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Two Claims for Reaganís Mantle (Ted Cruz and Rand Paul)
The New York Times ^ | March 23, 2014 | Albert R. Hunt

Posted on 03/29/2014 12:43:14 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Two newcomers, Senators Rand Paul of Kentucky and Ted Cruz of Texas, are the hottest figures in the dominant conservative wing of the Republican Party. In markedly different ways, they both claim to be the heirs to the party’s contemporary patron saint, Ronald Reagan.

In a short time, these first-term lawmakers have electrified elements of the party’s base and rattled the Senate establishment. The top two Republican leaders in the chamber, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and John Cornyn of Texas, have had to defer to the political popularity of their junior colleagues.

Both are outside the party mainstream, rock stars in selective conservative circles, with an eye on the 2016 presidential nomination and on each other.

They are also profoundly different in style and substance. They reflect a party and movement that are struggling to reshape themselves despite internal contradictions.

In the next presidential race, conservatives are determined to tap one of their own. Perhaps someone else will emerge, but, for now, Mr. Paul, 51, and Mr. Cruz, 43, are the top choices of many conservatives...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska; US: Kentucky; US: New York; US: Texas
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1 posted on 03/29/2014 12:43:14 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Please! Reagan would never have contempt for “social” issues like Paul has.


2 posted on 03/29/2014 12:59:08 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I see this is another Al “Mike” Hunt piece.


3 posted on 03/29/2014 1:08:59 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fwdude

If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.

Ronald Reagan, Reason Magazine, 1975


4 posted on 03/29/2014 1:09:40 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So far I really like what I’m hearing from Ted Cruz and I’m taking a good look and waiting to see about Rand Paul.


5 posted on 03/29/2014 1:22:24 AM PDT by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Cruz keeps it up he should have a good chance at the presidency.

On the other hand i think Paul has the right idea about the u.s not having the right to be the worlds police force although we do need to keep our country protected.

I do not think we even need talk about anarchy because in many minds freedom is anarchy.


6 posted on 03/29/2014 1:31:26 AM PDT by ravenwolf (ost void of pend)
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To: Hugin
If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.

That's right, while campaigning for president in 1975, and being interviewed by a libertarian magazine for a libertarian audience, Reagan did what he was masterful at, found a sly way to find common ground with his audience at the opening, then he spent most of the rest of the interview explaining why he was not a libertarian and was a total conservative, social issues which included gambling and prostitution, and a strong and aggressive defense posture.

There isn't much we don't know about the long and political life of Ronald Reagan, that is why we see that one little quote over and over from that single minor magazine interview, and no papers and books, or speeches on his being anything but a true conservative, not 1/3rd of a conservative, and 2/3rds liberal, Reagan wasn't a libertarian.

7 posted on 03/29/2014 1:53:27 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: fwdude
Michael Reagan: Rand Paul “gets” my dad.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3132459/posts

In all honesty, I am fed up with the divide-and-conquer tactics in regards to Paul and Cruz, with Politico being the worst offender.

8 posted on 03/29/2014 2:07:49 AM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

Michael Reagan has one of those stories for everyone, he is not a quality political thinker, and isn’t suited for what he does for a living, because of his name.

In all honesty, we conservatives are fed up with Paul’s coming out to move the party and the nation left, by calling for the GOP to go libertarian/liberal on social issues, and drop them from the platform.

Paul is a Senator, voting on federal legislation, and running for president, and has revealed that he will not fight for a full conservative agenda.


9 posted on 03/29/2014 2:15:31 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
In all honesty, we conservatives are fed up with Paul’s coming out to move the party and the nation left...

Who is "we", kemosabe?

10 posted on 03/29/2014 2:56:36 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: fwdude

I put Rand Paul in almost the same category as a Reagan Republican as McCain who constantly claimed that Mantle.

His penchant for talking around the immigration/citizenship issue is just a disguise for the time when he would, if elected, give them citizenship in some fashion. And, it would open the floodgates and let slip the dogs of entitlement forever.


11 posted on 03/29/2014 3:13:23 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

maybe Cruz, time will tell

Rand ain’t got it


12 posted on 03/29/2014 3:23:15 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Flick Lives; ansel12

Although I disagree with ansell2 about Michael’s suitability for what he does for a living, I think it odd that you question his projection of ‘we conservatives’.

Without question Free Republic is a strongly conservative forum inhabited by some very fine conservative minds and passionate conservative hearts.

Anyone that enjoys getting the truth, of learning how to get at the truth through all the con games of the media find that the Free Republic comments, debates and added reporting are advanced education that is leading edge in politics without the pedantry of syndicated media production.

So, if one scans and reads Free Republic, it’s almost a certainty that one sees that the conservatives of this forum are not enamored with Rand Paul.

Over the past year my own views of Rand Paul became mixed and only recently became set against his candidacy. His endorsement of McConnell was the final straw because it was entirely unnecessary in principle except the principle of campaign money which is all McConnell has to offer as a conduit for K Street corruption. Paul is therefore a sellout who is careful to hold his finger to which way the wind blows.


13 posted on 03/29/2014 3:27:44 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If all 3, Palin, Paul and Cruz run, a Cristie or Bush wins yet again. Palin must remain a cheerleader/kingmaker and Paul must defer to the #2 spot.


14 posted on 03/29/2014 4:02:27 AM PDT by Undecided 2012
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To: Undecided 2012

I truly hope that Cruz and Paul can meet on some common ground and run together. If that be the case, they WILL win the country back. The only thing they would need to worry about is insuring the House and Senate come along with them at the same time. There is a great “reserve” waiting in the wings to become other great leaders in a number of places (Dept. of Defense, Dept. of Interior, etc...)


15 posted on 03/29/2014 4:19:12 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Hostage

Using the term “we” when talking about one’s personal opinion is a misuse of the english language.


16 posted on 03/29/2014 4:26:27 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I kept thinking this is the NY Times and always ask when reading their brand of garbage "what is their game?".

Because the NY Times culture always has an agenda formed by their insulated yet delusional consensus.

So I read the entire piece looking for their angle of attack and found it in this comment.

Look for Mr. Cruz to moderate his views as rank-and-file conservatives, exhausted by more than a decade of war, move closer to Mr. Paul’s neo-isolationist views.

Liberals are surveying the republican field of candidates. Christie is toast even though liberals would like to see him in play because they believe Her Thighness could surely beat the stuffings out of His Fatness. Who then will they promote as the next republican loser?

Well there's Bush of the Jeb variety, but even they can see that Barbara had it correct, that the country has had its fill of Bush stew.

Who then? Who can they amplify on a weekly basis to shape the minds of the plebiscite?

Voila; up with Paul, down with Cruz. Paul the more 'collegial'; Cruz, the narrow sensation of right-wingers, hard right wingers that is.

But curiously they reveal their deliberations on how to attack Cruz. They concede he is 'off the wall smart' which is not only true but is evidenced by his academic credentials and awards. So they know they can't win with a 'Cruz is dumb' message. So they have to go with the 'Cruz is dangerous' message. This is exactly what they did with Ronald Reagan in 1980 when they ranted that it was a clear near certainty that RR would start WWIII with the Soviets.

17 posted on 03/29/2014 4:31:39 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Flick Lives

Wrong. His opinion on Paul is the opinion of the vast majority of conservatives on this forum.

And who are you to judge what is a misuse of the ‘english’ language? That’s English with a capital ‘E’ to you Bucko.


18 posted on 03/29/2014 4:34:33 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One of the Paultard isolationist idiots claims the mantle of the man who knocked down the iron curtain? Hardly.


19 posted on 03/29/2014 5:01:55 AM PDT by MrEdd (vHeck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: fwdude

Yeah, I’m just not feeling Paul. He’s been taking far too many positions that will make him a bit dangerous as president. VP? Maybe. But Cruz has my support.


20 posted on 03/29/2014 5:04:57 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: ansel12

I think a recent book about Reagan’s years at General Electric help understand how his philosophy was developed.

The story is well told in Thomas W. Evans’ book, “The Education of Ronald Reagan.”


21 posted on 03/29/2014 5:23:38 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: VanDeKoik

Not exactly “feeling” Paul either. Does anyone know of any politician that always walks like his hands are tied behind him? Does it look weird to you too?

Is it some Little Man Syndrome or something? Is there a Freeper psychologist In at the moment? That body language must say something.


22 posted on 03/29/2014 5:27:48 AM PDT by A'elian' nation ("Political Correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I was wondering where this corrupt, lying piece of liberal dung ended up after leaving the WSJ. He’s a not particularly talented “B list” liberal who writes anti-conservative screeds (or subtle, misdirecting here’s “what the conservatives ought to do” pieces) with holes in the logic that you can drop a semi truck through sideways.


23 posted on 03/29/2014 5:27:58 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Hardastarboard

I remember this dingbat back from when he was on CNN’s The Capital Gang. I think he was there to make the execrable dunce Mark Shields look smart (or was it the other way around ?).


24 posted on 03/29/2014 5:35:57 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ted Cruz has it. Rand Paul does not.


25 posted on 03/29/2014 5:48:08 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Hostage

So would you have the same opinion of Sarah Palin given her endorsement of John McCain in his recent Senate run?


26 posted on 03/29/2014 6:04:51 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: ansel12

>> Paul is a Senator <<

There oughta be a law that no Senator or ex-Senator could run for or be chosen as POTUS. Senators are bloviators, who are almost always bad managers.

Therefore, no more JFK’s, no more LBJ’s, no more John Edwardses, no more John Kerrys, no more McCains, no more Bob Doles, no more Obamas, no more Nixons, no more Warren Hardings.

(And yes, I’d be willing to give up Goldwater and Truman as part of the bargain.)


27 posted on 03/29/2014 6:10:06 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

....they both claim to be the heirs to the party’s contemporary patron saint, Ronald Reagan.
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I don’t think Ronald Reagan would have endorsed Mitch McConnell over a Conservative like Matt Bevin. Rand Paul did. In my book Rand Paul has pissed into the wind.

CRUZ IN 2016!


28 posted on 03/29/2014 6:35:02 AM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: ravenwolf

If Cruz keeps it up he should have a good chance at the presidency.
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I will incur the wrath of some on here for saying this, but, America is ready for a President with a Hispanic surname.

CRUZ IN 2016!


29 posted on 03/29/2014 6:36:40 AM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: Hostage
Rand Paul......His endorsement of McConnell was the final straw because it was entirely unnecessary in principle except the principle of campaign money which is all McConnell has to offer as a conduit for K Street corruption. Paul is therefore a sellout

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Someone else has expressed the same sentiments as I have for weeks on here. I don't trust Rand Paul. He showed his true colors when he endorsed Mitch McConnell.
30 posted on 03/29/2014 6:41:05 AM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: fwdude

Please! Reagan would never have contempt for “social” issues like Paul has.

***
Amen!
And Paul is an amnesty supporter.


31 posted on 03/29/2014 7:19:28 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Din Maker

I don’t choose candidates based on their race, ethnicity, or sex. Cruz is my choice because from what I can see he is a courageous conservatives.

However, it would be fun to turn the tables on the Rats and tell them that they oppose him because he is Hispanic.


32 posted on 03/29/2014 7:31:58 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: bigdaddy45

Apples and oranges. Palin suffered in 2010 for sticking up for McCain but it was semi-understandable as McCain had brought Palin to the national stage.

But the analogy stops there.

No where and at no time did McConnell ever benefit Paul’s candidacy for Senator, in fact McConnell supported Paul’s Republican opponent, Trey Grayson, in the Kentucky primary in 2010.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-mitch-mcconnell-reelection-glenn-beck-interview


33 posted on 03/29/2014 8:04:50 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Hostage
Wrong. His opinion on Paul is the opinion of the vast majority of conservatives on this forum.

Show me the data, si vous s'il vous plaît.

And who are you to judge what is a misuse of the ‘english’ language? That’s English with a capital ‘E’ to you Bucko.

And one might ask... who are you? As to 'Bucko', I remain affectionately yours,

Buckaroo

34 posted on 03/29/2014 8:09:17 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: Din Maker

I will incur the wrath of some on here for saying this, but, America is ready for a President with a Hispanic surname.

CRUZ IN 2016!>>>>>>

I will go along with that and he will have my vote as i believe he really does represent the American people and may use common sense rather than an indoctrinated ideology.

I also agree with Paul about keeping America out of other countries business, but we helped feed the monster until it grew to big for any one to handle so how can we now just ignore it.


35 posted on 03/29/2014 9:19:17 AM PDT by ravenwolf (hat many years.ost void of pend us)
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To: ravenwolf

Cruz means cross


36 posted on 03/29/2014 9:21:06 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Hostage

So let me get this straight.... Palin gets a pass because she had reason to be loyal to McCain? Even though he’s the RINO of all RINO’s?? Sorry to burst your bubble, but thats crap. If Palin is as courageous and “rogue” as everyone makes her out to be, then she would have had the guts to endorse McCain’s primary opponent. Otherwise, she’s just another party hack defending her friends.


37 posted on 03/29/2014 9:23:05 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: ravenwolf

A Cruz/Paul administration might look like the odd couple, but might get the enthusiasm of small-l libertarians as well as more conventional conservatives. The veep does not need to be an exact ditto of the prez. The government has tasked itself with way too much to be able to actually follow through on it, and Paul would be as good as anything to spearhead the task of “right sizing” it.


38 posted on 03/29/2014 9:24:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: bigdaddy45

Well, fault her as you wish for a bad choice, she could have done worse. She made it crystal clear that she was going to help John McCain, and she did. That’s almost infinitely better than being a two faced hypocrite saying the right thing and usually doing the wrong thing.


39 posted on 03/29/2014 9:26:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: fwdude

Scott Walker, he’s got the bona fides and liberal skins on the wall


40 posted on 03/29/2014 9:30:43 AM PDT by Despot of the Delta
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To: bigdaddy45

Here is the way it looked in 2010, just before Palin led us to history making conservative victories in the 2010 election cycle.

4/5/2010
I think that the 2008 Republican VP not supporting the Presidential candidate in his reelection to his Senate seat would make the entire Republican race of 2008 look like a failed sham that the GOP was trying to pull over the public’s eyes, and I think that it would have halted the momentum that conservatives have built in recent months.

I believe that the general public would view Palin as shallow, unstable, and threatening, and also see the entire Republican brand in the same way, like they are in disarray and broken and most importantly, unstable and not ready to lead. Obama and the Democrats would be seen as the more stable and their win of 2008 would be perceived as the nation dodging a bullet that did not become known to the general public until Palin turned on the man that 60 million Americans voted for, for President.

I think that Palin has the reasons that you and others describe, but I also think that she sees the big picture and knows that the image that affects the vast general public will effect all of the conservative hopes for 2010, and that the general public does not see or want the same thing that the smaller number of us that despise McCain see or want.

I think that the media would have created an entire devastating narrative on the Arizona race that they would have used as a bludgeon against the Republicans and the Tea Parties and conservatives, and they would have buried Palin for good in an image of totally negative character and personality descriptions. It would all be incredibly ugly and while we here would see through it, the vast voting public would not, and that would effect all of our races nationally, and at the same time make Obama and his party look like a beacon of stability and consistency.


41 posted on 03/29/2014 9:33:34 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry, but the Reagan mantle falls on Sarah Palin first.

President No. 45.


42 posted on 03/29/2014 9:36:08 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Both are outstanding American patriots. We need 98 more just like them in the Senate.


43 posted on 03/29/2014 9:37:26 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The government has tasked itself with way too much to be able to actually follow through on it, and Paul would be as good as anything to spearhead the task of “right sizing” it.


I agree, in both size and power, big Government is an enemy to the people and the constitution because Government employees which is the biggest voting group votes for them selves in the form of bigger Government which brings them more power and more money.


44 posted on 03/29/2014 9:46:59 AM PDT by ravenwolf (hat many years.ost void of pend us)
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To: ravenwolf

Such folly is eventually self punishing. One can try to head it off by means of wisdom.


45 posted on 03/29/2014 9:49:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Cruz means cross>>>>

Will you please interpret?


46 posted on 03/29/2014 9:49:54 AM PDT by ravenwolf (hat many years.ost void of pend us)
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To: ravenwolf

As in Christian cross. In the Christian faith, a cross is identified as the place where God did the world the biggest favor of all.


47 posted on 03/29/2014 9:52:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Such folly is eventually self punishing. One can try to head it off by means of wisdom.


Would you please tell me what you are referring to?


48 posted on 03/29/2014 9:52:42 AM PDT by ravenwolf (hat many years.ost void of pend us)
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To: ravenwolf

Oversize, greedy government


49 posted on 03/29/2014 9:53:16 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

As in Christian cross. In the Christian faith, a cross is identified as the place where God did the world the biggest favor of all.>>>>

Ok,Thanks,


50 posted on 03/29/2014 9:56:19 AM PDT by ravenwolf (hat many years.ost void of pend us)
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