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Sage Grouse Rebellion
wsj ^ | March 11, 2014

Posted on 03/30/2014 10:38:30 AM PDT by george76

Will Obama use two small birds to limit oil drilling in the West?

Almost half the land west of the Mississippi belongs to the federal government, including 48% of California, 62% of Idaho and 81% of Nevada. No surprise that the Obama Administration wants to control more. But the result could be to suppress the country's booming oil and gas development.

In partnership with green activists, the Department of Interior may attempt one of the largest federal land grabs in modern times, using a familiar vehicle—the Endangered Species Act (ESA). A record 757 new species could be added to the protected list by 2018. The two species with the greatest impact on private development are range birds—the greater sage grouse and the lesser prairie chicken, both about the size of a barnyard chicken.

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The sage grouse is found in 11 western states—California, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, North Dakota, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming. Most of the areas affected are federal lands routinely used for farming, ranching, mining, road building, water projects and oil and gas drilling.

However, much of the prairie chicken population and some sage grouse are on private property that could become subject to some of the most invasive private land-use rules and property acquisitions in the history of the protected-species law.

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Environmental groups have won victories by using a strategy called "sue and settle" under which groups propose species for protected status and then sue the federal government, which settles the lawsuit on terms favorable to the greens rather than fight. These settlements typically bypass a thorough review of the scientific evidence and exclude affected parties, such as industry and local communities.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Colorado; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: Nevada; US: New Mexico; US: North Dakota; US: Oregon; US: South Dakota; US: Utah; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: agenda21; agriculture; animalrights; ar; blm; ecoterrorists; endangeredspecies; energy; epa; esa; gas; greenagenda; grouse; oil; privateproperty; ruralcleansing; sagegrouse; un21; unagenda21

1 posted on 03/30/2014 10:38:30 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Where is Boehner? Afraid to cut funding again ?


2 posted on 03/30/2014 10:41:37 AM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: george76

If it were not the sage grouse it would be the some rare smelt or “endangered” tick. They’d go all the way down to paramecium if they had to.

Let’s barbeque all the sage grouses and lower the price of gas.


3 posted on 03/30/2014 10:42:04 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: george76

Best time for harvesting sage chickens is starting about Aug. 1. A .22 long gun is an excellent harvesting tool. Target the young ones. They are the best eating.


4 posted on 03/30/2014 10:42:37 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: SADMILLIE

Corner. Crying. Either way, the epa or the esa is gonna get us.


5 posted on 03/30/2014 10:42:47 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Redneck. Race: Daytona 500)
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To: SADMILLIE

This is why we must NOT have RINOs in office. They will do nothing to limit the scope, mission or politicization of the Federal Bureaucracy. They may go to bat on a particular issue, mostly due to the influence of lobbyists and money - but they will not do what is absolutely vital - shutting down whole agencies, cutting funding drastically, and clearing out biased political and ideological bureaucrats.


6 posted on 03/30/2014 10:44:59 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: george76

Abomination!


7 posted on 03/30/2014 10:45:47 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: george76

“Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We’re working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud, corruption, and treason and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!”

There fixed it.


8 posted on 03/30/2014 10:46:26 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: sauropod
Abomination!

Which sounds almost the same as Obamanation.

9 posted on 03/30/2014 10:47:41 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: Gen.Blather

The greenies told me to my face if they didn’t get the sage grouse listed, they’d go for the pygmy cottontail.


10 posted on 03/30/2014 10:53:17 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: george76


11 posted on 03/30/2014 10:55:49 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

BOOMERS!


12 posted on 03/30/2014 10:56:33 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Nachum; thackney

Ping.


13 posted on 03/30/2014 10:56:40 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: NVDave

“The greenies told me to my face if they didn’t get the sage grouse listed, they’d go for the pygmy cottontail.”

The greenies are today’s Luddites. They are against all technology. Yet they drive their Volvos and Subaru’s to Starbucks to sip $7 lattes and they watch their big screen plasma TV’s. Then they arbitrarily pick out energy and decide that’s not only the perfect technology to stop, but it will also damage everything by driving up prices. The logic escapes me. (Oh, they’re invariably pro-abortion, anti-Christian, pro-Musilm...it makes no sense.)


14 posted on 03/30/2014 10:59:12 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: george76

The green nuts are using the lesser prarie chicken to campaign against wind power, which I find confusing. I thought the nuts loved windmills.


15 posted on 03/30/2014 11:03:19 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: PGR88
Isn’t it usually the purview of the RINOs to actually help create such agencies? Note Nixon particularly with Amtrak, EPA and OSHA.
16 posted on 03/30/2014 11:10:08 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: george76

Environmentalists think this will harm oil and gas, and they are right. But, guess what?

Wind farms are the biggest threat to sage grouse and prairie chicken habitat. No more wind farms.

We can either encroach on critters, or have energy.


17 posted on 03/30/2014 11:10:21 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: george76; Grampa Dave; dalereed; Jeff Head; forester; NormsRevenge; sergeantdave; Carry_Okie; ...
Here we go again! Another REVOLTING DEVELOPMENT designed to ARREST DEVELOPMENT(improvement) and eliminate human habitat and economic progress!!!

You 11 western states had better REBEL!!!

18 posted on 03/30/2014 11:10:30 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Bill Clinton, America's 1st Black PresidentÂ… Obama, IS the LAST!!!)
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To: Gen.Blather

They’re Luddite for others, not themselves. Typical totalitarian elitism on their part.


19 posted on 03/30/2014 11:11:10 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Bush Homeland Security.


20 posted on 03/30/2014 11:11:32 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: george76

Just because the feds own the property doesn’t mean that they can control what goes on there. Too few feds, and way too much real estate for any government to effectively cover, or control for that matter. They don’t call the region “no man’s land” for no particular reason.


21 posted on 03/30/2014 11:13:12 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: SADMILLIE
Boehner?

Aren't there free drinks at the LaTourett's Syndrome, S0r0$ funded, Amelia Island Party this weekend?

22 posted on 03/30/2014 11:28:42 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: george76

This is the works of the lilly whites. They do not care if prices go up.


23 posted on 03/30/2014 11:28:55 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: JoeProBono

Looks like plenty o’ pluckin’ involved there.


24 posted on 03/30/2014 11:30:22 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SierraWasp

Given the Fed’s responses to the People during the “shutdown”, the Western States need to start stripping the gov’t lands from the Feds.


25 posted on 03/30/2014 11:32:48 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: george76

They’re in a horse race with the EPA which is about to declare the potholes in your street and the rain puddle on your driveway as protected wetlands.


26 posted on 03/30/2014 11:34:44 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Paladin2

Much better and easier to skin them.


27 posted on 03/30/2014 11:36:16 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Paladin2
Sure! The Sagebrush Rebellion is still smoldering and it's getting time for a new multi-state ERUPTION!!!
28 posted on 03/30/2014 11:36:16 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Bill Clinton, America's 1st Black PresidentÂ… Obama, IS the LAST!!!)
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To: george76

This will not have nearly as big an impact on oil production as it might appear.

Most new production is the result of tight (shale) oil drilling.

The major new fields to date have been east of the Rockies, where almost all land is private. That non-involvement of federal land is one of the attractions, but another is simply the geology involved.

The land west of the Rockies is simply much more complex geology, both above and below the surface, due to its more complex geological history tectonically. A lot less of the large horizontal shale beds that are more easily fracked than in the less complex geology of the East and Middle US. Water, a key factor, is also generally a lot less available in the West.

At present there is still a LOT of accessible private land available for drilling east of the Rockies, so it doesn’t seem likely that making federal or western land less available for drilling is going to slow things down much if at all.

It should also be noted that any gas/oil down there isn’t going anywhere. It will still be there in 100 years if we need it.

Not a fan of these proposed regulations. Just trying to keep some perspective on the issue.


29 posted on 03/30/2014 11:43:37 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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- Obama is setting up his royal Muzzie buddies mid-east Islamic oil countries future cash-flow to get an massive endless off-shore retirement fund for himself and his daughters by permanently blocking the use of America’s available and abundant energy assets…..

- It is time for the pathetic pansy Mom-Jeans jerk to put on his sissy helmet to visit Dallas on his girl’s bike -


30 posted on 03/30/2014 11:44:25 AM PDT by devolve (- Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY -- I need more SPACE - BHO Jr -)
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To: PGR88
"This is why we must NOT have RINOs in office. They will do nothing to limit the scope, mission or politicization of the Federal Bureaucracy. They may go to bat on a particular issue, mostly due to the influence of lobbyists and money - but they will not do what is absolutely vital - shutting down whole agencies, cutting funding drastically, and clearing out biased political and ideological bureaucrats."

What we need is true and honest campaign finance reform. Our elected need to be forced to listen to those they claim to represent.

Remember the best laws are simple laws such as "You shall not murder" or "You shall not steal". Keeping that in mind, only legally registered voters should be allowed to contribute to a political campaign because only they can legally vote. These contributions should be limited to only those campaigns that represent that voter. The amount that a voter can contribute should also be limited to a certain amount each year that the average voter can afford, say $200. That $200 should be set at abase year and adjusted for inflation/deflation, I think 1960 would be ideal because as each voter decides to contribute they will be faced with the reality of what the government has done to their money.

By doing this the elected will have to fill their campaign chests within in their own districts from the people they represent and the influence of special interests curtailed (lawyers will always find ways around any law but should they be caught see the last of this rant)

Our right to vote is the most precious right we have as citizens it should be guarded jealously. Voter fraud should be relentlessly pursued and the punishments draconian.

31 posted on 03/30/2014 12:02:11 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Sherman Logan

yes, well said.
the bakken is primarly own by farmers


32 posted on 03/30/2014 12:06:27 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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To: bigheadfred


33 posted on 03/30/2014 12:14:00 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: bigheadfred

Best time for harvesting sage chickens is starting about Aug. 1. A .22 long gun is an excellent harvesting tool. Target the young ones. They are the best eating.

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Why don’t you care about the poor, little, ENDANGERED, little, helpless, cute, sage chicken?

Pardon me while I weep — weep for the poor sage chickens whose blood you wantonly spill, as well as — for your sin-darkened soul!

/sarc


34 posted on 03/30/2014 12:21:47 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: FlyingEagle

***Wind farms are the biggest threat to sage grouse and prairie chicken habitat.***

Are these two species low or non-fliers? Strange that the environmentalists are not upset about wind farms killing thousands of majestic, high-flying raptors.

Windfarms are a blight on the landscape - bird killers and they don’t even generate much power. Boondoggle for subsidies from taxpayers to the leftie greenies.


35 posted on 03/30/2014 12:23:56 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: man_in_tx
Why don’t you care about the poor, little, ENDANGERED, little, helpless, cute, sage chicken?

It must be the poor, little, ENDANGERED, little, helpless, HUNGRY, cute white boy in me.

36 posted on 03/30/2014 12:26:31 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Paladin2

I think Boehner will come out and fully support Sheila Jackson Lee baby for Home Lan securty if she axe him.


37 posted on 03/30/2014 12:36:37 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: sodpoodle

The prairie chickens avoid roosting near any tall structure to stay away from raptors. They don’t know that wind generators kill raptors, the chicken just sees the tall structure and stays away. Wind farms erode the habitat.


38 posted on 03/30/2014 12:37:40 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: sodpoodle
Are these two species low or non-fliers?

The sage hens will fly 40-50 miles at times to summer or winter ranges. I don't know if they take a break during the trip, but I see them leave the country once in a while when jumped. Usually they go a half mile or so. A friend smacked one at 3000' with his Super Cub. He made it home but had to get a new leading edge.

39 posted on 03/30/2014 12:44:55 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: george76

i love grouse hunting..

they are one elusive creature, and to bag one is to be rewarded with a right tasty meal...


40 posted on 03/30/2014 1:03:04 PM PDT by joe fonebone (a socialist is just a juvenile communist)
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To: george76

This explains obama’s dithering on the approval of the Keystone pipeline: giving the nature nazis time enough to work up a scam that will permit a veto.


41 posted on 03/30/2014 2:07:19 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: bigheadfred

It must be the poor, little, ENDANGERED, little, helpless, HUNGRY, cute white boy in me.

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Touche...good one!


42 posted on 03/30/2014 9:46:04 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: george76

Chopping them up with windmills is fine. Doing absolutely nothing harmful to them with low impact oil rigs is bad.


43 posted on 03/31/2014 11:45:49 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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