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White House Cyber Chief Says Snowden Damage Will Be Felt for Decades
Free Beacon ^ | March 28, 2014 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 03/30/2014 5:00:28 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey

Damage to U.S. national security caused by NSA contractor Edward Snowden will take decades to repair, the White House official in charge of cyber security said Friday. Snowden’s treachery is especially grave because he exposed how all the parts fit together—the blueprints for how America’s most significant intelligence enterprise actually works—which is also the blueprint for how to defeat it,” she said.

“So what does this mean in real terms? It means that the president may not have the intelligence he needs to have for crucial decisions. Nor will the Congress. We may not see threats we should have seen, never mind opportunities. It means that there may be future attacks that we do not see coming, which otherwise might have been prevented,” Van Cleav said in an email.

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KEYWORDS: nationalsecurity; nsa; snowden; surveillance
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Like we've done such a great job stopping terrorism as it is??
1 posted on 03/30/2014 5:00:28 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey
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To: MeshugeMikey

Obama’s damage will felt for decades.


2 posted on 03/30/2014 5:01:40 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: MeshugeMikey

uh huh. This is basically going to be their excuse for EVERY national security disaster from this day forward.

Every one.

Nothing is ever THEIR fault.

Economy? Bush’s fault.
Failure to contain Russia? Bush’s fault.
Terror attacks? Bush’s fault. Oh, and Snowden too.

Loss of 4th Amendment freedoms? Snowden’s fault. Bush approved it too.

Buildup of Russian allies in this hemisphere? Bush. Snowden.

Obamacare rollout? Web designer’s fault. Bush, too.

Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing is ever Obama’s fault.


3 posted on 03/30/2014 5:06:10 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: MeshugeMikey

Exactly.

I have always considered Gertz as a good source of information, but NSA is a joke, although a very very bad joke.

They did not foresee the Boston bombing.

They have no information that helps solve the flight 370 question, they had no idea Putin was going to make a move on Crimea.........on and on.

Flapper did not even know of the bus bombing in England until he was told about it during a congressional hearing on TV.

A very embarrassing spectacle on TV.


4 posted on 03/30/2014 5:07:19 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: MeshugeMikey
It means that the president may not have the intelligence he needs to have for crucial decisions.

You cannot blame Snowden for obama's LACK OF INTELLIGENCE!

5 posted on 03/30/2014 5:07:31 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: ilovesarah2012

HERE HERE!

The Whitehouse Cyber Expert of course knows nothing of that!!

who asked him anyway?


6 posted on 03/30/2014 5:08:04 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey

So, let’s get this straight; the all mighty, massive, intrusive, super secret, trillion dollar, spy agency was taken down by someone that supposedly worked there for only mere days and was a low level employee?

Come again?


7 posted on 03/30/2014 5:09:55 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: old curmudgeon

Nope they were far too busy looking for CLINGERS..to make any inroads in securing this nation from the mooselim menace.

The National WHAT? Agency!


8 posted on 03/30/2014 5:09:57 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: ilovesarah2012

It’ll be longer than that.


9 posted on 03/30/2014 5:09:59 PM PDT by sasquatch
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To: MeshugeMikey
"It means that the president may not have the intelligence he needs to have for crucial decisions."

Sometimes, the jokes write themselves...

10 posted on 03/30/2014 5:10:10 PM PDT by DJ Frisat (Proudly providing the NSA with provocative textual content since 1995!)
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To: MeshugeMikey
White House Cyber Chief Says Snowden Damage Will Be Felt for Decades

Just like Jimmah Carter and Persia.

5.56mm

11 posted on 03/30/2014 5:10:18 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: bigheadfred

ahaha I DO appear that these people are doing some of that there Freudian Slippin and Slidin....

” the president may not have the intelligence “

Seen as a treasonous statement by some...and a monumental understatement to the rest of us.


12 posted on 03/30/2014 5:12:05 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey

In my lexicon concerning odumbo it is a Fraudian slip.


13 posted on 03/30/2014 5:13:05 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: MeshugeMikey

I see the actual damage as being truth telling or as Fiendstenn (d-CA) says ... don’t check me ... that’s treason.


14 posted on 03/30/2014 5:13:13 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: M Kehoe

I well remember the chants of “Down..Down Down with the Shah” repeated endlessly in San Francisco’s Financial District oh those many years ago....

Jimmy was there with them in spirit...


15 posted on 03/30/2014 5:13:48 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: DJ Frisat

Haha, DJ, thanks for pointing that joke out.


16 posted on 03/30/2014 5:14:03 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: old curmudgeon

The NSA’s mission is the same as that of the IRS-destroy dissent inside of America. Remember Obama’s campaign promise to “get revenge” and “punish his enemies”?


17 posted on 03/30/2014 5:15:09 PM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: MeshugeMikey
Snowden’s treachery is especially grave because he exposed how all the parts fit together—the blueprints for how America’s most significant intelligence enterprise actually works—which is also the blueprint for how to defeat it,” she said.

I don't know what Snowden's intent was, but in this day and age, there's a twisted solace in knowing that someone exposed a blueprint for defeating "America’s most significant intelligence enterprise".

I am offended that I should even think this way.

18 posted on 03/30/2014 5:17:23 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: bigheadfred
You cannot blame Snowden for obama's LACK OF INTELLIGENCE!

I blame Snowden for treason.

19 posted on 03/30/2014 5:17:52 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: bigheadfred
Fraudian Slip It IS!

My favorite line here was:

"..the president may not have the intelligence he needs to have for crucial decisions."

The President's mind is on pleasing his Muslin Brothers and Golf!
20 posted on 03/30/2014 5:18:47 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Ezekiel

May Obama continue to lose sleep over Snowden’s revelations...long after he leaves the Whitehouse


21 posted on 03/30/2014 5:20:01 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey

One has to ask why telling the truth is treason? We protect our criminal class (aka congress and elected officials) from scrutiny? Then we have forgotten what our Founders warned each of us of.


22 posted on 03/30/2014 5:22:14 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: af_vet_1981

Blame away. While you still can.

“When they took the fifth amendment,
I was quiet because I didn’t own real estate.
When they took the fourth amendment,
I was quiet because I didn’t deal drugs.
When they took the sixth amendment,
I was quiet because I was innocent.
When they took the second amendment,
I was quiet because I didn’t own a gun.
Now they’ve taken the first amendment,
and I can say nothing about it. “


23 posted on 03/30/2014 5:24:03 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: SoFloFreeper

i shed not one tear for the nsa. or anyone breaking the law against his own countrymen. not a fan of fisa courts.


24 posted on 03/30/2014 5:27:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: no-to-illegals
One has to ask why telling the truth is treason?

The problem is that Snowden took far, far more than information relating to domestic spying programs. He took stuff that could significantly shift the intelligence advantage from our country to any other that gets its hands on it. Stuff that could endanger a great many lives.

When the NSA guy on "60 Minutes" says that he took the keys to the kingdom, believe it.

25 posted on 03/30/2014 5:27:51 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: af_vet_1981

What do you have to say about what the NSA is doing?


26 posted on 03/30/2014 5:29:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DJ Frisat

we have this right now and it hasn’t anything to do with snowden.


27 posted on 03/30/2014 5:29:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: bigheadfred
I see what you did there :)
28 posted on 03/30/2014 5:31:00 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Snowden was a lowly intelligence gather. Look to those at the top levels of our federal government for the actual treason and stuff that could endanger a great many lives. Is really that simple.
29 posted on 03/30/2014 5:32:16 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Why should I believe anything they say? Because they said it on 60 minutes?


30 posted on 03/30/2014 5:33:15 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Future Snake Eater

I think he took stuff they don’t want Americans to know.

Their security has become so lax the Chinese and Russians almost certainly already have it.


31 posted on 03/30/2014 5:35:00 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: MeshugeMikey
(from the article):" Snowden’s treachery is especially grave because he exposed how all the parts fit together—the blueprints
for how America’s most significant intelligence enterprise actually works—which is also the blueprint for how to defeat it,” she said.

So , without Snowden , we the CITIZENS of the United States would not have known the extent of our own government spying on us..
and that is bad ? How ?
Our own government is spying on us .. ? WHY ..?
What the government is upset about is that we now know that our government is spying on us ,
while what they are really uspset at is the fact that we now know, and Snowden has told us , and our international friends now know .
Foreign Intelligence spying has prevented how many bombings ?.. Zero !
Our Foreign Intelligence is reactionary ( after the fact) and has not prevented any act of terrorism before it was to occur .
It was overreach which made our friends not trust us , and our enemies not fear us .
Snowden is neither Saint ,.. nor Sinner ; he is an American who just wanted us to know how much data our own government was collecting on us
without warrant , or even probable cause !
And therefore , .. it is ILLEGAL !!

32 posted on 03/30/2014 5:37:29 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: no-to-illegals

Snowden wasn’t an intelligence gatherer at all. And the treason committed by our “leaders” doesn’t excuse the damage Snowden’s done either.


33 posted on 03/30/2014 5:37:42 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: DManA

Don’t believe them. Don’t believe me. It still happened, and it could get very bad for a lot of people.


34 posted on 03/30/2014 5:38:59 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

okay ... now that Snowden told the truth and the leaders lied ... one has to wonder who is the enemy?


35 posted on 03/30/2014 5:39:16 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: driftdiver
I think he took stuff they don’t want Americans to know.

Undoubtedly that was part of it.

Their security has become so lax the Chinese and Russians almost certainly already have it.

Do you work with those guys or in the intel community? Before Snowden I'd say there was very little chance of that being the case. Now? Almost certainly.

36 posted on 03/30/2014 5:41:48 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: driftdiver
driftdiver:" Their security has become so lax the Chinese and Russians almost certainly already have it."

They probably have the same security system that they have on ObummerCrap for sign-up .. NONE !

37 posted on 03/30/2014 5:42:04 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: no-to-illegals


Not as regarding The Nation is it reason ...It;s Treasonous TO The Regime trying to destroy the Nation.

They operate by some very twisted "rules".
38 posted on 03/30/2014 5:42:28 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey

yes, leaders love to lead even if it is the path of and to destruction. They have a compliant media ever single time too.


39 posted on 03/30/2014 5:44:27 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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and it becomes a missing ‘y’


40 posted on 03/30/2014 5:45:14 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

Let’s go to WWII. If I leaked information that told the U.S. “hey, the government’s spying on you!” and gave away the plans developed by the Manhattan Project, would I be a hero? Would I have “told the truth”?

You’re excusing 5% of a leak b/c it fits with your ideology and shrugging off the other 95% b/c it’s inconvenient to consider its ramifications. That’s not wise.


41 posted on 03/30/2014 5:45:49 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Am not a leader. I hold no elected office. I do not make the rules but if the rules made by the elected do not work I always get the blame and you too. Feel safer yet?


42 posted on 03/30/2014 5:48:42 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

THESE msm rubes are not JUST compliant..they are fully engaged utterly committed sworn devotees!


43 posted on 03/30/2014 5:49:41 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey

I’m waiting for Snowden to release the thing that will have Ubama running for his life.


44 posted on 03/30/2014 5:49:45 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: Future Snake Eater

The Chinese had engineers working on the B2 when it was a black program. The Chinese had unrestricted access to sensitive DHS computer networks for 3 years. The Russians do the same thing.

All of this unclassified and has been reported in the newspapers.

I worked in classified stuff for 10 years. We never had unnamed sources going to the press.


45 posted on 03/30/2014 5:50:07 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: no-to-illegals

That’s quite a non-answer.


46 posted on 03/30/2014 5:51:47 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

He did Real Americans....as opposed to poseur “public servant” would be tyrants a real favor!

The would be tyrants can’t bear to think that ANYONE could get away with being so forthright.


47 posted on 03/30/2014 5:52:16 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Why are you ok with the feds collecting data on US Citizens while they at the same time label people like you and me as dangerous, while appeasing people who carried arms against America?

Our enemies know what we’re doing. Our friends may not have known what we were doing.


48 posted on 03/30/2014 5:53:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
That's quite a non-answer

My apology ... am simply answering the way our so-called leaders answer. I've learned much from their non-answers.

49 posted on 03/30/2014 5:54:05 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: MeshugeMikey

——— the intelligence he needs to have for crucial decisions-—

He never makes crucial decisions. The repeated evidence is that when a decsion is required, he always dithers


50 posted on 03/30/2014 5:54:56 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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