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Little Italy is on the brink of extinction
New York Post ^ | March 30, 2014 | 2:52am | Kate Briquelet

Posted on 03/30/2014 12:06:33 PM PDT by Olog-hai

A piece of New York City history is bidding arrivederci.

Rising rents and changing demographics have driven Little Italy to the verge of extinction. Once a teeming neighborhood stretching 50 square blocks, it now barely covers three blocks of Mulberry Street—and even that strip is under threat.

“You can’t rebuild Little Italy,” said Robert Ianniello Jr., owner of the famed Umbertos Clam House. “If we go away, it will never be here again. You can’t build an Olive Garden and say it’s Little Italy.” …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: italianamericans; liberalagenda; littleitaly; nyc; rentistoodamnhigh; urban
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1 posted on 03/30/2014 12:06:33 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

You rais-a da rents and ba-bing, weeze all moved to Joisey. What? You tink weeze all stooopid, Paisan?


2 posted on 03/30/2014 12:11:37 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: Olog-hai

Umber tow Clam House is where Carmine “Lillo” Galante got gunned down
It has been a mob hangout for years IMHO


3 posted on 03/30/2014 12:14:44 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Olog-hai

The problem is that the Italian immigrants all died off and their descendants all moved to nicer neighborhoods (and eventually to the suburbs), leaving behind only a few restaurants and bakeries. The same thing happened to the traditionally Jewish part of the Lower East Side.


4 posted on 03/30/2014 12:15:00 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Olog-hai

Well, some people think Olive Garden is great authentic Italian food.

Ethnic neighborhoods of many ethnic groups have faded away, as such groups assimilated and many of their members moved to the suburbs.

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but, I’ve heard that Chinatowns in many cities have been preserved more as tourist attractions, than neighborhoods in which big numbers of ethnic Chinese still live. I’ve heard that many shopowners and restaurant owners in these Chinatowns don’t live in the Chinatowns anymore. Just what I’ve heard. The same may well be true of Little Italys in various cities.


5 posted on 03/30/2014 12:16:24 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (as)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Italians are now part of the melting pot.


6 posted on 03/30/2014 12:17:00 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: OrangeHoof

It’s-a Catch-a 22.


7 posted on 03/30/2014 12:17:02 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: OrangeHoof

‘ey, paisan’. Whutsa matta fo’ you. You talkin’ **** witout knowin’ whatchyou talkin’ aboud.


8 posted on 03/30/2014 12:17:19 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

We’ll see how long the barrios last.


9 posted on 03/30/2014 12:18:43 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: OrangeHoof

I wonder what’s happening in the Murray Hill district in Cleveland? Haven’t been there in a few years.


10 posted on 03/30/2014 12:18:44 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Olog-hai

We’ll always have Harlem :-)


11 posted on 03/30/2014 12:19:13 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Olog-hai

Many of the Italian restaurants in Little Italy have Mexican’s cooking the food and waiting on tables. Many of the Italians who owned the restaurants there worked hard so their children could go to college and become upwardly mobile. My father used to go to Little Italy often to purchase Italian records. Those days like my dad are long gone.


12 posted on 03/30/2014 12:19:38 PM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on behalf of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Come on up to Arthur Avenue in the Bronx if you want Little Italy.


13 posted on 03/30/2014 12:20:43 PM PDT by cumbo78
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It seemed to me some years ago at least, that were it not for the Vietnamese, LA’s Chinatown would be in its death throes.


14 posted on 03/30/2014 12:27:13 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: OrangeHoof

Ah yo, gummba, the San Genero festival at NY is a 300 pace stroll. Heck, Hoboken ‘s SG festival is bigger & better, and includes the local Catholic parish. Just saying. But true, little Italy is did shrink due to migration. My parents neighbors of my childhood home where my parents still live is flanked by good folks whom grown up in little Italy.

Mrs. Jrzguy is from Korea. I took her to Ktown in nyc, its bigger than little italy, I was surprised by that.


15 posted on 03/30/2014 12:30:44 PM PDT by guyfromjrz (fresh breath, it speaks for itself.)
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To: Olog-hai

I think the only way an ethnic ghetto can last is if it gets a regular pilgrimage from “the old country”, to reinforce the old ways and introduce the new generation to them.


16 posted on 03/30/2014 12:31:56 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: onedoug
were it not for the Vietnamese, LA’s Chinatown would be in its death throes.

I heard that all the Japanese restaurants in Phoenix are owned by Koreans.

17 posted on 03/30/2014 12:31:58 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: onedoug

MacArthur Park was all mansions around WWI, now it’s a slum full of illegals from Central America.


18 posted on 03/30/2014 12:33:20 PM PDT by Argus
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To: righttackle44

Whatsa Matta You?


19 posted on 03/30/2014 12:34:37 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

HEY for mafia fans Godfather 1 2 3 is on Cinemax right now


20 posted on 03/30/2014 12:36:54 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: SatinDoll
6 Italians are now part of the melting pot.

Tsk, tsk, tsk ... how very "unmillenial" of you. Don'cha know you that melting pot/assimilation and salad bowl are no longer approved by Big Brother? (sarcasm off)


21 posted on 03/30/2014 12:38:03 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: Jeff Chandler

I remember that song LOL!


22 posted on 03/30/2014 12:38:31 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: onedoug
It seemed to me some years ago at least, that were it not for the Vietnamese, LA’s Chinatown would be in its death throes.

It seems there are a lot of Vietnam Chinese living there--from Cholon in South Vietnam and Haiphong in North Vietnam. A lot of Chinese from mainland and offshore China now live in San Marino, Alhambra and Monterey Park.

23 posted on 03/30/2014 12:38:54 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Olog-hai

Bring it back?

Italians need to have families of 6+ children again...


24 posted on 03/30/2014 12:40:53 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Fiji Hill

Actually SO CAL we have Little Saigon in Westerminter thanks to Duck Dynasty craze SO CAL resident are renaming Little Nam


25 posted on 03/30/2014 12:41:20 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

In San Diego CA we still have Little Italy that not going away LOL!


26 posted on 03/30/2014 12:41:52 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Olog-hai

The Italian community in Los Angeles vanished decades ago. Many “Italian” restaurants here are owned by Middle- and Far Easterners and are staffed by Latinos. The Eastside Market just outside Chinatown is one that is owned by an Italian family, and they serve good food.


27 posted on 03/30/2014 12:42:51 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Olog-hai

There is an iconic Sopranos episode toward the end of the series, they are in Little Italy on a foggy day, they walk a block or two the fog clears and they are in Chinatown already.


28 posted on 03/30/2014 12:43:03 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Other ethnicities can move in to keep a neighborhood vibrant. Cambodians and Vietnamese have moved into LA’s Chinatown and Toronto’s as well. Most of the better quality Chinese restaurants are in the suburbs of both cities but the “old” Chinatowns do have good Vietnamese restaurants.

You’re right about the management but that has been true of many ethnicities. Most of the professional Ukrainians that used to be in my neighborhood now live in western and northwestern suburbs of Chicago.

Many Thai, Vietnamese and sushi restaurants around the country are actually managed or owned by ethnic Chinese from those countries. My local Thai place is run by Cantonese-speaking folks from Bangkok. Prior to attending a wedding in Tucson I went to a sushi place and asked the Chinese maitre d’ if he liked sushi? Apparently, the entire crew was from China. In Shanghai dialect, he pragmatically said, “young people like sushi so that is our market, too.”

While living in Italy for a half-year I came to the conclusion that Olive Garden is a far cry from the great food I had in central and northern Italy, especially in the little family-owned places. At one little newly-opened roadside trattoria, the daughter of the owners gave me a handmade bowl and plate in a matching pattern; I still have the plate - great memories.


29 posted on 03/30/2014 12:44:01 PM PDT by 12Gauge687
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To: righttackle44

“Hey, come over here kid, learn something. You never know when you might have to cook for twenty guys someday.

“First, you fry some garlic.......

BTW, I made Godfather spaghetti for the first time. Just now managed to lose the last of the ten pounds that resulted. The secret is Italian sausage. That recipe should be banned.....

So, when Italians can make the down payment, they move to the suburbs like everyone else since the end of WWII. What’s the mystery?


30 posted on 03/30/2014 12:44:12 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: SevenofNine

I miss eating at Puglias. The sheepshead was to die for. Great entertainment. Think I might still have pictures of the guy who used to bring in the parrot.


31 posted on 03/30/2014 12:44:53 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: cumbo78

“Come on up to Arthur Avenue in the Bronx if you want Little Italy.”

Yep. Haven’t been to Dominicks Italian restaurant in a few years, definitely overdue for a visit.


32 posted on 03/30/2014 12:46:45 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: Jeff Chandler
I heard that all the Japanese restaurants in Phoenix are owned by Koreans.

This seems to be happening in a lot of places. Lots of Koreans in San Francisco's Japantown, although many restaurants are labeled as Korean eateries. I eat often at Japanese restaurants in and near SF, and it's somewhat disconcerting to see and hear the staff are filipino or Korean, although the chefs are largely Japanese (except one place where the sushi chef is white).

33 posted on 03/30/2014 12:47:51 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Olog-hai

As long as Arthur Avenue in the Bronx exists, there will be a Little Italy


34 posted on 03/30/2014 12:51:55 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: LottieDah
Many of the Italian restaurants in Little Italy have Mexican’s cooking the food and waiting on tables..

Same with some Chinese restaurants too especially franchised ones like Panda Express, Pei Wei and others.

35 posted on 03/30/2014 1:00:43 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Hey Jimmy whats’tsa matta fa you...Carmine got whacked at Joe and Mary’s...it was Crazy Joe Gallo what got his at Umbertos...


36 posted on 03/30/2014 1:03:33 PM PDT by massatoosits
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To: Jimmy Valentine

No, Crazy Joe Gallo.


37 posted on 03/30/2014 1:04:51 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: cumbo78
"Come on up to Arthur Avenue in the Bronx if you want Little Italy."

Well, that's what I did, sort of. I went to Google Street View and searched Arthur Avenue in the Bronx from Crotona Park to E. Tremont Ave. and did not see a single Italian business, let alone a restaurant. Did I miss something; am I looking in the right place?

38 posted on 03/30/2014 1:04:52 PM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: Olog-hai

I grew up not far from the other Little Italy—Arthur Avenue in the Bronx. It was a huge mob stronghold that used to be the safest neighborhood in the Bronx. I mean, you could walk around the area at 2:00am and never, ever feel afraid. The old timers have died off, the younger generation have moved to the suburbs, and the neighborhood is now only about three square blocks compared to the entire area that it used to be. I have so many memories of how great the area used to be just like Manhattan’s Little Italy. I hate to say it, but when the mob moved out, things changed. And not for the better.


39 posted on 03/30/2014 1:05:53 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Chinatown has been swallowing Little Italy for years and for the reasons you state. This has been going on for at least 25 years.


40 posted on 03/30/2014 1:06:02 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: cumbo78

Arthur Avenue is fun and good but it is not the same size as what was formerly Little Italy.


41 posted on 03/30/2014 1:07:58 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: LottieDah

And Hispanics have been preparing and hand carving the pastrami at Katzes for years.


42 posted on 03/30/2014 1:08:53 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: elcid1970

“Can’t even get decent food - right after I got here, I ordered some spaghetti with marinara sauce, and I got egg noodles and ketchup.” - Goodfellas


43 posted on 03/30/2014 1:11:32 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Olog-hai

It honestly makes me wonder how Cajuns and coonasses keep their cultures ongoing and alive. I guess nobody else wants to go live in the swamps and near the bayous in the backwoods. It seems even a good many of the few who go to college, come back.


44 posted on 03/30/2014 1:18:33 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: ScottfromNJ

Dominick’s is still good. Still no menus. Still no credit cards. Though a few years ago, the owner was followed home after closing up the place and was robbed at home. Teitel Brothers and Randazzo’s are still there too and just as good as ever.


45 posted on 03/30/2014 1:18:56 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: Olog-hai

It’s an immigrant neighborhood - the Italians and Eastern European Jews took over the Lower East Side after the Irish, and now the Italians and Jews have gotten better off and moved away and the neighborhood is either Asian (mostly Chinese and Vietnamese).

Of course, there’s also a lot of prosperous younger New Yorkers of a variety of backgrounds, and there are some very fancy mixed-use buildings replacing the tenements and even the old housing projects.


46 posted on 03/30/2014 1:35:10 PM PDT by livius
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Umber tow Clam House is where Carmine “Lillo” Galante got gunned down

I don't think so. Crazy Joe Gallo was gunned down at Umberto's and Galante got his at Joe and Mary's, in Brooklyn.

47 posted on 03/30/2014 1:38:21 PM PDT by Salvey
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To: Olog-hai
Just where the hell will I eat the next time I visit?

No Ferrara's?

No Angelos?

Maybe I'll just stay home...

48 posted on 03/30/2014 1:38:49 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: rabidralph

“We’ll always have Harlem :-)”

Even Harlem is returning to its gentrified self of a century ago. Getting hard to find ethnic anywhere. And, really, that’s a good thing (except for the eateries).


49 posted on 03/30/2014 1:43:22 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Olog-hai

It’s a shame. Particularly will miss the Ristorante S.P.Q.R. Love the San Gennaro festival and the church. Seems that few successful things can last forever in their original form. America has too many lawyers.


50 posted on 03/30/2014 2:23:15 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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