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1.3 Percent Doctrine, 98.7 Percent Delusion: Why Obama canít convince Europe to spend on defense
National Review ^ | 03/29/2013 | Tom Rogan

Posted on 03/29/2014 11:02:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: defense; europe; welfare

1 posted on 03/29/2014 11:02:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

In a nutshell, Europe cannot afford to cut back on its entitlements without risking a continental wide riot.


2 posted on 03/29/2014 11:13:00 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: SeekAndFind

You can bet that if we cut our defense budget, they’ll be the first to call us isolationists.


3 posted on 03/29/2014 11:19:08 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Jonty30

Well we`re not in very good shape either, so we gotta defend`em? Yea, right!


4 posted on 03/29/2014 11:20:29 AM PDT by nomad
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To: SeekAndFind

5 posted on 03/29/2014 11:22:31 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: Jonty30
In a nutshell, Europe cannot afford to cut back on its entitlements without risking a continental wide riot.
6 posted on 03/29/2014 11:24:36 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: nomad

I think it would be good for Europe to be forced to confront reality and grow up.


7 posted on 03/29/2014 11:24:45 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: SeekAndFind

If the US is gong to be the standing army for Europe, then Europe should pay; if they won’t, then a periodic dose of Putin might cause an attitude adjustment - or not.


8 posted on 03/29/2014 11:26:05 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: ealgeone

I think I said that.


9 posted on 03/29/2014 11:26:32 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30
In a nutshell, Europe cannot afford to cut back on its entitlements without risking a continental wide riot.

Kind of like the continental wide riot that will happen in America, when the welfare queens are cut off.

10 posted on 03/29/2014 11:30:07 AM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Mark17

Yep.


11 posted on 03/29/2014 11:30:42 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

and guess who are the biggest rioters in the EU?

rhymes with “fuzzies”.


12 posted on 03/29/2014 11:31:53 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Europe is rich enough to defend itself. If they want to be a province of Russia, that’s their choice.

America is under no obligation to protect Europe from its own laziness and lack of prudence.


13 posted on 03/29/2014 11:35:48 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jonty30
In a nutshell, Europe cannot afford to cut back on its entitlements without risking a continental wide riot.

We should never have allowed "world opinion" suck us into "military humanitarian" missions.

Kosovo, Libya, Kuwait -- we should have said "The conflict does not strategically impact the US. It DOES seem like a good exercise for EU militaries. If you feel strongly that something should be done, we won't stop you, go ahead. If you see Russian armored divisions coming through the Fulda Gap, let us know and we'll be there. Til then, have fun."

14 posted on 03/29/2014 11:38:15 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Truth29
If the US is gong to be the standing army for Europe, then Europe should pay; if they won’t, then a periodic dose of Putin might cause an attitude adjustment - or not.

I suspect mostly NOT. I don't know if there is any hope for Europe in military defense.

15 posted on 03/29/2014 11:38:19 AM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Mark17

Americans want to live like Europeans - with free health care, ebt and cradle to grave welfare.

We see no reason why we should deprive Americans of creature comforts to subsidize lazy European slackers.

Americans want a taste of the la dolce vita lifestyle. They’ve earned it.


16 posted on 03/29/2014 11:43:19 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Secret Agent Man

They are the biggest recipients.


17 posted on 03/29/2014 11:44:05 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

Of Uncle Sam’s welfare. Its time we began taking care of Americans at home.


18 posted on 03/29/2014 11:46:12 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mark17

“Kind of like the continental wide riot that will happen in America, when the welfare queens are cut off. “

I simply can’t picture even a Republican majority and a Republican president cutting off the welfare queens. Nobody has the b@lls. I’d like to be wrong on this, but there have been plenty of Republican majorities with the required Republican president over the last 30 years...and nothing got cut. Instead we got the EPA the Education Empire and even more entitlements.


19 posted on 03/29/2014 11:48:24 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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We’re building a European welfare state. The old American exceptionalism is dead.

It works for them so we might as well crash the party. If they’re jealous, tough luck.


20 posted on 03/29/2014 11:50:54 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would have cut Europe off from the “free defense” gravy train a LONG time ago, the socialism there would have collapsed a lot sooner...

After the soviets fell I would have left Europe.

Why are we indirectly subsiding socialism in Europe anyways?


21 posted on 03/29/2014 11:51:55 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Jonty30

damn straight they are.


22 posted on 03/29/2014 11:52:33 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: GraceG

And why do they complain we’re going down the same path? The ingrates have no standing to complain after all the American blood, sweat, tears and treasure poured on Europe.

We want to live the “good life” like they do. Let them take care of themselves.


23 posted on 03/29/2014 11:55:09 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeekAndFind

As much as it kills me, Obama is right. They need to provide for their own defense. They had 70 years to build up their defense and military strategies. If we move to protect them, they would call us war mongers. We can’t win either way.


24 posted on 03/29/2014 11:57:28 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: goldstategop

“It works for them so we might as well crash the party”

It only works for them because they hardly spend a dime on defense. I think it was Churchill who said, “We can have a strong military or we can have a socialist state. But we can’t have both.”


25 posted on 03/29/2014 11:57:48 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

We’re doing the same thing. We’re reducing defense spending. I see no reason for us to do more than minimum to protect America from an unlikely foreign invasion. In any case, there’s not much we can or should do about Europe.


26 posted on 03/29/2014 12:00:13 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jonty30
yes....looks like my post didn't make it.

I meant to include that Europe will have to raise taxes or cut their nanny state to pay for an increase in defense spending.

27 posted on 03/29/2014 12:14:28 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: Gen.Blather
I simply can’t picture even a Republican majority and a Republican president cutting off the welfare queens

You are right. No one has the stones to do that. What I was thinking of, is that a total economic meltdown is about the only thing that will cut them off. When that happens, the fight is on.

28 posted on 03/29/2014 12:14:59 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: SeekAndFind

Any/ALL POTUS and every Congress should issue the ultimatum: Kick it up to 3% and meet strict readiness and capability criteria set by the US JCS, or we’re withdrawing from the NATO treaty in five years.


29 posted on 03/29/2014 12:38:20 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SeekAndFind

In fairness to Obama NO ONE can convince the Europeans to pay for their own defense. That wonderful free universal health care isn’t cheap.


30 posted on 03/29/2014 1:21:48 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: nomad

And remind me again why its the USA’s job to confront Putin?


31 posted on 03/29/2014 2:41:49 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: ealgeone

You appear to suffer from the illusion that tax increases always raise revenue. Europe is way over the wrong side of the Laffer curve. They need to cut taxes and regulation, and they need to jump start their economies by developing domestic energy sources. They can also educate their populace to understand that hard work is a virtue and that laziness is dragging their Continent into the sewer.

Not gonna happen, so it’s Alpha Mike Foxtrot for them.


32 posted on 03/29/2014 6:51:58 PM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: Jonty30
In a nutshell, Europe cannot afford to cut back on its entitlements without risking a continental wide riot.
They can if they are willing to save themselves and Western civilization by expelling the foreigners feeding at their troth and ending foreign aid. There will be short term pain. The problem is that their traitor class rulinig Europe will countenance no such thing.
33 posted on 03/29/2014 11:33:18 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: PGR88

That was sarcasm.


34 posted on 03/30/2014 6:16:26 AM PDT by nomad
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