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White House and Kremlin seem to have different recollections of Obama-Putin call
Wash Post ^ | 3-28-2014 | Adam Taylor

Posted on 03/28/2014 6:58:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf

On Friday, Russian President Vladimir Putin and U.S. President Barack Obama spoke on the phone. Given recent tensions over Ukraine and Crimea, dialogue seems like a good thing. However, were the two presidents really talking to each other? After reading the two official statements about the call, it sounds like they got some wires crossed or something.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: adamtaylor; crimea; momjeans; obama; obamatheidiot; putin; russia; thecatcher; ukraine
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I noted this on the breaking thread earlier.

Nice to see the WashPost catch up, for a change.

1 posted on 03/28/2014 6:58:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

From the comments section. Surprised it hasn’t been deleted, yet:

“Obama is so far out of his league dealing with Putin it’s sad and embarrassing. Putin already owned him on Syria and he is going to do it again. He put troops on the border and called Obama because he wants the sanctions lifted/stopped and any negotiation will start there.

Putin will get everything he wants then let Obama walk away thinking he won and all the fanatics who worship Obama will sing his praise being none the wiser that Putin was 6 steps ahead all the time and didn’t give up anything he didn’t plan on giving up months ago.”


2 posted on 03/28/2014 6:59:06 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

Putin hefty, hefty, hefty. Obama wimpy, wimpy, wimpy.


3 posted on 03/28/2014 7:01:26 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: tcrlaf

Let’s see. Discrepancy in the meeting with the Pope and discrepancy in talks with Putin. Hmmm...


4 posted on 03/28/2014 7:04:38 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: tcrlaf

Didn’t the same thing happen when Obama talked with Israel?


5 posted on 03/28/2014 7:05:30 PM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Sad day for America when they make the Russians out to be the truth-tellers.


6 posted on 03/28/2014 7:06:47 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: tcrlaf
Nice to see the WashPost catch up, for a change.

I don't see any "catch up" on the part of the Washington Post.

I see the same kind of doublethink I see when Nancy Pelosi or Debbie Wasserman Schultz or any of the other losers in this circus babble on.

The Washington Post's position seems to be: President Obama said this, and President Putin said that, and there's not much commonality between their two stories, and isn't that interesting.

If that sounds like no big deal, just imagine for a moment what would be the reaction if a similar difference in stories existed in the aftermath of a conversation between George Bush and Putin. Or, for that matter, a conversation between George Bush and Ray Nagin.

7 posted on 03/28/2014 7:06:52 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: GOPJ

And when he talked with the Pope.


8 posted on 03/28/2014 7:08:18 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: tcrlaf

Russian foreign minister: “You seem to have redacted six minutes of crying from your president, Americanski”


9 posted on 03/28/2014 7:10:03 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: tcrlaf

Will Putin slaughter fellow Slavs?


10 posted on 03/28/2014 7:10:34 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: tcrlaf

Putin - “Now go home and get your bleeping shinebox.”


11 posted on 03/28/2014 7:10:49 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Let’s see. Discrepancy in the meeting with the Pope and discrepancy in talks with Putin. Hmmm...

Obama is telling us what the voices in his head were saying.

12 posted on 03/28/2014 7:14:36 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: dfwgator

Or, “ I understand there is an opening for a Lawn Jockey down in Atlanta.”


13 posted on 03/28/2014 7:16:13 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: dfwgator
Putin - “Now go home and get your bleeping shinebox.”

That wouldn't do any good.

Zero doesn't know sh-- from Shinola.

14 posted on 03/28/2014 7:17:53 PM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: tcrlaf

Similar to the variations with the Pope’s meeting.

Maybe the same staffer composed descriptions of both events.

If you like your heathplan ...

Obama and his administration have zero credibility.


15 posted on 03/28/2014 7:20:35 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: All

17 posted on 03/28/2014 7:25:30 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: tcrlaf; caww

Obama seems also to have curious “recollections” on Kosovo.

Of course, the MSM are mum about this:

Have you heard of Obama’s last blunder in Brussels? He claimed that “Kosovo broke away from Serbia after a referendum” He said: “And Kosovo only left Serbia after a referendum was organized not outside the boundaries of international law, but in careful cooperation with the United Nations and with Kosovo’s neighbors. None of that even came close to happening in Crimea.”

... BUT there was NO referendum in Kosovo. NEVER.

Following a three-month NATO bombing of Yugoslavia in June, 1999, Kosovo was placed under administration of the United Nations Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK) and a NATO-led peacekeeping force, KFOR. Kosovo’s authorities unilaterally decided to declare independence in February, 2008, despite Serbia’s opposition.

But of course the American MSM ignores the bogus information given by Obama, comparing Crimea and Kosovo situations.

“I honestly don’t know what President Obama is talking about,” Serbian historian Nebojsa Malic said. “There was never such a referendum. It never took place. It did not exist. I am completely baffled... Maybe Obama’s speechwriters mistook the non-existent referendum in Kosovo with the referendum in Montenegro that took place in 2006. I am really not sure what sort of point they were trying to make, but you can’t just make up your own facts to boost your own argument. This is ridiculous”.

Obama and his minions from the White hut are ridiculous. European diplomats listened to his blabbering in utter disbelief. Who is this clown? they were thinking.


18 posted on 03/28/2014 7:26:13 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: TomGuy

Does anyone really believe anything that come out of the mac daddy administration?

If they could not lie they would be speechless.


19 posted on 03/28/2014 7:28:37 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: tcrlaf

Readout of the President’s Call with President Putin

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/03/28/readout-president-s-call-president-putin

President Putin called President Obama today to discuss the U.S. proposal for a diplomatic resolution to the crisis in Ukraine, which Secretary Kerry had again presented to Foreign Minister Lavrov at the meeting at the Hague earlier this week, and which we developed following U.S. consultations with our Ukrainian and European partners. President Obama suggested that Russia put a concrete response in writing and the presidents agreed that Kerry and Lavrov would meet to discuss next steps.

President Obama noted that the Ukrainian government continues to take a restrained and de-escalatory approach to the crisis and is moving ahead with constitutional reform and democratic elections, and urged Russia to support this process and avoid further provocations, including the buildup of forces on its border with Ukraine.

President Obama underscored to President Putin that the United States continues to support a diplomatic path in close consultation with the Government of Ukraine and in support of the Ukrainian people with the aim of de-escalation of the crisis. President Obama made clear that this remains possible only if Russia pulls back its troops and does not take any steps to further violate Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty. President Obama reiterated that the United States has strongly opposed the actions that Russia has already taken to violate Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.


20 posted on 03/28/2014 7:29:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: LibFreeUSA
Sad day for America when they make the Russians out to be the truth-tellers.

My thoughts exactly. The joke used to be about how much the Russians would lie to bolster their image. Now our president tops that.

21 posted on 03/28/2014 7:31:15 PM PDT by socal_parrot (I hate to say I told you so, but...)
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To: tcrlaf

What a surprise. /sarc Where any resemblance of reality never meets Obama’s realities or fantasies.


22 posted on 03/28/2014 7:32:16 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: tcrlaf

Deju Vu...isn’t this the same case with him and the Pope?


23 posted on 03/28/2014 7:32:43 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I support Joe Carr in the TN GOP Primary against Lamar!)
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To: tcrlaf

In your heart, you really know dumBO wants to suck up to Putin.


24 posted on 03/28/2014 7:34:06 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: tcrlaf
Who to Believe, Barry or Il Papa?



Lips moving out comes lies


25 posted on 03/28/2014 7:36:51 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: tcrlaf

This smells very similar to the meeting between the Pope and nobama.

Disgusting.


26 posted on 03/28/2014 7:36:52 PM PDT by upchuck (South Carolina Representative Trey Gowdy for Speaker of the House!!!)
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To: tcrlaf

Putin embarrasses zero, plays audio recording of call.


27 posted on 03/28/2014 7:39:31 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: SandRat

HAHAHAHAHA...how did I miss that one?


28 posted on 03/28/2014 7:39:36 PM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: tcrlaf

Funny but I’ve always pictured Putin putting the Boy King on speaker while he plays a game of chess ... periodically saying either Da or Nyet!


29 posted on 03/28/2014 7:43:22 PM PDT by galtman (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: tcrlaf
Gee, whom to believe?

The President of Russia or my own President?

Obama may now, sometimes, wish he had told the truth occasionally in the past. He has less credibility with the American people than Putin.

30 posted on 03/28/2014 7:44:18 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: TomGuy

The British version of the phone conversation: “The Kremlin said in a statement that the Russian president drew Mr Obama’s attention to “the continued rampage of extremists” in Kiev and various regions of Ukraine.

It said these individuals were “committing acts of intimidation towards peaceful residents, government authorities and law enforcement agencies... with impunity”.

Mr Putin suggested examining possible steps the global community could take to help stabilise the situation, the Kremlin statement said.

He also expressed concern at an “effective blockade” of Moldova’s separatist region of Trans-Dniester, where Russia has troops.”

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26795627


31 posted on 03/28/2014 7:45:50 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: ClearCase_guy

And when he talked to Americans about health care...


32 posted on 03/28/2014 7:49:21 PM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: Marguerite
Serbian historian Nebojsa Malic said.... “There was never such a referendum. (in Kosovo). It never took place. It did not exist."

Obama is a liar, So why should any be "baffled" when he does so to make his case against Putin. He sure hasn't corrected past lies with the truth....he won't this either.

The problem everyone has is discovering who is telling it like it is.......and neither Putin nor Obama will do so. Neither will the news sources who all report according to the bias of the networks etc.

This is EU's Problem and interesting that few are calling them to account for their actions, nor the US for theirs in Ukraine.


33 posted on 03/28/2014 7:49:32 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf
White House and Kremlin seem to have different recollections of Obama-Putin call

Let's see: President MomJeans is a liar.

STFU, Obama.

Next!

34 posted on 03/28/2014 7:52:11 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Ciexyz
Putin hefty, hefty, hefty. Obama wimpy, wimpy, wimpy.

Yep, obama IS a sack...

35 posted on 03/28/2014 7:53:27 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Darksheare

Putin could conclude by nuking the US out of existence without any consummate retaliatory strike when dealing with this DUmmie.


36 posted on 03/28/2014 7:55:43 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: tcrlaf
White House and Kremlin seem to have different recollections of Obama-Putin call

Just like the Pope/obama meeting, two different versions, one version from a known liar.

(and it ain't the Pope)

37 posted on 03/28/2014 8:05:19 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 13: 33)
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To: GOPJ

...and Iran...and Syria...


38 posted on 03/28/2014 8:10:08 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: tcrlaf
ain't "flexibility" a wonderful thing ?
39 posted on 03/28/2014 8:12:58 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: lepton

Actually, those were Kerry, weren’t they.


40 posted on 03/28/2014 8:13:18 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: tcrlaf

Putin’s “curing” Zero’s weak liberalism with Strong Communism...


41 posted on 03/28/2014 8:15:24 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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"Obama is a liar, So why should any be "baffled" when he does so to make his case against Putin. He sure hasn't corrected past lies with the truth....he won't this either."

He is also a liar, when he claims that Crimea independence and its reintegration in the Russian Federation "are breaking the international law". There is no legal reason whatsoever to put sanctions on Russia.

The International Court of Justice, supreme arbiter in matters of international law, in 2010 ruled that the declaration of independence of Kosovo had been legal – and also, more generally, that throughout history, declarations of independence are never in conflict with international law. The judges said that the 20th century declarations of independence have been regarded as compatible and indeed supported by international law in the name of the principal of self-determination. So Crimea's declaration of independence is perfectly valid, as valid as it was the United States declaration of independence from England.

42 posted on 03/28/2014 8:16:32 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: tcrlaf
The Kremlin said in a statement that the Russian president drew Mr Obama’s attention to “the continued rampage of extremists” in Kiev and various regions of Ukraine.

It said these individuals were “committing acts of intimidation towards peaceful residents, government authorities and law enforcement agencies... with impunity”.

Mr Putin suggested examining possible steps the global community could take to help stabilise the situation, the Kremlin statement said.

He also expressed concern at an “effective blockade” of Moldova’s separatist region of Trans-Dniester, where Russia has troops.”

This is Putin projecting.

He is probably going to go into the Ukraine for the "good of the people there," and solve the problems of the so-called extremists, and he is probably going to go to Moldova to break the blockade.

That's what his forces are mobilizing on the borders for.

The Obama admin doesn't see it, and neither do the press lackeys that lick his heals.

43 posted on 03/28/2014 8:20:01 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Red Steel

There are five year olds more capable of foreign policy than Obama is.


44 posted on 03/28/2014 8:27:42 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: tcrlaf

This should clear the matter up.

It was recorded:

http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/segments/2871


45 posted on 03/28/2014 8:29:12 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent / Cruz 2016)
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To: Viennacon

Americanski is more of an adjective to describe something. Americanitz would be the person who is an american.


46 posted on 03/28/2014 8:31:18 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: tcrlaf
Putin to Obama:

"I like my Black Sea peninsula, and I will keep it. Seriously..."

47 posted on 03/28/2014 8:31:44 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: tcrlaf

I recall that there were discrepancies in stories when Kerry “negotiated” with Iran. Kerry detailed sanctions and a commitment to abandon the nuke development program, and Iran said, what sanctions? The US lifted sanctions, gave us money, and we continue our program!


48 posted on 03/28/2014 8:47:09 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DTogo

“I like my Black Sea peninsula, and I will keep it. Seriously...”

Crimeans like it too that way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmi7dQP3Wx0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v93sSoZlvA


49 posted on 03/28/2014 8:54:23 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

Bottom line...a bird in hand...Crimea went with Russia willingly. ..and I don’t buy for a minute, as some have attempted to say, it was at the end of a gun. International observers and many others attest to the fair reporting of the results....and even id you remove a percentage they still went with Russia.

I think Obama and the Eu are just plenty peeved they could do nothing to stop Crimea from what it ultimately chose to do.

All this legality will be worked behind the scenes for years perhaps....but clearly the Us/EU and Russia were all willing to break International Law from the beginning of this entire affair....They just choose to interpret it as they will and are doing now.


50 posted on 03/28/2014 9:09:31 PM PDT by caww
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