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Navy says goodbye to sub [USS Miami} damaged by worker's arson
AP via Yahoo ^ | March 28 2014 | DAVID SHARP

Posted on 03/29/2014 8:15:21 PM PDT by Daffynition

KITTERY, Maine (AP) — The Navy said farewell Friday to the USS Miami, the nuclear-powered submarine whose service was cut short when a shipyard employee trying to get out of work set it on fire, causing $700 million in damage.

The somber deactivation ceremony at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard marked the beginning of an inglorious end: Next year, the submarine will be towed to the West Coast to be cut up for scrap metal.

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Sad day.


1 posted on 03/29/2014 8:15:21 PM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

The person who did this ought to be imprisoned for life.


2 posted on 03/29/2014 8:19:23 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Too lenient.


3 posted on 03/29/2014 8:20:29 PM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

They should be shot.


4 posted on 03/29/2014 8:20:41 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The worker who set the fire said he was suffering from anxiety and wanted to leave work early. He’s serving a 17-year prison sentence.


5 posted on 03/29/2014 8:21:11 PM PDT by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Daffynition
A sad day, indeed! I haven't followed this atrocity - can you tell me what, if anything, has happened to the misbegotten cretin who caused it?



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

6 posted on 03/29/2014 8:22:40 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1<center> <table back969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Daffynition

They should rename it the USS Obama first.


7 posted on 03/29/2014 8:23:59 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Daffynition

Not nearly enough.


8 posted on 03/29/2014 8:24:02 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/15/worker-who-set-fire-to-uss-miami-submarine-to-be-sentenced/

As if, they are going to get the $400M restitution. Meh.


9 posted on 03/29/2014 8:25:52 PM PDT by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Daffynition
A 700 million sub and the guy gets 17 years? He should be made to pay it all back, however long that takes. As it is, we are paying for his incarceration. Tie him to a lamp post with a ten foot leash to clean everything in that circle for the rest of his life. Just a thought.
10 posted on 03/29/2014 8:26:04 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: ConorMacNessa; neverdem

Dammit.
Damn him to his own hell.

Muslim?


11 posted on 03/29/2014 8:27:10 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

“Muslim?”

No he is worse. He is a Union member


12 posted on 03/29/2014 8:28:57 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: smokingfrog

I volunteer!Build another to replace it!!!


13 posted on 03/29/2014 8:29:57 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: Fungi
A 700 million sub

Actually, $700 Million is only the cost of the repairs.

Pretty amazing, considering the guy just set fire to a bunch of rags in the top bunk of the bunkroom, in order to get out of work early ...


14 posted on 03/29/2014 8:31:02 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Daffynition

So that’s 41 million a year. He got a great deal...


15 posted on 03/29/2014 8:37:30 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: canuck_conservative
"Pretty amazing, considering the guy just set fire to a bunch of rags in the top bunk of the bunkroom, in order to get out of work early ..."

A cynical person might even think the current administration found a convenient excuse to get rid of a nuclear sub.

16 posted on 03/29/2014 8:37:39 PM PDT by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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To: canuck_conservative
Pretty amazing, considering the guy just set fire to a bunch of rags in the top bunk of the bunkroom, in order to get out of work early ...

The Law of Unintended Consequences has its way with jackasses everywhere.

17 posted on 03/29/2014 8:42:39 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Flag_This

They’re coming with some pretty creative excuses to get rid of a lot of senior Nuclear Missile Officers, so that would be right-in-keeping with them ....


18 posted on 03/29/2014 8:42:46 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Daffynition

The only person we hated being on ship more than a queer was an arsonist. For the carnage a ship board fire can cause life in prison if non fatal and death if involving serious injury or then the death penalty should be imposed.


19 posted on 03/29/2014 8:44:24 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Daffynition

Fair winds and following seas to her crew.


20 posted on 03/29/2014 8:47:14 PM PDT by 12Gauge687
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The person who did this ought to be imprisoned for life.

Nope,nothing less than a rope will do.

21 posted on 03/29/2014 8:51:22 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: cva66snipe
"The only person we hated being on ship more than a queer was an arsonist."

I was thinking that the biggest threat to any naval vessel has always been fire, going all the way back to the Phoenicians. Given that, I'm amazed that there aren't some sort of automated fire control measures. Maybe there are some (I wasn't Navy, so I'm speaking out of total ignorance here), but they were disabled, since the sub was in dry dock and undergoing repairs.

22 posted on 03/29/2014 8:56:05 PM PDT by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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To: canuck_conservative
"They’re coming with some pretty creative excuses to get rid of a lot of senior Nuclear Missile Officers, so that would be right-in-keeping with them ...."

And just watch, it will be a chinese or russian company (it might even require a presidential E.O. to make it happen) that gets the job to cut up the sub. I'm sure their governments would love the opportunity to get a closer look at our nuclear subs.

23 posted on 03/29/2014 9:03:23 PM PDT by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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To: Fungi

It’s obscene. No way he is going to *pay* that back.

Clownbama’s sequestering and cutbacks with the military make this sad event under his watch.

I’d bet a donut, that Putin would buy the hulk to bolster his rusty navy fleet.


24 posted on 03/29/2014 9:07:09 PM PDT by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Flag_This
A cynical person might even think the current administration found a convenient excuse to get rid of a nuclear sub.

I'm not surprised at all. Besides the expense of the repairs, the hull steel had to have been compromised by the exposure to that much heat for hours and hours. Or who wants to take her out and dive to 1000 feet and make sure it wasn't?

25 posted on 03/29/2014 9:14:46 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: Fungi
The judge imposed the sentence under a plea agreement that limited his time in prison to roughly 15 to 19 years for arson.

Why on earth would the prosecutors plea bargain this case? Are they that lazy that they didn't want to take it to trial?

26 posted on 03/29/2014 9:35:47 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Flag_This
I was thinking that the biggest threat to any naval vessel has always been fire, going all the way back to the Phoenicians. Given that, I'm amazed that there aren't some sort of automated fire control measures. Maybe there are some (I wasn't Navy, so I'm speaking out of total ignorance here), but they were disabled, since the sub was in dry dock and undergoing repairs.

A subs hull and bulkhead construction is significantly different from that of a surface ship. The inner lining for lack of a better term caught fire and under best of conditions would be difficult to put out. The fire had been burning for some time and behind the outer wall it went undetected as it grew. That's what I understand basically happened.

Drydock is a bad place for fires to start anyhow due to the nature of the work involved and as a result extra precautions are taken especially in welding etc. To stop a determined arsonist takes luck or every person being escorted into every space. On a sub that's not practical. Yardbird working in high security areas are supposed to be cleared by DOD. Obviously they aren't as well checked as the crew is which can go back to childhood.

27 posted on 03/29/2014 9:37:18 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: GATOR NAVY
"Besides the expense of the repairs, the hull steel had to have been compromised by the exposure to that much heat for hours and hours."

Wouldn't a fire hot enough to compromise the hull steel require lots and lots of oxygen to burn? Wasn't the air supply something they could have controlled in the confines of a sub by closing hatches? I'm just seeking information, not trying to be a smart aleck with these questions...

28 posted on 03/29/2014 9:45:07 PM PDT by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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To: Daffynition

The arsonist: Casey James Fury

29 posted on 03/29/2014 10:00:32 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The person who did this ought to be imprisoned for life.

I shudder to think what would have happened to him if he had done similar on the other side of the north pole.

30 posted on 03/29/2014 10:15:47 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: jonrick46

Yep. That’s the punk...has a Tim McVey-ness about him.


31 posted on 03/29/2014 10:21:00 PM PDT by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Daffynition

Far too short a sentence.....


32 posted on 03/29/2014 10:38:26 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: Flag_This
Wasn't the air supply something they could have controlled in the confines of a sub by closing hatches?

What you are saying makes perfect sense on a ship in normal condition. I'm assuming though that being in drydock, there were all kinds of compromises to watertight/airtight integrity that would make sealing off the spaces difficult or impossible.

FWIW, I see that wikipedia says "...integrity checks on the hull did not show changes to its metallurgy or strength." But are the people that did those tests going to be onboard when the boat goes to test depth?

33 posted on 03/29/2014 10:45:30 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: Daffynition
There is a Jared Laughner quality in him too . . .


34 posted on 03/29/2014 10:53:19 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: jonrick46

Oh goodness YES! ::shivering::


35 posted on 03/29/2014 10:54:44 PM PDT by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Flag_This
Wouldn't a fire hot enough to compromise the hull steel require lots and lots of oxygen to burn? Wasn't the air supply something they could have controlled in the confines of a sub by closing hatches? I'm just seeking information, not trying to be a smart aleck with these questions...

Not really. Fire can burn at a lower oxygen level than it takes to support life and can still get quite hot. I was a firefighter in the shipyards. We had a three section full time Fire Department made up from the ships crew.

One night I was coming down from the 03 level Last top deck before the flighdeck to the 01 level two decks below to go into one of my shops work spaces. I was off duty that night. Another guy in my shop was also going there and in my fire department duty section. We smelled smoke as we got close to the space. We went down one more deck to the hanger deck and saw smoke coming from a close non watertight no aid tight hatch on a storeroom.

We ran to the quarterdeck looking for a working phone to call the Fire Phone In Damage Control Central. We ended up calling it over the 1mc aka the shops primary PA system.

We went back up to the Fire Dept on the 03 level and geared up. The duty crew took the fire and we did what is called OBA {which is the breathing device activated} investigating to check adjoining spaces above, below and beside the fire as far away as several decks or compartments from the actual fire as it can move quite fast.

By then the deck two decks above the storeroom had floor tile buckling. It was the barber shop. We hosed the deck and bulkheads down to cool the compartment. Steam was coming up. Across the passageway was a J-5 what is called a day tank or small tank likely used to fuel flight deck equipment. We cooled it also.

The guys who took the main fire sad it was confined to the storeroom and had been burning for quite a while likely 5 hours or more was the guess. It was mainly rags and boxes.

Steel is an excellent conductor of heat and on a ship heat transfer can jump compartment to compartment and start additional fires without even a spark coming from the original fire itself.

Submarine construction to deal with sound and other issues has lots of layering between the inside wall you can see and the outer hull you can't see behind it. They would literally have to tear the walls out to get to it and flood spaces thus causing major monetary damage doing so.

36 posted on 03/29/2014 11:05:59 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Daffynition

The guilty party needs to make restitution.....then locked in prison.


37 posted on 03/29/2014 11:09:34 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: Daffynition

All because some dork wanted the day off.


38 posted on 03/29/2014 11:26:49 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Trust no one.)
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To: Daffynition
the submarine will be towed to the West Coast to be cut up for scrap metal

China will just love all that nice metal! We certainly don't seem to want it.

39 posted on 03/30/2014 4:04:36 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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To: All

Those democrat union voters have been sticking a shiv in the back of the military for some time now, I hope they just BRAC that base so Maine can sell the land to make seaside condos.


40 posted on 03/30/2014 4:08:34 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Daffynition

Treason, he should be executed.


41 posted on 03/30/2014 4:24:04 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Nary a peep from the white-hut.

All is going according to his plan of weakening the United States.


42 posted on 03/30/2014 4:41:11 AM PDT by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: cva66snipe; GATOR NAVY

Thank you both very much for your answers to my questions.


43 posted on 03/30/2014 6:28:23 AM PDT by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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