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ANALYSIS: Ukraine crisis: Can a weakened NATO stand up to Putin?
CBC.ca News ^ | March 28, 2014 | By Brian Stewart

Posted on 03/28/2014 12:14:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've now heard from the supreme commander of NATO in Europe, Gen. Philip Breedlove, that the 150,000 Russian combat troops on Ukraine's eastern border are "very, very sizable and very, very ready."

NATO on the other hand is "unwilling, unable and unready," at least if you go by some of its vocal military critics in recent years.

Breedlove would contest that description, and NATO remains, after all, the largest and most successful military alliance in history. The problem with history, however, is that the 28-nation alliance has seen better and certainly more coherent days.

From a military standpoint, the Ukraine crisis hits Europe at a time when its European members have slashed $45 billion from their militaries in recent years (the equivalent of the entire German defence budget).

Those cuts have left the U.S. to carry 75 per cent of the NATO burden, and they are coming at a time when Washington has been showing much less interest in European security, as it "pivots" its military strategy to the Pacific.

By contrast, Russian military spending has surged 92 per cent in just four years and will rise by 18 per cent this year, according to the authoritative Janes Defence Weekly military publications and Russian state figures.

Clearly, NATO did not expect to see this echo of the Cold War erupt, and defence analysts are wondering just how fit and flexible the alliance will be if tensions escalate further — not just along Ukraine's borders, but in other areas where NATO members abut Russia.

The immediate need is to ensure those same very ready Russian forces don't move into eastern and southern Ukraine, as they did in Crimea, to "protect" Russian speaking minorities, as Vladimir Putin would have it.

This would be a catastrophe for both Ukraine and the stabilityof Europe.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: nato; obama; putin; russia; ukraine
"European countries have been cutting defence spending, Russia hasn't."
1 posted on 03/28/2014 12:14:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

The answer is no. NATO, under current leadership, cannot stand up to Russia.

Yes, Russia has been spending the past 20 years preparing for an inevitable war with the West. Its intentions have always been clear and only fools have thought otherwise.


2 posted on 03/28/2014 12:15:38 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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We haven’t practiced Reforger since 1993. Will those old tanks even start? And who wants to eat those MRE’s?


3 posted on 03/28/2014 12:20:32 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Jim Robinson

Europe learned so much from the lead up to WWII. /s


4 posted on 03/28/2014 12:21:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Today’s Russia isn’t yesterday’s Soviet Union, and that has to be taken into account. It’s an electronic society, and public opinion must be considered.

That said, there has never been a better time for Russia to settle some accounts, as recent events have proven, but the window for that kind of action is short.

Big moves, like invading Europe, or Poland, just aren’t on the table, IMO, but moves like Eastern Ukraine, or settling the Tajikistan border are.

NATO won’t move unless a NATO member is threatened, and Putin knows it. Europe is just too dependent on Russian Energy for that.

The Wild Card in all of this really is Obama. Putin keeps jabbing, and the Narcissist-in-chief is liable to do something stupid. Like call Russia a “Regional Power” than can just be ignored.


5 posted on 03/28/2014 12:24:03 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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6 posted on 03/28/2014 12:24:22 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Jim Robinson
It is a hard world out there when you don't take your own defense seriously and expect others to pay their own treasure/blood to defend you...

From a military standpoint, the Ukraine crisis hits Europe at a time when its European members have slashed $45 billion from their militaries in recent years (the equivalent of the entire German defence budget).

7 posted on 03/28/2014 12:24:58 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Jim Robinson

Can Putin take down an armed population?


8 posted on 03/28/2014 12:25:26 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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“Those cuts have left the U.S. to carry 75 per cent of the NATO burden....”

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Why in hell did we not protest but continued giving in to the European demands?

It hurt our country and Europe is in deep doo-doo all the same.

Hey you a-hole Euros — cut your vacations back to a couple of weeks per year and start paying for the freedom that you have enjoyed since the end of WWII.


9 posted on 03/28/2014 12:31:11 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Dead Dog
Can Putin take down an armed population?

Obama's working hard on it.

10 posted on 03/28/2014 12:32:08 PM PDT by shove_it (my real nickname is Otter)
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To: gura

I’d like to think that wouldn’t be the result, but I sure don’t feel comfortable with the idea.


11 posted on 03/28/2014 12:33:20 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: tcrlaf

Can’t you see Commander Obama leading his troops deep into Russian held territory? Gives an entire new meaning to, “Charge of the light brigade.”


12 posted on 03/28/2014 12:33:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: 2banana

Having lived in Europe for many years, I can tell you that they will never even attempt to defend their own country. They have been wussified by their good life. They have counted on the US to protect them and finance them.
Now we have an orator in the white house who thinks that flowery speeches will lull Putin to sleep and he will sing Kum ba ya with Obama.
Well, all of Europe is at his beckon call. Just march in, no one will disturb him and his troops.
Sad


13 posted on 03/28/2014 12:35:40 PM PDT by americanbychoice3
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To: Jim Robinson

Obama wouldn’t be leading anything. Some of his hate-filled radical minions, on the other hand...

One could EASILY see some of them as extermination camp commanders.


14 posted on 03/28/2014 12:41:19 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Jim Robinson

My prayers are said Jim to be wrong.


15 posted on 03/28/2014 12:47:14 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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ANALYSIS: Ukraine crisis: Can a weakened NATO stand up to Putin?

The simple fact is that the whole "Civilized" world has been depending on the USA to pull their chestnuts out of the fire since about 1917. When the USA elected weak leaders the dictators took it as a sign that the restrictions were off. They rushed in to fill the void and here we are again. Like it or not, we have been and still are looked upon as the go to guy when the sheite hits the fan. As RR said,"If not now when. If not us who?"

16 posted on 03/28/2014 12:54:58 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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But, but Commander Obama says no troops this time. He’s sending Ready to Eat Meals instead. Looks like the Russians will have plenty to eat the day after they roll.


17 posted on 03/28/2014 1:00:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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Jim

I continue to ask myself: If Germany, France, Italy and Poland will not spend at a reasonable level to defend themselves and Europe, why should we?

All of them are UNDER 2% of GDP for defense while the US spends 4.4% and all the blood.

Why not notify them they have 5 years to reach 3% and certain, defined readiness/capability measures...or we're going home.

18 posted on 03/28/2014 1:01:38 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Jim Robinson

When is someone going to stand up to the real danger to the USA and the reast of Humanity - the Globo-Marxist in the White House.


19 posted on 03/28/2014 1:02:16 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: gura

The tanks are not there anymore, we shipped them all back home or to the middle east. So they are going to have to float all the way back to Europe. When is the last time anyone has done opposed convoy ops?


20 posted on 03/28/2014 1:03:23 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: ClayinVA

Every P-3 and P-8 we have is looking for MH370. Is the SOSUS line even up? Maybe we should send a MEB to Iceland just in case.....


21 posted on 03/28/2014 1:05:20 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: ClayinVA
Not to mention the fact that we would have 140k troops stuck in Afghanistan when the balloon goes up.

And THAT would suck.

22 posted on 03/28/2014 1:07:32 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Jim Robinson

No US ground troops to Ukraine. Europe will have to step up. NO more American troops doing the hard work and dying so that Europe can keep their socialist economies growing at the expense of US troops.

I am sick of it and I am not alone.


23 posted on 03/28/2014 1:12:43 PM PDT by dforest
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Obama agrees with you completely.


24 posted on 03/28/2014 1:14:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: dforest

You are worrying yourself sick over nothing. No troops are going to Ukraine.

BTW, I agree that Euros should be spending more money on defense. However, their 2% of GDP is much more than the Russian’s paltry 2 Trillion dollar economy can spend at over 4%.

Together, the EU with no US input, has an economy of approximately 16 Trillion GDP....So, 2 percent of that is much higher than 4 percent of Russia’s 2 Trillion economy.


25 posted on 03/28/2014 1:16:49 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Do you really want this CIC to send troops. What will he send them with? Spitballs?

He has gotten more Americans killed than all the time Bush was in office.

Yeah, lets send some poor suckers to lose life and limb for this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138472/posts


26 posted on 03/28/2014 1:18:29 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Mariner
I continue to ask myself: If Germany, France, Italy and Poland will not spend at a reasonable level to defend themselves and Europe, why should we?

AFAIK France is over 2%. As a interesting side-note: If you take France, Germany, Italy, Poland and the UK together, they spend twice as much as Russia, and that's probably even at PPP (purchasing power parity).
27 posted on 03/28/2014 1:20:03 PM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: dforest

This CIC? No, of course not. He’s been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and intends to live up to it. Peace through strength ended the day he was elected. The rest of the story is written in blood on the pages of history—which we are doomed to repeat.


28 posted on 03/28/2014 1:25:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Right now I am not all that certain that Obama isn’t working with Putin. Playing a game maybe. Obama sure has made life easier for Putin, hasn’t he?

If Obama was forced to send US troops, those poor guys will be set up to fail. Remember when our corrupt Democrat overlords and their media henchmen ragged on Bush because they wanted news video of all the coffins coming back from Iraq? That disappeared when the Clown was responsible for the bodies in those coffins. Pfft...gone, just like that.

We are really in an ugly mess. Perhaps we should have stood up against Obama before we got here. Imagine 3 more years. We could be in gulags or laboring in a tater factory for the regime.


29 posted on 03/28/2014 1:33:29 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Jim Robinson

You are perfectly correct. History being rewritten as we speak. And the tyrants are using the same rationale for annexing other nation’s sovereign land....”protecting ethnic speaking German/Russian minorities”.

And the same bunch of useful idiot appeasers are stepping up to the plate to do their Neville Chamberlain impressions.

We will not fight in Ukraine, as we were asleep at the switch. But any attack on a NATO country will be repelled. And that includes Estonia.

It is amazing to watch conservatives here so casually talking about dividing up nations and doling others out, in the future.


30 posted on 03/28/2014 1:37:42 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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