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Russian troops said to be hiding positions, creating supply lines near Ukraine border
FOX News ^ | March 28, 2014 | By Jonathan Wachtel, Justin Fishel, James Rosen, Chad Pergram, Nick Kalman and The AP

Posted on 03/28/2014 2:05:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

The United Nations Security Council will meet Friday to discuss the ongoing crisis in Ukraine as concerns mount over new details about Russia's military buildup on the Ukrainian border, including Moscow's reported efforts to camouflage troops and equipment.

The council is expected to meet privately Friday afternoon, a day after the U.N. General Assembly approved a resolution affirming Ukraine's territorial integrity and deeming the referendum that led to Russia's annexation of the Crimean Peninsula illegal.

The vote came as the Pentagon said there are no indications that Russian forces along the border with Ukraine are carrying out the kind of legitimate military exercises that Moscow has cited as the reason for their controversial deployment in the region, Reuters reported.

"We've seen no specific indications that these -- that exercises -- are taking place," Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. John Kirby told reporters.

The Wall Street Journal reported late Friday that Russian troops are concealing their positions and establishing supply lines, stoking fears among U.S. intelligence agencies that have struggled to assess Russian President Vladimir Putin's plans.

Senior U.S. military officials told the newspaper that Russia's efforts to camouflage its forces and equipment could be designed to obscure images taken by American spy satellites or to conceal the location and size of their force from the Ukrainian military.

Another senior military official told The Journal that the Pentagon is concerned that the Russians have moved into place additional supplies, such as food and spare parts, which could support both a routine exercise or a prolonged military incursion into Ukraine.

"They are positioning logistics...

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; obama; putin; russia; russianaggression; russianoccupation; ukraine; worldwarthree
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1 posted on 03/28/2014 2:05:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m starting to get the feeling that there is more at work here than just Ukraine.

Putin embarrassed The Messiah by stopping his Syria Attack, in prime time. Obama had a lot personally invested in that, and Putin stood up to him.

Obama and his minions counter by ratcheting up the unrest in Ukraine, and picking sides.

Now the threat to close the Bosphorus and this:
Turkey shuts off YouTube after ‘Syria invasion plan’ leak
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3138497/posts?page=1, that would justify a military intervention by NATO in Syria.

Hmmmm....


2 posted on 03/28/2014 2:13:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Jim Robinson

Senior U.S. military officials told the newspaper that Russia’s efforts to camouflage its forces and equipment could be designed to obscure images taken by American spy satellites or to conceal the location and size of their force from the Ukrainian military.

Thank You Captain’s Obvious!


3 posted on 03/28/2014 2:15:59 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks JimRob.


4 posted on 03/28/2014 2:20:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: Jim Robinson

What was it we were all supposed to be really scared of.....maskarovka? It was that or borscht.


5 posted on 03/28/2014 2:24:46 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 (R"A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Jim Robinson

A coin placed on the rail directly in front of the driving wheel of a giant locomotive will prevent it from moving forward.


6 posted on 03/28/2014 2:31:09 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Jim Robinson

#freestuff


7 posted on 03/28/2014 2:39:07 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: blueunicorn6

No, watching the weakest and most corrupt U.S. president in history destroying our national defense, national security, national economy, national sovereignty and our liberty while simultaneously emboldening and enabling our enemies abroad and rekindling the cold war and possibly starting a real shooting war (WW III) is probably enough to worry about for now.

Please, God, give our congress the wisdom and strength to impeach this traitor.


8 posted on 03/28/2014 2:41:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: mosesdapoet
A coin placed on the rail directly in front of the driving wheel of a giant locomotive will prevent it from moving forward.

I wouldn't bet much on that idea.

9 posted on 03/28/2014 2:50:24 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: mosesdapoet

I am hoping that is sarc?


10 posted on 03/28/2014 2:52:41 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Jim Robinson
On Christmas Eve, 1979 I was standing watch in what could be argued was the most sensitive communications facility in the world.

Somehow, someway the Soviets were able to load up enough aircraft to fly 40,000 troops into Afghanistan and completely take over. For Awhile.

We didn't know ANYTHING until the planes started landing in Kabul.

There had been NO prior warning and intel had been totally blind to it. This during the height of the Cold War when all the extra scrutiny and suspicion was at play.

The Russians are pretty damn good at that sneak attack thing.

11 posted on 03/28/2014 3:01:18 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Steely Tom
"I wouldn't bet much on that idea. "

yEP, THAT COIN WOULD BE SHORTLY VAPORIZED.

12 posted on 03/28/2014 3:02:54 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Jim Robinson

obozo gonna’ kick they ass with Drones.


13 posted on 03/28/2014 3:03:09 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Jim Robinson
OK, so let's say Putin invades Ukraine.

What happens next?

He will need to permanently station a hundred thousand troops there to protect the vastly outnumbered Russian minority.

He will need to install a pro-Putin puppet government, which will be hated by 80% of the population.

He will need to create a new, violent, secret police apparatus to control the 30 million people who now hate him.

And, the Ukraine economy, already in terrible shape, will collapse.

And, what will be gained?

Well, he will have regained a “buffer” state to protect Mother Russia from Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and Moldova, not to mention extra protection from the vast war mongering armies of France, Germany, and Turkey.

I suppose he can re-collectivize the farms in Ukraine, and then he can seize most of the food produced and distribute it pure blood Russians.

Or, maybe something else more practical is going on here?

I think the prize was Crimea, and now Putin has it.

Crimea is 60% Russian, and they clearly want to be part of Russia.

Historically, Crimea was an independent Russian territory for almost 40 years after the 1917 Revolution, it was not part of Ukraine.

And, most important to Putin, Crimea occupies a strategic position in the Black Sea.

Can this situation blow up into something more dangerous?

I'm sure it can, but I personally doubt it.

Unless Putin starts to threaten the Baltic nations - Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania - I think America has very little to worry about here.

14 posted on 03/28/2014 3:04:52 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Steely Tom
RE: “A coin placed on the rail directly in front of the driving wheel of a giant locomotive will prevent it from moving forward.”

Only if it's a BitCoin.

15 posted on 03/28/2014 3:07:21 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
I don't buy more than 1/2 of your contentions.

While only about 38+% of Ukraine is ethnic Russian, outside of the far Western provinces most are either pro-Russian or ambivalent.

There will not be an insurgency against Russia except if they take the historically Polish/Western provinces.

And they've essentially offered those to Poland.

Ribbentrop II.

16 posted on 03/28/2014 3:11:57 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: zeestephen

Put a Quarter on the rail and a T-1 2-10-4 made it silver dollar size! Lol.


17 posted on 03/28/2014 3:15:19 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (God help the Republic but will he?)
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To: zeestephen
Never trust an election where the victor gets more that 70%. Crimea and Chechnya both “voted” pro Russia by >90%.
18 posted on 03/28/2014 3:18:43 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: zeestephen

Yup, he will need to RE-install the pro-Putin puppet government (which Obama helped overthrow), and which will continue to be hated by 80% of the population. And he will need to provide troops to secure his pipelines, his gas contracts and his land corridor to Russian Crimea and his military bases closer to NATO Europe. And Obama and Europe will say, “Thank you sir, may we have some more.”

The Ukranians will have been thrown under the bus for “peace in our time.”


19 posted on 03/28/2014 3:19:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

General Zhukov jr is in command.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgy_Zhukov


20 posted on 03/28/2014 3:21:29 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Jim Robinson

What I find interesting is the timing of it all. Putin did this right after Obama proposes to gut our military.


21 posted on 03/28/2014 3:25:16 PM PDT by aimhigh (John 14:21)
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To: Mariner; All
This smells of a far bigger land grab than anyone in the West was smart enough to grasp.

Russia is likely to drive SW frem the Ukrainian border along the entire Black Sea Coast, through Odessa and into Transwhatever adjacent to Moldova.

Putin's call to Obama today was most likely his opportunity to further humiliate/taunt Obama and the nation, and to notify him Russia will stop there.

22 posted on 03/28/2014 3:27:32 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
The Russians are pretty damn good at that sneak attack thing.

Yeah, they were rather badly victimized by it in 1941, to the tune of about 26 million people. Having thought it over, they decided that it was far better to give than to receive...and, yes, they're very good at it (promising to shoot any leakers in the back of the head tends to keep things quiet).

23 posted on 03/28/2014 3:44:15 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Mariner

The line in 1939 was Poland. Is there a line in 2014? Not with this President or the Europeans who have failed to invest in their own defense for 70 years. Therefore, if you are Putin why not take what you can get when the opportunity is there?


24 posted on 03/28/2014 3:46:21 PM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Please, God, give our congress the wisdom and strength to impeach this traitor.

And convict, amen.

5.56mm

25 posted on 03/28/2014 3:52:25 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Dead Dog
Never trust an election where the victor gets more that 70%. Crimea and Chechnya both “voted” pro Russia by >90%.

There were only two questions on the ballot: (1) “Do you want to be part of Russia?” and (2) “Do you want to be independent?” The ballot did not offer the option of remaining a part of Ukraine.

Source


26 posted on 03/28/2014 3:52:44 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: minnesota_bound

Zhukov ordered the executions of several inadequate officers, thus strengthening the siege perimeter. To bolster resistance, Zhukov organized a special armed regiment that was empowered to shoot anyone who retreated from the perimeter.


He was a management consultant before the war.....


27 posted on 03/28/2014 3:55:56 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: minnesota_bound
"He was a management consultant before the war....."

And he appears to be an effective officer.

28 posted on 03/28/2014 3:59:26 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
yEP, THAT COIN WOULD BE SHORTLY VAPORIZED.

Certainly finding the flattened coin afterwards would be just like searching for a commercial jetliner in the middle of the Indian Ocean.

29 posted on 03/28/2014 4:00:07 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Ancesthntr
Yeah, they were rather badly victimized by it in 1941, to the tune of about 26 million people. You mean when the Nazi and Russian team of invasion and conquest broke up, they turned against what had been their recent strategy of sneak attack?
30 posted on 03/28/2014 4:21:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: RWGinger

A coin placed on a rail in front of a giant locomotive’s driving wheel will prevent it moving forward.

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Russian troops said to be hiding positions, creating supply lines near Ukraine border, RWGinger wrote:
I am hoping that is sarc?

No that’s a fact.


31 posted on 03/28/2014 4:55:28 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: zeestephen

The goal is Odessa. What do the Oligarchs in that city want - EU austerity measures or Russian cash with the attendant strings. Troops and security apparatus are no longer needed. Those functions have been privatized.


32 posted on 03/28/2014 5:00:52 PM PDT by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: Jim Robinson
Senior U.S. military officials told the newspaper that Russia's efforts to camouflage its forces and equipment could be designed to obscure images taken by American spy satellites or to conceal the location and size of their force from the Ukrainian military.

After 20+ years in the Army and Army Reserve, I can tell you that any military force moving into an area will put up camoflage nets and similar stuff. That is SOP and doesn't necessarily mean anything sinister. The fact that they are there and moving supplies into the area probably does mean something bad....

But not to worry, our President will write a strongly worded note of protest, if Russia does invade (or he will have an aide write it, while he goes and plays golf).

33 posted on 03/28/2014 5:07:52 PM PDT by BruceS
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To: mosesdapoet

One man can manually move a ten car subway train with a breaker bar.


34 posted on 03/28/2014 5:20:12 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: Jim Robinson

The question is simple, does the West still have the will to exist? How about the will to stand up for Western Civilization? If we do not, we do not deserve freedom, and we do not deserve to live. History is full of Putins, it was only a matter of time before some tyrant got powerful enough to directly challenge the Free World. The question is, to be cower and hide or face the enemy.


35 posted on 03/28/2014 6:24:11 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: aimhigh

I don’t think events in US influenced Putin too much. The catalyst for all this was the Ukrainian revolution. Although having a weak President in US is probably a nice bonus for him.


36 posted on 03/28/2014 6:29:06 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: USAF80

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Russian troops said to be hiding positions, creating supply lines near Ukraine border, USAF80 wrote: About my comment about the coin placed on a rail
One man can manually move a ten car subway train with a breaker bar.

Yes he can partcularly with those lightweight steel bearing subway cars or even with a 10 foot 4X4. The trick with the coin is where it’s placed. From a cold start a steam loco because the steel driving wheels allow no give over the smallest obstruction on the rail engineers would put their engine in reverse for a few inches then inch forward to gain inertia and crawl over any obstruction on the track.

The point about my comment is all is not lost if find a spot where you put the coin


37 posted on 03/28/2014 8:16:21 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Full moon? It is usually considered the best time.


38 posted on 03/28/2014 8:33:31 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: BurningOak

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

Ukraine is just another box to check in the long march to establish a Russian master race.

I think the plan is like an underwear gnomes business plan, but it seems to be working for them.


39 posted on 03/28/2014 8:48:01 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: mosesdapoet

But will a coin stop a tank?


40 posted on 03/28/2014 9:00:01 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Dead Dog
Never trust an election where the victor gets more that 70%. Crimea and Chechnya both “voted” pro Russia by >90%.

Crimean “Referendum”: Fraud, Neo-Nazis, Over 100% Turnout

...................."Voter turnout was “reinforced” by nearly 90,000 phantom voters in Sevastopol. In late 2013 there were 385,462 citizens in Sevastopol, according to the Sevastopol Statistics Service. This number included children under 18 and other people not eligible to vote. However, Mykhailo Malyshev, Chair of the Crimea Supreme Council Referendum Commission, stated that in Sevastopol alone 474,137 voters participated in the “referendum,” making Sevastopol’s voter turnout 123 percent.

Moreover, even those who decided against boycotting the “referendum,” did not have the option to vote for preserving the current status of Crimea: the ballots provided two unconnected options to vote for – either Crimea becoming a part of Russia, or the restoration of the 1992 Crimean Constitution with Crimea remaining a part of Ukraine.".....................
41 posted on 03/28/2014 9:06:38 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: ansel12
You mean when the Nazi and Russian team of invasion and conquest broke up, they turned against what had been their recent strategy of sneak attack?

Whatever Stalin and his evil minions did (to both Russians and many other peoples), the Russian people suffered terribly when the Nazis invaded. That the tables got turned on Stalin is a rich historical irony, but millions were killed and murdered for that irony. Besides, Hitler would've invaded Russia no matter whether Stalin was an angel, or the devil that he really was.

Never confuse a people with its government - government is ALWAYS composed at the top of those that are incredibly hungry for power over others.

42 posted on 03/28/2014 9:25:23 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ancesthntr

Russia, being Russia, was not exactly sitting around praising freedom and individuality, when their teammate in conquest and invasion turned on them.

Russians miss their Evil Empire, they even miss their Stalin.

“Why so many Russians still love Stalin To the bafflement of the world, Stalin is remembered quite fondly by millions upon millions of Russians”

“Poll Finds Stalin’s Popularity High”

“Joseph Stalin More Popular In Russia Now Than At End Of Soviet Union, Finds Carnegie Survey”

Russian history, the story of Russians, and history isn’t over yet.


43 posted on 03/28/2014 9:36:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Mariner
Wikipedia says just 17% ethnic Russians in Ukraine, including Crimea, so my thesis was built on that number, which, obviously, may be wrong.

Still, if Ukraine is so comfortable with Putin, what was the point of breaking away from Yeltsin and the Russian Federation?

The Referendum for Ukraine's independence received more than 90% of the vote in 1991.

44 posted on 03/28/2014 10:26:36 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

I think the problem is that until Russia builds a big bridge and other infrastructure over to Crimea, from Russia, Putin needs Kherson / a land route. Kherson is only ~ 25% Russian speaking, probably less (%) Russian (occupation force) supporting. Ukraine already turned off the power to Crimea for several hours, ostensibly to get hostages returned. That effort failed, but it does show that Putin’s move to date is not without its problems for him, even “locally”. Many Ukrainians ARE pissed, now, and if the ultra-nationalists can sieze on that / force a confrontation over access to Crimea, well, who knows.

The other interesting consideration is that Russia’s Black Sea fleet is really only good for bullying their smaller area neighbors. The Italian Navy alone could send it to the bottom. So, why does Putin need Crimea so badly, when he was in little danger of losing the base there anyway?


45 posted on 03/29/2014 6:47:01 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Paul R.
So, why does Putin need Crimea so badly, when he was in little danger of losing the base there anyway?

Tartus, Syria, where the Russians have a Naval Base...Syria isn't exactly the most stable of places these days, so it multiplies the importance of her Black Sea Fleet.

46 posted on 03/29/2014 6:49:06 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Mariner
Not all Russian speakers will be loyal to Putin, as well.
47 posted on 03/29/2014 6:57:46 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: zeestephen

See my post 47...


48 posted on 03/29/2014 7:01:45 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Mariner

Now, there, I agree with you.

Moles needed. Wish the ones from my yard would work...


49 posted on 03/29/2014 7:03:14 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: 1rudeboy
"There were only two questions on the ballot: (1) “Do you want to be part of Russia?” and (2) “Do you want to be independent?” The ballot did not offer the option of remaining a part of Ukraine."

FALSE

In three languages: Russian, Ukrainian and Tartar:

Choice 1: Do you support the reunification of Crimea with Russia with all the rights of the Russian Federation?

Choice 2: Do you support the restoration of the Constitution of the Republic of Crimea in 1992 and the status of the Crimea as part of Ukraine?


50 posted on 03/29/2014 7:10:49 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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