Posted on 03/29/2014 8:00:25 AM PDT by don-o
A Chinese and an Australian ship have failed to identify remains from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight after their first day in a new search area.
The two ships retrieved objects from the Indian Ocean but none was confirmed to be from missing flight MH370, Australia's maritime authority said.
Chinese aircraft also flew over the area, north-east of the previous zone, and have spotted more objects.
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There is no way in hell the possession of a 777 airliner is going to be kept quiet, with ears up all over the world-and above it. Even if you landed it on a dirt runway, put it in a hangar in the most remote part of some 3d world country and used a fleet of skidloaders to cover it with treelimbs and trash like a landfill, something is going to “see”.
And you would never keep that many hostages shut up and confined either-there are always those willing to risk their lives to get out, and many had cell phones, too. The passengers would have been killed before hijackers tried to land that plane. I think they screwed up-either underestimated their fuel consumption, or were set upon by passengers/crew not wanting to be hijacked-either way, they are at the bottom of the Indian Ocean...
Depending upon the latitude, due west could be towards India. The behaviour while over the South China Sea may have been to move from one air corridor to another without attracting too much attention.
The only reason we are searching where we are is that the pings to Inmarsat were decoded and the time shifts proved that at some time after the last radar “paint” the dead or unconscious “person” at the controls took control and headed south. Or the auto-pilot (HAL) took control. Am I correct?
If the person at the controls was already dead or unconscious, why didn't the plane maintain it's present course? Furthermore, if the plane's flight control system was hacked and remotely controlled, why did the hackers select just flight-370? Why didn't they hack the entire fleet?
Indian Ocean trash is estimate to be 20,000,000 tons ...
Yes. Like I said “meanwhile on an airstrip in Pakistan/Iran” :-)
Let me add my other concern about the INMARSAT analysis. Based on the very cursory explanation given (and echoed by the media) they used doppler analysis to determine the frequency shift of the “ping” signal and then determined that the southern route was the best fit model for the data observed. What I’d like to understand is how exactly INMARSAT measured the frequency of the ping with such precision?
Speed of airplane = 600 miles per hour
Speed of light = 670,000,000 miles per hour
SA/SL = 9e-7 * 1,600,000,000 HZ = 1400Hz
This requires not just capturing the data (digital message from Flt. 370) but the exact frequency of that signal at the satellite’s uplink receiver. Was this capability onboard the satellite, and why would it be, since it’s not needed for normal communications purposes and satellites generally don’t carry any extra mass. Also, given that the satellite drifts in it’s geo-sync orbit in a figure-8 pattern, it was moving toward and away from Flt. 370 at the time also.
I can accept that INMARSAT would be able to factor out the station-keeping drift of their satellite, but to fully accept this analysis, I’d really like to see a breakdown of the data format from the satellite to ground that shows exactly how and with what precision the frequency of each received signal is measured, and communicated to the ground so that doppler shift could be calculated.
They have to drop bouys if for no other reason than to get a sense of ocean currents. At 3mph, any debris could now be over 1,500 miles from the original point of impact and widely dispersed.
And stuff is known to float for years, decades, even centuries from time to time, spending unknown amounts of time unremarked, stuck in the same long endless current, or in doldrums. The Indian Ocean has lots of shipping, stuff lost from ships is probably at least as big a problem there as anywhere. Of course, this search is going on in a place where the plane never was, imho.
That is a staggering amount-I wouldn’t want to have to dig through it all...
First, I don’t think the Malaysians have been forthcoming at all.
- If they are telling the truth, they are worse than the Three Stooges. The information they have given out has been consistently late, long after it should have been revealed to assist in a search.
- If they are telling the truth, NOTHING about this makes sense.
1. Everything was normal.
2. The ACARS System was shut off. This wasn’t accidental, this was deliberate.
3. The pilots said goodnight.
4. The transponder was shut off, this wasn’t accidental, this was deliberate.
5. The plane turned South and climbed to 45,000.
6. The plane dropped precipitously.
7. The plane leveled off an turned WNW, tracking a known airline route.
8. Radar contact was lost.
9. The plane flew for roughly 5 more hours, maybe more.
A. That doesn’t fit mechanical difficulties.
B. That doesn’t fit a suicide pilot.
If the Malaysians have NOT been forthcoming, then they are somehow involved in what happened. That makes me think pilot went rogue and tried to blackmail the Malaysian government over his political hero being jailed the previous day. Malaysians might have shot it down and are covering their tracks by distraction and ineptness.
It’s free publicity for INMARSAT.
Where do you think it went down? I don’t pretend to know anything about co-ordinates, etc-that is one big ocean...
The sat photos seen so far resolve to about 50cm (20” - the legal commercial resolution), while it is known that even the mil sat resolution from the 60-70s could count the hairs and read the print on the paper some Russian was reading. What they resolve today ... who knows?
But we do not see any of that used here ... it would reveal too much.
If the plane is not in the Indian Ocean, and is, in fact, in some country like Pakistan (who was extremely quick to deny the plane was there and someone in the country received a text message from the flight), there will be a secret op to ‘fix’ the problem - but we will never hear about it and the whole affair will remain a mystery.
I meant to say...if they manage to physically recover a piece of wreckage..no mater how small..it’s likely they can tell if it came from the plane..
Like most everyone, I’ve heard stories of shipping containers full of everything from grain to chemicals being found after going overboard in a storm or sinking 80+ years ago. True, but hard to visualize how that could happen.
Actually no ... it’s from the engineers at Inmarsat and the AAIB (UK Air Accidents Investigation Board).
Your questions about the Inmarsat receiver's capabilities are valid and are similar to mine.
I have a friend who is a very experienced RF engineer and I've spoken with him several times about this question of the Inmarsat data. One possibility is another Inmarsat satellite with overlapping coverage had record of fl-370 engine communications.
Another possibility is that every logfile of 777 engine reports in which positional data was also reported was compared against fl-370 engine reports. Inmarsat engineers may have then been able to determine that based on speed and direction, the received signals would have certain characteristic phase (Doppler) shifts.
That because at 3mph, any debris may now be over 1,500 miles away from the original crash site and widely dispersed.
But there will be a push to do so ... mainly because each nation involved is hoping the other will reveal more about their secret’ mil tech, while testing out their own in a place so remote that the public will never know exactly what is being done..
It seems to me, hearing about drift, currents, dispersal, and all else that happens on the ocean surface-that maybe those subs and ROVs with all their listening equipment that are said to be available/on the way might be the better search vehicles. Surely things-especially big ones-don’t move around that much down on the ocean floor unless there is an earthquake-and I’m guessing a big piece of a plane might be easier to find, especially if it is sending an auto signal.
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