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Wind power hits Texas record
Fuel Fix ^ | March 28, 2014 | Emily Pickrell

Posted on 03/28/2014 1:24:37 PM PDT by thackney

New West Texas transmission lines helped Lone Star wind power reach new gusty heights, hitting a record of more than 10,000 megawatts of generation late Wednesday night.

The new West Texas transmission lines – with the unwieldy name of Competitive Renewable Energy Zone lines – cost the state almost $7 billion by the time they were completed last December, but are expected to earn their keep, giving the state the ability to nearly double its use of wind energy.

“These Texas wind records were made possible by the completion of the Competitive Renewable Energy Zone transmission lines earlier this year,” said Michael Goggin, the transmission expert for the American Wind Energy Association in a written statement “These power lines connect world-class wind energy resource areas in West Texas and the Texas Panhandle to electricity demand centers in other parts of the state.”

Wind generation accounted for nearly 30 percent of the 35,768 megawatts of electricity at its peak that evening, and made up nearly 40 percent the following morning, according to the American Wind Energy Association.

One megawatt is enough electricity to power about 200 homes during periods when electric use is highest and about 500 homes during mild weather when less electricity is being consumed.

The new record beats a prior one earlier this month by more than 600 megawatts, and is also the record for wind generation in any U.S. power system.

The new West Texas transmission lines, an almost $7 billion investment completed last December, are expected to allow the state to nearly double its use of wind energy, Goggin said.

The Texas grid has more than 11,000 Megawatts of commercial wind power capacity, as well as an additional 8,000 megawatts of projects in development and another 26,700 megawatts under study, according to the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which manages the grid for about 90 percent of the state.

Wind power made up 9.9 percent of the total energy used in the Texas region in 2013, up from 9.2 percent in 2012.


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1 posted on 03/28/2014 1:24:37 PM PDT by thackney
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2 posted on 03/28/2014 1:25:49 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
OK; is wind power worth it or not?
3 posted on 03/28/2014 1:29:20 PM PDT by henkster (I don't like bossy women telling me what words I can't use.)
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To: thackney

The fact that you can build new transmission lines anywhere today is remarkable. Wind may work well with combined cycle generation as the combustion turbine can get to 100% power in a few minutes when the wind dies down.

Not surprised it is in Texas which has become the last holdout for the American economic system.


4 posted on 03/28/2014 1:33:29 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: thackney

They also should report the tens of thousands of birds (eagles and hawks included) and bats these monstrosities have killed. Woe be to the oil producer who has an oil spill or tank uncovered and a bird finds its way to his location. $10,000 fine, automatic.


5 posted on 03/28/2014 1:33:44 PM PDT by CedarDave (John Bolton comparing Kerry to Putin: "A cupcake negotiating with a steak knife.")
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To: henkster

There are places where it may make sense, and places where it doesn’t. It’s just not viable for anything other than a supplemental source of power on a large scale.


6 posted on 03/28/2014 1:34:32 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: thackney
hitting a record of more than 10,000 megawatts of generation late Wednesday night.

And today?
7 posted on 03/28/2014 1:37:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: thackney

it’s quite a sight to seem them out in west Texas. Didn’t ever realize just how big those things are.


8 posted on 03/28/2014 1:37:37 PM PDT by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: cripplecreek

Lets just say on Wednesday the wind was blowing shingles off house’s in Howard county.


9 posted on 03/28/2014 1:41:04 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: henkster

No, it’s not. It is expensive beyond anything else, unreliable (the wind doesn’t always blow), and fully dependent on Government subsidies to make it even barely viable. Not to mention its deleterious effects on wildlife and plain ruination of many beautiful areas now blighted by eyesores.

Wind Power is a worthless waste. A green scam like all the rest.


10 posted on 03/28/2014 1:42:19 PM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: 12th_Monkey

There was a time when I could sit on the back part of the ranch and not see a one. Now I count over 300 close and on the horizon.


11 posted on 03/28/2014 1:43:06 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: BrewingFrog

I agree and when they break down or require a fix they usually just sit there and rust. Isn’t that the case often in California? How long to recoup 7 billion plus upkeep and labor and anything else and they never get out of the red. No sense at all.


12 posted on 03/28/2014 1:47:43 PM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: henkster

Of course it’s worth it, but the thing is, you have to get government out of the electric generation business and then start demanding rate cuts after a specific amount of time since government and the utilities don’t make or generate the wind.


13 posted on 03/28/2014 1:47:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: BrewingFrog

“No, it’s not. It is expensive beyond anything else, unreliable (the wind doesn’t always blow), and fully dependent on Government subsidies to make it even barely viable. Not to mention its deleterious effects on wildlife and plain ruination of many beautiful areas now blighted by eyesores.”

And Texas, of all places is falling for such a scam that not only rips off the taxpayers of Texas, but cuts into the profits of oil and gas companies based in the Lone Star State.

How on earth, you have to wonder, did the Texas Legislature and Governor fall for the wind power scam?


14 posted on 03/28/2014 1:48:30 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: henkster
OK; is wind power worth it or not?

No! Without taxpayer subsidies these endeavors would never see the light of day.

Fossil fuels are much more efficient at delivering our needed energy needs. We have many 100s of years of easily accessible energy.

If wind power and solar power had to succeed strictly in the marketplace then 99.9% of all the evil Green garbage would disappear.

15 posted on 03/28/2014 1:50:04 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: cicero2k

For perfect reliability, you just need a gas turbine to power a big fan in front of each wind turbine.


16 posted on 03/28/2014 1:50:35 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: henkster

Yes it’s definitely worth it.


17 posted on 03/28/2014 1:51:36 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: henkster

The only way I can see the wind thing working is if there were some way to capture the energy NOT being used, and store it until its needed.

But they dont make batteries that big, do they?


18 posted on 03/28/2014 1:54:06 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Oliviaforever

Look to your state economic development fund/agency/bureau etc. The green energy scams have found a ready source of funding in them.


19 posted on 03/28/2014 1:54:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

“For perfect reliability, you just need a gas turbine to power a big fan in front of each wind turbine.”
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Or a bunch of new well-paid federal employees (with an appropriate number of supporting managers, executives and union officials) sitting on a platform in front of the turbine “fanning” it.


20 posted on 03/28/2014 1:54:57 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Oliviaforever
How on earth, you have to wonder, did the Texas Legislature and Governor fall for the wind power scam?

The citizens of Texas likely would not want this Wind scam.

Politics the world over is pretty much dominated by one type of individual -- sadistic control freaks.

Our Founders clearly saw the type of person that would seek political office -- mostly evil and scummy. That is why they tried their best to keep government "weak" and chained down by the constitution.

21 posted on 03/28/2014 1:55:25 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: Oliviaforever
How on earth, you have to wonder, did the Texas Legislature and Governor fall for the wind power scam?

Follow the money. The billion$ being pumped out of the ratepower and taxpayer for this subsidized temple to Gaia flows to landowners, windmill builders and installers, transmission line operators, from all of them to politicians. The greenies fly cover for the politicians, giving them a 'holy' excuse for accepting the graft.

22 posted on 03/28/2014 2:03:52 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
For perfect reliability, you just need a gas turbine to power a big fan in front of each wind turbine.

Oh, Wile E. Coyote Power Generation Co., powered by Acme.

23 posted on 03/28/2014 2:05:05 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: DungeonMaster
Yes it’s definitely worth it.

I guess you like the taxpayers being raped to support this nonviable program?

If you think it is "worth" it then why don't you advocate the removal off ALL taxpayer subsidies. Second, why don't you then invest your funds and see how viable it is after a few years. I would say you would be bankrupt.

You may think it is worth it, but it is immoral to use the "force" of government to take taxpayer funds to subsidize a product (windmill/solar to produce energy) that would not stand if left on it's own, especially when there are many alternative products already existing that provide energy at much lower unit costs.

24 posted on 03/28/2014 2:05:05 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: Dusty Road

So much for the wide openness of west texas


25 posted on 03/28/2014 2:08:02 PM PDT by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: BrewingFrog

And these wind mills just ruin the countryside — they’re butt ugly.


26 posted on 03/28/2014 2:08:25 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: sand88

The bottom line is ALWAYS money in pockets and anything will pass!

There are HEFTY wind royalties for the wind turbines...so the ranchers get a check for the wind and then below for the oil and gas....!!!!

Pump it TEXAS!!!


27 posted on 03/28/2014 2:10:37 PM PDT by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: Oliviaforever

>How on earth, you have to wonder, did the Texas Legislature and Governor fall for the wind power scam?<

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Simple.

Campaign contributions from energy companies.

With enough money, you can buy off anyone.


28 posted on 03/28/2014 2:12:17 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: YouGoTexasGirl
The bottom line is ALWAYS money in pockets and anything will pass!

Yep, that describes the scummy human drawn to politics. Very few people of virtue are in government office today.

Most bureaucrats definitely fall into the evil sadistic class. They relish bringing pain and misery to people who just want to live their lives in freedom and peace.

Government at all levels is accelerating towards despotism.

29 posted on 03/28/2014 2:30:46 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: 353FMG
With enough money, you can buy off anyone.

True enough. Most people would wrongly believe that with enough campaign finance reform or such that the problem would be lessened. Mostly people of the lowest of character are attracted to government positions.

As John Adams stated, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

Our Republic is in definite decline due to the numerous cretins that fill it's offices at the local, state, and federal level.

30 posted on 03/28/2014 2:45:13 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: BrewingFrog
The viability of wind depends on the price of natural gas, or where do the developers think the price of natural gas is going.

Four days ago Obama awarded the 7th LNG export permit. And because of Ukraine, many are calling to approve more/faster. Almost all new power plants being built are natural gas fired. More and more nat gas is being used for transportation.

If the price of nat gas goes up, coal, nukes, wind, solar become more competitive.

31 posted on 03/28/2014 2:51:54 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Vermont Lt
But they dont make batteries that big, do they?

IIRC, there is a set of wind turbines in Norway near a hydroelectric dam. They are able to use the wind energy to pump water back into the reservoir, which they can then release as they need it.

32 posted on 03/28/2014 3:00:38 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: Dusty Road

All to make a greenie in Austin feel good.


33 posted on 03/28/2014 3:00:40 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Ben Ficklin
If the price of nat gas goes up, coal, nukes, wind, solar become more competitive.

Without taxpayer subsidies none of the wind farms would even exist. Wind farms are strictly a non-market product pushed by evil Green leftist and corrupt cronyism paid for on the backs of taxpayers.

The Earth has immense reserves of very accessible, clean sources of energy. The biggest impediment to cheap energy the world over is busy-body politicians and corrupt businesses.

34 posted on 03/28/2014 3:04:20 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: sand88
All the tax subsidies have expired and they are still putting up windmills.

Just a few month ago, Mid-America Holdings placed the largest order ever for wind turbines, and none of those will be subsidized.

On the other hand, there have been some recent events that draw attention to the externalized cost of coal that coal power plant owner or rate payer don't have to pay for. That is the health and environmental costs of coal that get socialized. Who is paying for that big coal chemical spill in Kentucky. The coal company ain't. Who's paying for the coal ash spill?

All these external costs of burning coal get socialized and you like it because you are a rightwing socialist.

35 posted on 03/28/2014 3:18:43 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
All the tax subsidies have expired and they are still putting up windmills.

Bull. LOL you are a fool to believe such lies. Show me the proof. If not for tax breaks no wind farm would go up. Tax breaks the world over are the only reason these monstrosities go up.

That is the health and environmental costs of coal that get socialized. Who is paying for that big coal chemical spill in Kentucky. The coal company ain't. Who's paying for the coal ash spill?

In a just society any company that damages the public should indeed be liable for all costs involved. I never implied otherwise. I believe in strict liability, not crony capitalism.

All these external costs of burning coal get socialized and you like it because you are a rightwing socialist.

Right wing Socialist?? LOL Touched a nerve, did I? You are truly mentally challenged to come to that conclusion. LOL You are wound too tight. Then again, most masquerading leftists show their true hatred when their taxpayer supported fantasies are exposed for the frauds they are.

Please, seek professional help. I truly pity you. Please go and stay at the DUmp, the site of all those who hate capitalism and believe in the fantasy of a green paradise.

36 posted on 03/28/2014 3:30:32 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Ha, MidAmerican Energy, owned by Obama’s big buddy, Warren, the socialist Buffet. Buffet believes only in corrupt crony capitalism. He is behind killing the Keystone Pipeline. Buffet does not believe in true marketplace competiton.

A quick google search has the below snippet MidAmerican Energy

Federal policy and tax credits that help keep renewables on a level playing field with more mature electricity sources figure into MidAmerican’s strategy, according to Weisgall.

Again, none of these idiotic wind farms would exist without taxypayer provided subsidies. Buffet is the worse kind of crony capitalist.

Take your pathetic anti-Liberty, anti-Capitalist lies elsewhere.

37 posted on 03/28/2014 3:43:48 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: sand88; Ben Ficklin
Ben Ficklin said: "All the tax subsidies have expired and they are still putting up windmills."

That is incorrect. The subsidies were discontinued for new windmills only. See http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-09/wind-energy-companies-prepare-for-tax-credits-end

The tax credit lasts for 10 years after a project is complete, so most of the wind energy produced in the U.S. will continue to receive federal support for at least a few more years. And any wind turbine that was under construction before the end of last year will still get a full decade of credits. But projects that get under way from now on won’t qualify for the benefits.

Ben Ficklin also said "All these external costs of burning coal get socialized".

Unfortunately all the external costs of my wood stove are socialized as well. I use it in part because of the shutting down of coal plants raising my electric rates. The coal electric plant is a point source and a lot of pollution can be controlled at the source. That is not true with my wood stove.

38 posted on 03/28/2014 3:47:45 PM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: Army Air Corps
All to make a greenie in Austin feel good.

Not only Austin, but here. See my post#36, 37...

Green energy is just another feel good rip-off of the taxpayer.

I predict within 20 years most of these ridiculous wind farms will be taken down. Even with the taxpayer subsidies, the life-cycle maintenance costs will doom them. More and more people will wake up to the scam.

39 posted on 03/28/2014 3:49:52 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: Oliviaforever; cripplecreek
How on earth, you have to wonder, did the Texas Legislature and Governor fall for the wind power scam?

Fall?! LOL! There's backroom money in them thar windmills. The only ones falling are the taxpayers that subsidize them via the Guv's legislative sanctioned slush fund. Crony capitalism isn't just for sleazy democrats.

40 posted on 03/28/2014 3:54:54 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: palmer
Unfortunately all the external costs of my wood stove are socialized as well. I use it in part because of the shutting down of coal plants raising my electric rates. The coal electric plant is a point source and a lot of pollution can be controlled at the source. That is not true with my wood stove.

Brilliantly put. Thank you.

Even though subsidies for new windmills have stopped I am certain the crazies in Washington will institute various new programs to keep the taxpayer funds flowing to these Green fantasies.

41 posted on 03/28/2014 3:54:58 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: thackney

The future of wind is pretty dim

t Boone pickens sold out his wind holdings and is now bullish on natural gas.

there is so much natural gas in the united States and the capacity for it is skyrocketing— making wind relatively expensive as an energy resource.

I think they can keep what they have in the system but there is little point in building more wind power.

As others have said, an honest assessment admits that one of their important daily functions is killing huge numbers of birds.

If fossil fuels killed one tenth the birds these things do, they would be and have been shut down.


42 posted on 03/28/2014 3:58:39 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent / Cruz 2016)
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To: palmer; sand88
If the two of you were really, really opposed to subsidies, you'd go after nukes and ethanol.

The reason Texas goes for wind is that the state is going to grow and needs to lower emissions.

Who knows? The Texas delegation is very powerful in the GOP. Maybe they can get these wind subsidies re-instated. And retroactive.

43 posted on 03/28/2014 4:01:13 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: sand88

I’m a hydro pimp myself.

If you want to go green, go green that actually works by re powering some of the thousands of existing dams in this country. Modern retrofits are expensive but the operational lifespans are many times that of windmills and the water flows every day all day. Not to mention the high value lake front property plus revenue generated by boating and fishing.


44 posted on 03/28/2014 4:04:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Ben Ficklin; sand88
If the two of you were really, really opposed to subsidies, you'd go after nukes and ethanol.

If you were really really opposed to subsidies you would be opposed to solar, both thermal and photovoltaic. In the case of solar thermal, it is very expensive and stupid since the motors will degrade in the desert environment.. Photovoltaic is just expensive, and only makes sense in the desert SW or southern California where the sunshine mostly coincides with the energy need for A/C.

I am adamantly opposed to offshore wind whereas wind in Texas has a somewhat reasonable cost (hence the subsidy phaseout). I would certainly oppose any wind power being built around here (Virginia). It is done in WV but is basically a joke there.

45 posted on 03/28/2014 4:12:44 PM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: Ben Ficklin
If the two of you were really, really opposed to subsidies, you'd go after nukes and ethanol.

I am opposed to all taxpayer subsides to any industry or group.

Ethanol is another evil that should not exist.

The reason Texas goes for wind is that the state is going to grow and needs to lower emissions.

Lower emissions? Please tell me you aren't into the AGW scam. Considering geologic timescales, the level of Carbon in the atmosphere is actually on the low side. If anything the Earth could use more carbon to aid in plant growth.

If you have a chance, check out this book, The Chilling Stars. It is a fascinating read. It really is an eye opener. It is about the research of a Danish scientist, Henrik Svensmark. It seeks to explain how our Sun and Cosmic Rays interact to affect our climate.

The Chilling Stars

Who knows? The Texas delegation is very powerful in the GOP. Maybe they can get these wind subsidies re-instated. And retroactive.

LOL. I hope not. Both parties are filled with hard-core statists.

46 posted on 03/28/2014 4:26:59 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: palmer

I thought VA going in big for offshore wind? Didn’t Dominion buy those offshore wind leases?


47 posted on 03/28/2014 4:30:33 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Wouldn’t surprise me if some politicians get bribed to support it. I went to the annual meeting of my electric coop and they quietly hinted their disapproval of it and other renewables. They are trying to limit their exposure to unreliable power and O&M sinkholes.


48 posted on 03/28/2014 4:46:25 PM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: sand88
tax credits have expired before an congress seems to renew them.

dirty little secret is that the credits last for 10 years once you get one.

49 posted on 03/28/2014 4:48:08 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama ----> Fredo smart)
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To: Ben Ficklin

It is important to remember how the grid architecture is set up: wind and nat gas are add-on items. Nuclear is an always-on foundational element. Building more nuclear plants, especially of the more modern designs, would make a more robust grid.

Wind can not be counted on. It is a wild card.


50 posted on 03/28/2014 8:49:05 PM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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