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New federal rule could end recycling practice that benefits brewers, farmers and environment
Post Standard: Syracuse ^ | 03.28.14 | Don Cazentre

Posted on 03/28/2014 4:18:06 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

Brewers need a way to dispose of the wet and mushy grains that are a byproduct of making beer. Farmers are looking for inexpensive but healthful feed for their livestock.

So breweries across the country -- including those here in Central New York -- donate their used grains to local farmers. It's free: The farmers just stop by the breweries and cart the stuff away, usually in large plastic containers.

It's a classic example of reuse and recycling, but a provision in the proposed federal Food Safety Modernization Act might bring it to an end.

The proposed rule would require brewers to dry the grains out and package them so they can't be contaminated by human contact. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration says the change is designed to "provide greater assurance that animal food is safe and will not cause illness or injury to animals or humans."

But the change would require time, labor, packaging, record-keeping and maybe even equipment that the brewers say they can't afford. And brewers argue there's no evidence the current practice is unsafe.

"If we had to do all that, then we'd just dump it in a landfill," said Marc Rubenstein of Middle Ages Brewing Co. in Syracuse. "And that would be a shame because it's perfect for the farmers the way it is now."

(Excerpt) Read more at syracuse.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: beer; epa; farms; grain

1 posted on 03/28/2014 4:18:06 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Hieronymus; VampireStateNY; governsleastgovernsbest; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; ...

Upstate bump


3 posted on 03/28/2014 4:19:56 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

It really doesn’t take a genius (or even Biden) to figure out that ANY of these Draconian Measures these idiots try to impose on the rest of us are NOT for the benefit of any one, person or environment, BUT just things that bring the most PAIN to those affected.

Believe it was the ‘leader’ of Greenpeace - from his seaside Palace in Ireland - that said ‘Just because I don’t live what I preach doesn’t mean that I am wrong’ OR some such drivel double speak.


4 posted on 03/28/2014 4:27:16 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The leftover mash would have to be bone dry if used for feed. Many years ago I’d spend weekends on my uncle’s farm, his neighbor brewed a lot of beer and dried the mash to use as feed. All too often my uncle’s cows would get loose and raid the mash bin before it was dry. Drunk cows aren’t a pretty sight.


5 posted on 03/28/2014 4:28:37 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Between this, the denial of water for irrigation to California farmers, and other actions, you could almost wonder if Hussein’s trying his version of Stalin’s artificially-induced famine on the kulaks. Plus siccing the IRS on the Tea Party, directing that immigration laws be ignored, ignoring states’ referendums which oppose sodomite unions through judicial fiat, and more.


6 posted on 03/28/2014 4:31:16 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The government is just there to get in the way now. It’s infested with egomaniacal ideologues who want to invade every single area of our lives for no other reason except that they can.


7 posted on 03/28/2014 4:34:06 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: R. Scott

“Drunk cows aren’t a pretty sight.”

Kinda makes you feel sorry for Hillary’s security detail doesn’t it?


8 posted on 03/28/2014 4:37:05 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: mrsmel

Ridiculous! Absolutely ridiculous what these ass hats are coming up with. How about them working on things of more importance, like “impeachment” for example?


9 posted on 03/28/2014 4:37:36 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

“Distiller’s grains” have been used to feed animals for many years, possibly since distilling began.

Grain products that are 30% protein with relatively high fat content are NOT waste products.

No need to dry it if there’s a big enough local market. Ethanol plants near Kansas feedlots have trucks lined up to get the stuff.


10 posted on 03/28/2014 4:41:37 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: mrsmel

Makes one wonder how the government might be different if it was run by Bill Ayers types from the WeatherUnderground that believe the population needs a major culling.


11 posted on 03/28/2014 4:43:39 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Progov

I wish, but we would need a Senate majority, and even then it would need to be true conservatives and not GOPe, which is what we are stuck with in the Senate for the most part.

Then there are all the implications of having that escaped circus clown Biden next in line. The only thing, off the top of my head, which would make him better, is that hatred of whites isn’t presumably his top priority.

We’d also have to get rid of that white-hating Holder while we’re at it.


12 posted on 03/28/2014 4:45:55 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Regulating for regulations sake. This is what happens when you have people who don’t know their a$$ from a hole in the ground writing regulations.


13 posted on 03/28/2014 4:47:01 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: R. Scott

There is no alcohol in the mash, its just basically sugar water. It wont have any alcohol til the yeast are added after the mash is long done.
I just dump mine in the garden. But i know other brewers make bread with theirs.
the mash is just soaking the grain in hot water at a specific temp to release certain sugars and enzymes...
Only the little yeasties can make delicious beer...


14 posted on 03/28/2014 4:53:38 AM PDT by wyowolf
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To: C210N

For all we know, that’s whose running it, those types, backed by Soros money. The only policy in which Hussein seems to take a real, personal, hands-on interest, is anything anti-white. Just think, most of his off-the-cuff, non-teleprompter remarks have been when he’s stuck his nose in some racial matter, always jumping the gun without the facts (the Gates affair, “my son” St Skittles, conniving with Holder to prevent black male students to not be suspended or expelled in “disparate” numbers while “Zero Tolerance” is applied to white students, his new program “My Brother’s Keeper” in which whites need not apply, and more.


15 posted on 03/28/2014 4:54:31 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: wyowolf

I’m pretty sure they’re talking distiller’s grains here, after the fermentation process. It does contain trace amounts of alcohol and sugar, but more than trace amounts indicate problems in the fermentation process for a commercial producer.


16 posted on 03/28/2014 5:02:01 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

So are the republicans in the house going to defund enforcement of this like they did light bulbs?


17 posted on 03/28/2014 5:26:37 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: R. Scott

The leftover mash would have to be bone dry if used for feed. Many years ago I’d spend weekends on my uncle’s farm, his neighbor brewed a lot of beer and dried the mash to use as feed. All too often my uncle’s cows would get loose and raid the mash bin before it was dry. Drunk cows aren’t a pretty sight.


Not necessarily a concern if the solids are removed from the before fermentation.


18 posted on 03/28/2014 5:26:49 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: jjotto

ok that could be, i assumed Beer making.


19 posted on 03/28/2014 5:40:17 AM PDT by wyowolf
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To: wyowolf

Not a bad assumption, given the references in the article to brewers and breweries.


20 posted on 03/28/2014 5:57:46 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Okey dokey, so the brewers can contract out their “waste” disposal for 10 cents a load. If the “contractor” just happens to dump it at the pig farm, oh well.


21 posted on 03/28/2014 6:29:58 AM PDT by bgill
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To: C210N

Funny how Ayers & Co. haven’t culled themselves to set an example.


22 posted on 03/28/2014 6:32:50 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

These days, the government is like a giant, 900-pound retarded troll in a china shop.

Everywhere they turn, they end up trashing the joint.

The winter shortage of propane for peasant home heating and the attendant high prices and financial suffering were DIRECTLY caused by the evil retarded .govtroll INSISTING that we adulterate the gasoline supply with ethanol (which trashes small engines).

Farmers burned a lot of propane drying the bumper corn harvest.

Thanks, .govtroll!


23 posted on 03/28/2014 6:46:18 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

And God forbid one sells or purchases raw milk.


24 posted on 03/28/2014 6:56:10 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: C210N
Makes one wonder how the government might be different if it was run by Bill Ayers types from the WeatherUnderground that believe the population needs a major culling.

Coming soon when the next ice age kicks in....

25 posted on 03/28/2014 6:56:42 AM PDT by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: xrmusn

It really doesn’t take a genius (or even Biden) to figure out that ANY of these Draconian Measures these idiots try to impose on the rest of us are NOT for the benefit of any one, person or environment, BUT just things that bring the most PAIN to those affected.

***
Under the Soros Administration, it is a given that rules are passed with the deliberate intent of hobbling or destroying whichever industry is involved. When enough businesses are killed off the economy collapses, and one of the left’s main goals is accomplished.


26 posted on 03/28/2014 6:59:00 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: mrsmel

Indeed.


27 posted on 03/28/2014 7:00:06 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: headstamp 2

The government is just there to get in the way now. It’s infested with egomaniacal ideologues who want to invade every single area of our lives for no other reason except that they can.

***
Oh, no, the main reason is to destroy the economy and, thus, bring down the US.


28 posted on 03/28/2014 7:01:12 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: R. Scott
Drunk cows aren’t a pretty sight.


29 posted on 03/28/2014 7:01:27 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: wyowolf

But i know other brewers make bread with theirs.

&&&
Thanks so much for that information. I am preparing to brew beer for the first time, and I will now look for recipes for the spent grain.


30 posted on 03/28/2014 7:07:47 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Gee. Does Monsanto or ADM have anything to do with this? Here in the PNW there are brewpubs that have arrangments with local farmers that provide the meat from animals fed the very same mash that was used to brew the beer you’re having.


31 posted on 03/28/2014 7:11:32 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Bigg Red

if you havent already go to Home Brew Talk.com great sight with everything you could ever want to know about all things brewing... the forums are especially useful. TONS of receipes for every Beer you would want to make...


32 posted on 03/28/2014 7:15:42 AM PDT by wyowolf
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

— Believe it was the ‘leader’ of Greenpeace - from his seaside Palace in Ireland - that said ‘Just because I don’t live what I preach doesn’t mean that I am wrong’ —

I told a commie college professor that he ought to preach what he practices.
Or he could actually live the commie life.
He could start by giving all his students a “C” grade as their introduction to socialism.


33 posted on 03/28/2014 8:07:04 AM PDT by Zuse
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To: wyowolf

Thank you. Will check out that website.


34 posted on 03/28/2014 9:34:11 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: R. Scott

I bet they are a lot easier to tip though..... ;-)


35 posted on 03/28/2014 10:33:23 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: b4its2late

They did it themselves!


36 posted on 03/28/2014 12:59:19 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: R. Scott

Jack Daniels Distillery has sold off the spent mash for at least 40 years that I am aware of. The hot spent mash is loaded into tank trucks, which drive to a farm and discharge it into troughs; cattle love it.

Sometimes not all of the alcohol is recovered from the mash; and you are right — drunk cows aren’t a pretty sight.


37 posted on 03/28/2014 2:29:55 PM PDT by Mack the knife
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To: Mack the knife
Sometimes not all of the alcohol is recovered from the mash; and you are right — drunk cows aren’t a pretty sight.

Spent mash contains no alcohol.
38 posted on 03/28/2014 5:48:50 PM PDT by WackySam (Obama got Osama just like Nixon landed on the moon.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Well this lines up with the EPA trying to reduce cow flatulence.
39 posted on 03/29/2014 5:29:20 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother ("When leftists don’t get their way, they start shooting people and bombing buildings." - rr)
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