Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Risk of [Seattle] slide "unforeseen"? Warnings go back decades.
The Seattle Times ^ | Mar. 24, 2014 | Ken Armstrong, Mike Carter and Mike Baker

Posted on 03/29/2014 7:24:19 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne

Since the 1950s, geological reports on the hill that buckled during the weekend in Snohomish County have included pessimistic analyses and the occasional dire prediction. But no language seems more prescient than what appears in a 1999 report filed with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, warning of “the potential for a large catastrophic failure.”

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: mudslide; predictions; warning
For 60 years there have been slides there, and nothing much could be done to prevent them.

Yet... John Pennington, head of Snohomish County's Department of Emergency Management, said at a news conference Monday. “It was considered very safe,” Pennington said. “This was a completely unforeseen slide. This came out of nowhere.”

1 posted on 03/29/2014 7:24:19 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne

Maybe John should take his feet off his desk, stop figuring his retirement statistics and read the 1999 report.


2 posted on 03/29/2014 7:27:25 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne
Snohomish County

AmandaKnox-LeftLand, where Obama is God-King, and where there are always enough votes to be found to carry the state for the Democrat Party.

3 posted on 03/29/2014 7:29:31 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is very sick . Hold all contributions until we see who picks up the patient..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne

They knew that hill was sliding, but never imagined it would cross the river. They were more interested in granting building permits for houses they could garnish more tax money from.


4 posted on 03/29/2014 7:33:54 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kenny Bunk

That’s always the case. Think N.O. & Katrina. Thing S.F. and the next BIG ONE. I hope a Republican administration is in place to take care of the medical logistics. The rest of the city? I’ll let you folks make the call.


5 posted on 03/29/2014 7:35:10 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne
The 2006 slide took place in winter, on Jan. 25. Three days later, as the new channel cut the land, “residents and agency staff reported the eerie sound of trees constantly snapping as the river pushed them over,” wrote the Stillaguamish Tribe’s Natural Resource Department on its website. But the sound of construction competed with the sound of snapping trees.

“They didn’t even stop pounding nails,” said Tracy Drury, an environmental engineer

Amazing.

So... what is Pennington covering up?

Is he getting paid under the table to approve dubious projects?

Did he think the 2006 slide cleaned the place up so it wouldn't happen again for a long while?

Is he just incapable of reading?

What?

6 posted on 03/29/2014 7:37:50 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne

Might as well start blaming Obama for everything right here, right now. So from now on, it’s all Obama’s fault.


7 posted on 03/29/2014 7:38:44 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ponygirl; All

The interactive graphic overlay in the article is just awesome..Do click on it


8 posted on 03/29/2014 7:38:51 AM PDT by ken5050 (I fear a world run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne

The national media has been asleep on this story. Why? Is the missing Malaysian jet that spectacular that 100 people missing in this landslide is to be ignored? They’re ignoring it because it is yet another example of a dismal failure of government.


9 posted on 03/29/2014 7:40:23 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne
One scientist said it's impossible to try and stabilize the cliff.

100% true...yet we're somehow supposed to stop "global warming?"

10 posted on 03/29/2014 7:41:42 AM PDT by ken5050 (I fear a world run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: equaviator
Might as well start blaming Obama for everything right here, right now.

No, Obama is the SYMPTOM, not a cause.

11 posted on 03/29/2014 7:46:15 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne

Yeah and it doesn’t bode well because it’s not yet a full-blown case, although it could be just around the corner. Even though their not my symptoms, the toll taken feels like it’s been too close to home.


12 posted on 03/29/2014 7:56:41 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne

Just read a couple of Seattle Times articles. LIDAR imaging shows slides going back 14,000 years along this stretch of escarpment above the Stillaguamish River.


13 posted on 03/29/2014 7:57:18 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ProtectOurFreedom

Yep, that LIDAR map is astonishing! Anywhere along there might let go at any time.


14 posted on 03/29/2014 8:19:14 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Kenny Bunk
AmandaKnox-LeftLand, where Obama is God-King, and where there are always enough votes to be found to carry the state for the Democrat Party.
The dead so far include loggers, truck drivers, satellite dish installers, mothers, babies, a retired Navy commander with four children. I don't know about Snohomish county voting records, but these are mostly blue collar people that work for a living, not the commies in King county and Seattle. Your statement makes no sense, in fact it is quite hateful.
15 posted on 03/29/2014 8:24:50 AM PDT by dainbramaged (Don't tell me, I'll tell you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: dainbramaged
Well, what can I say, imagine a guy from Maine confusing King County and Snohomish!

If Snohomish County voted Republican, I am heartily sorry. If your County voted Democrat, and your officials are Democrat Appointees, hold the apology for some other cause.

BTW, the very existence of that 1999 report makes the instability of the area a disclosable issue in a real estate transaction. So what you have in your County is official malfeasance in office combined with private lapses in due diligence. Even in Maine, that generally can have fatal consequences. Don't waste anger on me, even if I am an insensitive oaf.

Be very mad at the officials who allowed subdivision and development in that area. When they signed the permits, they signed death warrants.

16 posted on 03/29/2014 8:38:20 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is very sick . Hold all contributions until we see who picks up the patient..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of such hills in Western Washington.

100% glacier sh!t with no bedrock.

If you evacuated around them all there would be no place to live.

17 posted on 03/29/2014 8:43:59 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hal ogen

“Take his feet off his desk...” great imagery. Appreciate it.


18 posted on 03/29/2014 8:45:11 AM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: ponygirl

They are letting us assume it was an act of God. I had not noticed the deflection. Good call.


19 posted on 03/29/2014 8:46:35 AM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne

Weren’t there boobs whom bloviated the same BS after N.O and Katrina? (And, IIRC, there has not been a trail/trial re: where the $$ went in N.O.)


20 posted on 03/29/2014 8:47:22 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mariner

This could just as easily have been “South Hill Puyallup” sliding into the city of Puyallup.


21 posted on 03/29/2014 8:48:15 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Mariner

The town of Orting is surrounded by such hills.


22 posted on 03/29/2014 8:49:28 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Mariner

The entire Kent Valley, east and West, from Auburn to Lake Washington is surrounded by such hills.


23 posted on 03/29/2014 8:51:29 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Mariner
f you evacuated around them all there would be no place to live.

Maybe, but then it shouldn't be "unforeseen" that one happened.

24 posted on 03/29/2014 8:53:02 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne

Local radio started broaching the blame issue this week. Lots of mention of reviewing logging permits but from that interactive map there’s a lot of what appears to be dead trees bordering that slide area. Some cutting and replanting might have helped prevent the slide.

The county is in full CYA mode. One report said houses built there were not safe and unneeded since some 50% are in foreclosure.


25 posted on 03/29/2014 8:58:25 AM PDT by moehoward
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne

It is certain that eventually all of them will give way. It’s just a matter of time and weather.


26 posted on 03/29/2014 9:03:47 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: ponygirl

That’s almost always the case in these situations.


27 posted on 03/29/2014 9:13:14 AM PDT by NVDave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne

There was a woman on TV or radio this week that said she (they) were never warned about the instability of the area and potential for a slide. She said, where’s the report? We’ve never seen the report.

One of the local radio stations has been discussing this non-stop in the 3-7 p.m. time slot all week. One of the hosts said that if there was a report then people could probably not get insurance for their houses, only the possessions inside; and, given the mud is 20+ feet deep in some areas, they’ll probably never be able to build on the land again, so essentially they’ve lost everything and have to relocate and start from scratch.

I’ve had my home loan for some time so don’t recall. Don’t loaners want folks to have insurance? Which made me think of something else, why would a bank or mortgage company loan folks money to build or purchase homes on an unstable area? Perhaps the same reason the county issued building permits - - to make money? Or, perhaps the folks and loaners never did see/hear about the report (though my dad, a retired geologist, said it’s been know for years).


28 posted on 03/29/2014 9:21:41 AM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kenny Bunk

I’m sure there is lots of pressure exerted by lot-owners to get permits approved for their houses.


29 posted on 03/29/2014 9:37:16 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: moehoward

I live in Shoreline, north of Seattle and just south of the Snohomish County line. We are, on the local scene, trying to fight a huge development that Snohomish Count wants to put it just on the other side of the count line.

Apparently the Growth Management plan for Snohomish is worse than the King County plan. Both counties are bascall dim strongholds.

This project would be in a slide zone, where mudslides have occurred every few years. It is at the base of a hill.

The problem with Washington state is the greenies ruined logging and fishing and the state likes to recklessly build stuff to recoup the tax money that they gave away for the greenie’s pipe dreams.


30 posted on 03/29/2014 9:41:31 AM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: ken5050

“...yet we’re somehow supposed to stop “global warming?”

There was a time, some 12,000 years ago, when glaciers stabilized those hills. Something like a mile and a half of ice. SUV’s caused those hills to slide. /s


31 posted on 03/29/2014 12:38:51 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: angry elephant
"...greenies ruined logging and fishing…"

Not really. You have to remember whose in control and where the money goes. Logging permits pay for lots of the Libs projects. The Stranger has a pretty good article.

As far as the fish go. It ain't the "greenies" running the show at all.

32 posted on 03/29/2014 7:42:49 PM PDT by moehoward
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Izzy Dunne

I heard on the radio coming home last night that the law was padded in 2007 (IIRC) and stated that only new permits had to include a letter about potential slides, etc. A resident was on and said he never received a call, letter, warning or anything. Apparently, since only those obtaining ‘new’ permits after 2007 had to receive the letter, only 1 person did as there was only 1 application for a permit after 2007.


33 posted on 04/04/2014 6:42:28 AM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson