hospital, and the defense attorney is the insurance company (trying to pay as little as possible) and the judge and jury are the competitive market place.


5 posted on 03/27/2014 7:14:13 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: kingattax
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, chairman of the Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy at the University of Pennsylvania and one of the architects of the Affordable Care Act, agreed, saying that we’re beginning to see what he called the “Kaiserification” of our health care system.

Hail Kaiser?

6 posted on 03/27/2014 7:15:35 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: staytrue

I’ve wondered about plans where a range of treatments is offered under a subscription plan. This has worked for doctor offices. This doesn’t have to plug-and-play with traditional insurance at all — they can lose all the bookwork of traditional insurance and lose the need to support that.


7 posted on 03/27/2014 7:18:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: staytrue

I can just imagine the Hospital team collecting premiums and not delivering services. Talk about ‘Death Squads’!! Just cutting out the middle man, ma’am.


8 posted on 03/27/2014 7:23:14 PM PDT by griswold3 ("Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".)
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To: TBP

Insurance should be just that, Insurance. Risk management for unforeseen circumstances.
MSA’s (of HSA’s) are great for everyday occurences. But coverage for the BIG stuff like accidents and chronic diseases (cancer) is for actuaries.


9 posted on 03/27/2014 7:27:20 PM PDT by griswold3 ("Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".)
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To: kingattax

I thought they didn’t like HMOs but isn’t that another name for what they are creating?


10 posted on 03/27/2014 7:27:49 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: griswold3

The idea of an MSA is to save enough (tax free!) to cover you for any medical situation, including an emergency. It’s like an IRA for healthcare.


11 posted on 03/27/2014 7:30:12 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

Considering that a huge percentage of Americans don’t even have retirement savings, the notion of them saving up hundreds of thousands of dollars for a potential round of cancer therapy or any other expensive medical condition seems unrealistic to me.


12 posted on 03/27/2014 7:38:41 PM PDT by seacapn
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To: kingattax

Here ya go ... :-) ...

Hospitals Plot the End of Insurance Companies
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138021/posts

... from earlier ... we had some good discussions here ...


13 posted on 03/27/2014 7:39:09 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: aposiopetic

this guy can’t be at penn. Dr Mengela. he has no patients.


14 posted on 03/27/2014 7:42:52 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: kingattax
Mt. Sinai will begin offering its own Medicare Advantage plan.

Regional solutions at best

15 posted on 03/27/2014 8:12:23 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: kingattax

They are cutting their noses off to spite their faces. What an idiotic thing to do. Do they really understand what they are in for or is it another extortion?


16 posted on 03/27/2014 8:14:01 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: TBP

HSA is much better than MSA


17 posted on 03/27/2014 8:29:05 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: freekitty

If the hospitals declare war on the sick, the relatives of the sick will pay them back. It would be a short war.


18 posted on 03/27/2014 8:30:02 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Just doing laps around the sun and shaking my head that progressives can believe what they do!)
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To: seacapn

That is not how it works. An HSA requires an insurance plan be in place for the big expenses.


19 posted on 03/27/2014 8:30:07 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: kingattax

It has been my opinion for several decades, that having a middle-man in the health care chain, was a massive mistake.

Hundreds of billions of dollars are siphoned off the health care provision industry each year, without providing a dimes worth of health care to the public.

How would we like it, if when our food supply was ready to go to the market, we had to have food insurance to be able to buy the food products we need?

Would we want to see $750 billion in food insurance profits each year, realizing that $750 billion had been siphoned out of family’s pockets, reducing the money that went directly for food?

IMO, get the insurance companies out of that mix, and it goes a long way to making our health care a lot more healthy.

It frees up a massive amount of money to go directly to health care establishments, for the provision of actual services directly to patients.


20 posted on 03/27/2014 8:40:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: seacapn

While I do think you make a good point, what do you think the impact of all the insurance money going directly to hospitals would have on the average cost of prices?

I think you also lose sight of the fact that hospitals would in effect be selling policies directly to patients, allowing them to pay monthly fees for coverage.

They would be self-insuring, instead of running things through a middle-man, traditional insurance.

All this money going directly to health care would have a very positive impact on the health care industry, and I believe the public to as a result.


21 posted on 03/27/2014 8:44:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: kingattax

What is a big hospital corp with a large slice of a state’s hospital business and running a “preferred provider network” of doctors and other healthcare providers as well? A cartel.


22 posted on 03/27/2014 8:51:09 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: DoughtyOne
Don't forget to git the danged lowyers and the professional liability insurance business out of the loop too!

Oh! And by the way, remember when it was against the law for investment banks and commercial banks and insurance companies to be in business together under the Glass-Stiegel Act?

All you'd be doing is making it possible for hospital administrators to charge whatever-the-heck they felt like because they could always just raise the rates to the patients to cover it no matter how big! They'd start by making sure the rates were high enough to cover all the dead-beats that game the system and the border invaders that won't pay anybodys premiums.

I think you'd better rethink your position because right now, the only one riding herd on Dr. groups and Drug companies and greedy hospital administrations are the insurers who eak out between 3% to 5% profit as a rule.

Hey! It's all one big water balloon! You push in on it here and it pops out over there on the oposite side!!!

The only job of the insurer is to pay salaries, commissions and reserve for and pay claims!!!

C'mon man… Think!!!

23 posted on 03/27/2014 9:17:29 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Bill Clinton, America's 1st Black PresidentÂ… Obama, IS the LAST!!!)
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To: griswold3

You lose oversight of an insurance company cutting hospitals from the network for too many medical mistakes and deaths.
And patients get trapped into local networks, while hospitals get to centralize care by shutting down doctors who are independent of the hospital.


24 posted on 03/27/2014 9:25:58 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: SierraWasp

I have sat in meetings where the staff tried to come up with new ways to cut costs. I have watched as hospitals have gotten dirtier. I have watched as equipment has gotten cheaper. I have watched as hospital chains have gone belly up. I have watched trauma centers close. I have watched many other hospitals close their doors.

I have watched as employees of hospitals went with no raises for the better part of a decade, as administration officials from both parties made statements to the effect, “Well, we have to provide service to these indigents, so hospitals, doctors, and other health care providers will simply have to make do with less.”

Make do with less. It’s a joke. The Obama folks didn’t even include hospital administrators or physicians in their deliberations. They merely assumed that hospitals make a lot of money, and they could easily cut more.

Each new joker to come along fails to realize that hospitals have been under the gun to cut costs for the last thirty years. It all started with the Medical Malpractice insurance fiasco, and then the government came in behind that to limit what it would pay for each specific purpose, and then the insurance companies saw that and decided they would do the same thing.

Are you aware that some hospitals today actually provide maternity services at a loss? Are you aware that the DRGs often don’t cover the costs the hospital incurs on a patient? Are you aware that an indigent patient can come into a hospital, get an attorney, and be almost impossible to evict?

Yes, please do think...


25 posted on 03/27/2014 9:50:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: staytrue

“What you will have then is defense attorney, prosecutor, judge and jury all on the same team, THE HOSPITAL TEAM.”

You are correct, and this would be a disaster, for a great number of reasons.


26 posted on 03/28/2014 2:36:42 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: MtnClimber

The need to quell the herd, baby boomers reaching old age is not acceptable, solent green on the way. The longer we stay alive the longer we collect our social security we legitimatley paid into all our lives, you know the bottomless pit the politicians have emptied TO SATISFY THEIR ENTITLEMENT CONSTITUTANCY leaving behind an IOU.


27 posted on 03/28/2014 4:14:41 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Im missing a jumbo jet with 235 passengers has anyone seen it?)
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