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Obamacare: California proving new health care law can work
San Jose Mercury ^ | 03/28/2014 | Tracy Seipel

Posted on 03/30/2014 9:24:25 AM PDT by artichokegrower

It's almost become a cliché: If the new health care law makes it here, it can make it anywhere.

As thousands of California procrastinators try to beat Monday's midnight deadline to apply for a health care plan, they'll be joining more than 1 million others in the Bellwether State who already have enrolled through California's health insurance exchange. And another 2 million have been determined eligible for Medi-Cal, the state's program for the poor.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: amac; california; coveredcalif; democratcare; donkeycare; exchanges; jackasscare; medicaid; medicaidexpansion; medical; medicareadvantage; obamacare; obamacareanecdotes
2 million have been determined eligible for Medi-Cal, the state's program for the poor.


1 million getting a high deductible, not accepted everywhere, with geographic limits subsidized by their neighbors health care insurance coverage while 2 million get signed up on a totally taxpayer funded Medi-Cal program. While the rest of us are forced to pay more for private policies because our existing plans were determined to be "substandard". Yep looks like California once more is once more proving that Obamacare is working.

1 posted on 03/30/2014 9:24:25 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

IMHO, the government should stay the hell OUT of my health care……..


2 posted on 03/30/2014 9:28:19 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: artichokegrower

People will believe any well packaged fiction however ludicrous. Critical reasoning is not an American forte these days.


3 posted on 03/30/2014 9:28:37 AM PDT by allendale
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To: artichokegrower

Another problem is California cannot afford to fund this program alone and the Government cannot afford to fund Californians without the participation of 49 other states.


4 posted on 03/30/2014 9:29:47 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: artichokegrower
If the new health care law makes it here, it can make it anywhere.

Starting, as they do here, with a bad and invalid premise, does not bode well for obammycare (and I'm glad).

5 posted on 03/30/2014 9:30:42 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: artichokegrower

REPEAL Obamacare and do not replace.


6 posted on 03/30/2014 9:30:50 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: allendale

Once again California leading the way for the rest of the country to follow..... into the trash heap of history.


7 posted on 03/30/2014 9:31:21 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: artichokegrower

Illegals making crapcare work


8 posted on 03/30/2014 9:31:29 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Im missing a jumbo jet with 235 passengers has anyone seen it?)
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To: artichokegrower

9 posted on 03/30/2014 9:32:15 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: artichokegrower

“1 million getting a high deductible, not accepted everywhere, with geographic limits subsidized by their neighbors health care insurance coverage while 2 million get signed up on a totally taxpayer funded Medi-Cal program. While the rest of us are forced to pay more for private policies because our existing plans were determined to be “substandard”. Yep looks like California once more is once more proving that Obamacare is working.”

I had my Medicare Advantage Plan cancelled here in CA. So I had to find a new policy. Just wondering how many like me are being counted as “signing up?” BTW, didn’t use Covered CA, but rather joined AMAC and got excellent coverage through them. Wife cancelled her AARP policy and went with AMAC too. Great bunch of people who are what AARP claims to be, but isn’t.


10 posted on 03/30/2014 9:34:00 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: artichokegrower

I sell the state’s plan and it sucks. Big time.


11 posted on 03/30/2014 9:34:32 AM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: basil

The damned government WILL stay out of my healthcare.

This is not MHO, this is the Natural Law.


12 posted on 03/30/2014 9:36:01 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: artichokegrower
they'll be joining more than 1 million others in the Bellwether State

How many of those are PRISONERS signed up to take the burden off the state for their medical care costs? Hmmmm?

13 posted on 03/30/2014 9:44:10 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: artichokegrower

They can let California have their own system that they are responsible for.

Just dont involve us to pay for it before and after it goes bankrupt.


14 posted on 03/30/2014 9:48:12 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: artichokegrower

Like Stalin’s collectivization of agriculture that starved 5 million, Obamacare will be praised to the bitter end by the true believer/koolaid drinkers. Like Harry Reid’s mantra of all the critics being abject liars (which he now denies he said), the left will continue to deny reality and embrace absurdity. Their are absolutely blind to human suffering when their cause is being advanced.


15 posted on 03/30/2014 9:50:15 AM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: artichokegrower

You should have seen the lines at the local community center as they tried to sign up anything with a heartbeat


16 posted on 03/30/2014 9:58:04 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Nachum

Just how bad is it?


17 posted on 03/30/2014 10:10:12 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: artichokegrower

LOL

Yeah it “works”.

It triples my premium, and makes my deductible (currently 1500) into an outrageous 6000.

This USED to be called ‘Catastrophic health insurance’, meant not as true coverage, but as an emergency backup when the doctor told you that you have hair cancer.


18 posted on 03/30/2014 10:12:22 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Nachum

“I sell the state’s plan and it sucks. Big time.”

LOL, quite the sales pitch you got there.


19 posted on 03/30/2014 10:14:04 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: artichokegrower

Our New, Happy Lives 05/13/2017

“Comrades!” cried an eager youthful voice. “Attention, comrades! Yo! We have glorious news for you.
We have won the healthcare battle! Returns now completed of the output of all classes show that the standard of care has risen by no less than twenty percent over the past year.
All over Cali this morning there were irrepressible spontaneous demonstrations when thousands of artists, musicians and no-longer-disgruntled foreign guests marched out of loft apartments and barrios and paraded through the streets with banners voicing their gratitude to our Maximum Leader, President-for-Life Obama, for the new, happy life which his wise leadership has bestowed upon us. Here are some of the completed figures. Soma, up 30%—“


20 posted on 03/30/2014 10:15:51 AM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: artichokegrower

hey look! some of that new propaganda we heard about.

how fresh

fresh bullsh*t is always the sweetest. don’t you think?


21 posted on 03/30/2014 10:39:52 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: artichokegrower

The Murky News is so in the tank for Obamacare and Obama it’s pathetic.


22 posted on 03/30/2014 10:45:06 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
LOL, quite the sales pitch you got there.

Want to know the best part? There is nothing else to buy if you want insurance. In California, you either buy the plans offered with the required coverage or you buy nothing.

Also, if you apply through the 'Covered California' Website and your income is reported under $15,500 you are automatically forced off of any available plans and forced to take Medicaid (in California, Medi-Cal).

23 posted on 03/30/2014 10:55:34 AM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: artichokegrower

It doesn’t matter how many people sign up for 0-care in CA. The provider pool will be very narrow, and it will get worse once providers discover that a high percentage who have signed up aren’t really covered because they have stopped paying their premiums.
Moreover, it’s likely that many people will stop paying premiums when they get sick and need the coverage. That’s because of a loss of income as a result of missed work during an illness, and the large deductible required up front for 0-care patients if they seek care from hospitals and clinics that intend to stay in business.
Heavily subsidized 0-care patients might pay their nominal premiums but won’t be able to pay the big deductibles. Un-subsidized 0-care patients will have problems with premiums and deductibles (unless wealthy). Getting on to Medicaid for either group as a result of loss of income will likely not be fast enough to deal with a rapidly progressive disease. It would seem likely that these people will have a greater mortality from diseases such as cancer, coronary disease, and infectious disease that require rapid diagnosis and treatment for favorable outcomes.
The only place that will accept these lapsed coverage 0-care patients will be ERs. Let’s see how this works out in a couple of month when patients actually try to access care.


24 posted on 03/30/2014 11:01:29 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Army Air Corps
Just how bad is it?

* Anthem Blue Cross has terminated all individual PPO plans and only offers "EPO" coverage. This forces a geographic limitation on all policies and no coverage out of network.

* New payment restrictions have pushed Cedars Sinai hospital (major hub) to terminate their contract with Blue Shield of California.

* Kaiser HMO plans offer similar coverage, but are reducing the number of surgeries per day by their surgeons and increasing the patient load per doctor. Average wait time for a knee or hip replacement is between 6 to 10 weeks. The devices used for hip and knee replacement have been changed to older and less expensive devices due to the reduced pay.

* Effective dates are only and always on the first of the month. Now, you many only apply for coverage by the 15th of the month to get the first of any month, otherwise the applicant waits up to 45 days to get coverage.

* Most of the companies are already asking for significant rate increases

* Wait times to talk to anyone at Covered California are from 30 minutes to 2 hours. Most of my clients are coming to me as they cannot get through to talk to anyone after having issues with the website.

25 posted on 03/30/2014 11:04:57 AM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: chris37

The best possible solution is to be self insured-—which, of course, is not always possible.


26 posted on 03/30/2014 11:15:37 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: artichokegrower

It’s only purpose is to register and fake vote more democrats. Based on that, it will work until they find out the benefits are fake.


27 posted on 03/30/2014 11:18:53 AM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: Nachum

WTF? That’s your job?


28 posted on 03/30/2014 12:02:46 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: max americana

Yep.


29 posted on 03/30/2014 12:18:34 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

are you a broker???


30 posted on 03/30/2014 2:57:29 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: markman46
are you a broker???

Yes.

31 posted on 03/30/2014 5:03:44 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

ok thanks please keep up the info. I would on the otherside I pay the claims


32 posted on 03/30/2014 10:01:45 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Nachum

Wow, Nachum, I wonder if you can help us! I will private mail you to see if you think our sitch is insane or not.


33 posted on 03/30/2014 10:09:46 PM PDT by Yaelle
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