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Gunshot victims to be suspended between life and death
New Scientist ^ | Helen Thomson | 26 March 2014

Posted on 03/28/2014 7:48:37 PM PDT by neverdem

Doctors will try to save the lives of 10 patients with knife or gunshot wounds by placing them in suspended animation, buying time to fix their injuries

NEITHER dead or alive, knife-wound or gunshot victims will be cooled down and placed in suspended animation later this month, as a groundbreaking emergency technique is tested out for the first time.

Surgeons are now on call at the UPMC Presbyterian Hospital in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, to perform the operation, which will buy doctors time to fix injuries that would otherwise be lethal.

"We are suspending life, but we don't like to call it suspended animation because it sounds like science fiction," says Samuel Tisherman, a surgeon at the hospital, who is leading the trial. "So we call it emergency preservation and resuscitation."

The technique involves replacing all of a patient's blood with a cold saline solution, which rapidly cools the body and stops almost all cellular activity. "If a patient comes to us two hours after dying you can't bring them back to life. But if they're dying and you suspend them, you have a chance to bring them back after their structural problems have been fixed," says surgeon Peter Rhee at the University of Arizona in Tucson, who helped develop the technique.

The benefits of cooling, or induced hypothermia, have been known for decades. At normal body temperature – around 37 °C – cells need a regular oxygen supply to produce energy. When the heart stops beating, blood no longer carries oxygen to cells. Without oxygen the brain can only survive for about 5 minutes before the damage is irreversible.

However, at lower temperatures, cells need less oxygen because all chemical reactions slow down. This explains why people who fall into icy lakes can sometimes be revived more than half...

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: suspendedanimation
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1 posted on 03/28/2014 7:48:37 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

***suspended between life and death***

And still they are more alive that most Dems.


2 posted on 03/28/2014 7:50:04 PM PDT by Gamecock (If the cross is not foolishness to the lost world then we have misrepresented the cross." S.L.)
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To: neverdem

I guess these docs never saw the movie ‘re-animator’.... And maybe they should.


3 posted on 03/28/2014 7:51:50 PM PDT by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: neverdem

While in this state will an automatic vote for the dem be cast? Just wondering


4 posted on 03/28/2014 7:52:47 PM PDT by barmag25 (There is nothing that a man needs that he can't find in the North Georgia mountains.)
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To: Darksheare

Undead Thread?


5 posted on 03/28/2014 7:54:41 PM PDT by null and void ( Everything evil in the world may not be Islamic but everything Islamic is evil.)
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To: neverdem

Cold Potassium....

Anyone ever have a potassium IV?

I cannot think of the utter agony one would experience if there was any conscious mental activity.


6 posted on 03/28/2014 7:57:44 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: neverdem

45 years old, Gen X, and I’m seeing science fiction happen right before my eyes that I thought I’d never see in my lifetime. I’d jump for joy if the implications weren’t so damned scary.


7 posted on 03/28/2014 8:00:05 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: barmag25

Is there ANY possible topic that can be posted in here that won’t be ruined by people turning it into political crap? Just wondering.


8 posted on 03/28/2014 8:00:56 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: neverdem
I've been reading a lot of classic Poul Anderson lately. Coincidence, or the universe sending a message?
9 posted on 03/28/2014 8:02:45 PM PDT by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Anyone ever have a potassium IV?


Me.


10 posted on 03/28/2014 8:02:49 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Hurts like hell huh? Imagine that multiplied with no end.

Hell incarnate.


11 posted on 03/28/2014 8:04:42 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: chessplayer
Is there ANY possible topic that can be posted in here that won’t be ruined by people turning it into political crap? Just wondering.

If you go to a Mopar forum you kind of expect people to be posting about cars. If you go to a Film Noir forum you kind of expect people to post about old movies. When you come to the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web ...

12 posted on 03/28/2014 8:05:00 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Anyone ever have a potassium IV?

No thanks-- I'd rather eat my bananas than have them injected.

13 posted on 03/28/2014 8:06:55 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: chessplayer

No.


14 posted on 03/28/2014 8:15:15 PM PDT by BigIsleGal (Wake Me Up When the Stupid Wears Off)
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To: barmag25

Dig your homepage.

Well traveled.

Gotta knock Venice off my list.


15 posted on 03/28/2014 8:20:22 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: null and void

That would certainly count as “undead”.


16 posted on 03/28/2014 8:25:30 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I’ve had one as well. You are completely right...hurts like all get out!

I can’t imagine it multiplied.


17 posted on 03/28/2014 8:32:16 PM PDT by berdie
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To: neverdem

I see law suits in the making.

Just wait until the first budding young rap star either does not wake up or wakes up a vegetable. The Dickie Scruggs of this world will be on this like Oprah on a baked ham.


18 posted on 03/28/2014 8:33:41 PM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: neverdem

19 posted on 03/28/2014 8:39:05 PM PDT by zadox (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. Reagan)
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To: Norm Lenhart
6 Cold Potassium.... Anyone ever have a potassium IV? I cannot think of the utter agony one would experience if there was any conscious mental activity.

Mom, aged 81, was rushed to the e-room last year due to nausea. Blood test revealed critically low potassium. She was admitted, conscious, for 2 days and administered potassium IVs. She said it burned like Hades and made the nurses dial back the flow rate for a little relief.

20 posted on 03/28/2014 8:39:46 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

They even spike it with lydocane and it still hurts like hell. Nope. Let me die. And I am dead serious. I would not want the CHANCE I had any conscious activity going on filled with it.

I have had a few of them due to med issues and uptake problems. NOT A CHANCE I want to be filled with it. I also want to know flush it from the tissues after a long soak considering a potassium OD will kill you all over. And it does not take much.


21 posted on 03/28/2014 9:08:40 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: neverdem

Hypothermia has been in use as a post cardiac arrest technique for several years now. It cuts down on the chance of being a vegetable afterward.


22 posted on 03/28/2014 9:10:15 PM PDT by Catmom (We're all gonna get the punishment only some of us deserve.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

It’s Saline, Sodium Chloride solution not potassium. Large amounts of potassium are fatal


23 posted on 03/28/2014 9:20:50 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Kozak

The article listed ‘cold potassium’ as well. Just going by what was written.


24 posted on 03/28/2014 9:24:38 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart
That person will have suffered a cardiac arrest after a traumatic injury, and will not have responded to attempts to start their heart. When this happens, every member of Tisherman's team will be paged. "The patient will probably have already lost about 50 per cent of their blood and their chest will be open," he says. The team sees one of these cases each month. Their chance of survival is less than 7 per cent.

I don't think being put out conscious will be on that patient's mind.

25 posted on 03/28/2014 9:29:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

All the brain dead people who ‘inexplicably’ woke up from comas discussing the experience may disagree.


26 posted on 03/28/2014 9:35:19 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Put it in your advance medical directive if you don’t want extraordinary measures.

Looks like none of the ANIMAL subjects did not seem worse for wear.

You just want to ban things because you personally dislike them.


27 posted on 03/28/2014 10:20:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Also, “All the brain dead people” weren’t so due to traumatic lack of blood at the moment.


28 posted on 03/28/2014 10:21:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You jump to lots of unsupportable conclusions.


29 posted on 03/28/2014 11:03:49 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You’re an expert about that.


30 posted on 03/28/2014 11:06:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Nope. I’m the smartest man in any room I walk into.

Modest too.

But at least Ii can stay on a subject.


31 posted on 03/28/2014 11:08:57 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: chessplayer

FR is a political forum.


32 posted on 03/28/2014 11:10:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

When you’re so smart you get to dictate whatever the subject is according to your whim.

Not playing that game with you. Bye.


33 posted on 03/28/2014 11:12:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Toodles Brave Sir Robin. Lets not forget you initiated this tender moment...not I.


34 posted on 03/28/2014 11:14:40 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You wouldn’t know how if your life depended on it, which in fact it does.


35 posted on 03/28/2014 11:16:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

A threat? Oh now I get threats?

Give up.


36 posted on 03/28/2014 11:20:12 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You’re only a threat to yourself. Don’t complain you weren’t warned.


37 posted on 03/28/2014 11:34:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

By who? Some anonymous guy on the net?

For what? Cuz I made him haZ a sad?

How many threads do you intend to argue with me on today? You have yet to do anything but annoy people.

Oh wait, is this another religious ‘life depends on it” thing? Because I have to be honest. Judging by your IMO rep as a religious fanatic (at least according to what I read in your post history and replies to it) I have to think that’s what you mean. Because CLEARLY no one would be stupid enough to double down on physical threats on FR.


38 posted on 03/28/2014 11:47:04 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Hey if you scoff at God don’t blame me for the consequences.


39 posted on 03/28/2014 11:48:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

When you discover the unicorn carrying the post containing me scoffing at God, a video, an actual witness to any such event in the real world or some actual proof outside your warped view on things, please post it with my name on it and ping me so we can all revel in my damnation.

Since neither such a post, such an event, nor unicorns exist, I’ll chalk it up to my earlier post about your habbit of making unsupportable allegations. Because you see, making unsupportable...IE False... allegations about one’s neighbor is not a happy in God’s eyes. Which you just did.

In fact, he wrote a best seller discussing it. That’s where I read his opinion on the matter. You should check it out. It’s called The Bible.

Cool book.


40 posted on 03/28/2014 11:58:51 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: arderkrag

Reminds me of Larry Niven’s “corpsesickles”, people who froze themselves awaiting science to find a cure. Unfortunately for most, they are thawed out only to find they have to stand before a government death panel to justify the cost of keeping them alive. With their investments long gone and their skills obsolete, most are sent to the organ banks to be disassembled and given to transplant patients.


41 posted on 03/29/2014 1:18:00 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: TigersEye

So no posts permitted about weather/storms, sports, missing aircraft, blah, blah, blah,,,right? Censorship. You know who is fond of censorship? Commie lib-er-als.


42 posted on 03/29/2014 1:24:24 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Norm Lenhart

It’s Saline, Sodium Chloride solution not potassium. Large amounts of potassium are fatal


43 posted on 03/29/2014 2:29:49 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Hugin

“Unfortunately for most, they are thawed out only to find they have to stand before a government death panel to justify the cost of keeping them alive.”

So, let’s assume that your insurance company would require a prior authorization and the ubiquitous “medical review” before authorizing payment for this particular procedure. I’ll bet that precious 2 hour time frame just flies by. Don’t try this on weekends or holidays.


44 posted on 03/29/2014 3:23:37 AM PDT by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: neverdem

Who benefits from this? the criminal who robbed and raped your family, a criminal who robbed and killed innocent people? The odds and numbers of saving some one from an accident are slim compared


45 posted on 03/29/2014 4:21:30 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Im missing a jumbo jet with 235 passengers has anyone seen it?)
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To: neverdem
This has worked coincidently. I recall someone under water for a half hour or more and subsequently revived. The revival was attributed to the 30 something degree water.
46 posted on 03/29/2014 5:36:22 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You mock tenderness, and therefore show none towards God. Which keeps your eternity in the same danger.

The bible wasn’t written so you could trumpet how right you were. It was written so you could see how wrong you were and then repent.


47 posted on 03/29/2014 6:30:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ronnie raygun

Only bad guys get shot badly?


48 posted on 03/29/2014 6:30:56 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You know it’s amazing. I don’t agree with athesim. I despise it in fact. But thanks to you ‘Bible on the sleeve/Holier than thou Intervangelist” types, I certainly ‘understand’ them.

I just thank God you aren’t truly representative of the rest of us.


49 posted on 03/29/2014 6:38:38 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: neverdem

I sure hope the defense lawyers are getting the bills for this. As long as they are alive, their clients won’t be charged with murder.


50 posted on 03/29/2014 6:38:49 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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