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Kerry suggests defining Israel as “national homeland for Jews”
Jihad Watch ^ | 3/30/14 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 03/30/2014 7:37:00 PM PDT by Nachum

Why exactly a “national homeland for Jews” would be acceptable to “Palestinian” Islamic supremacists in a way that “Jewish state” isn’t remains unclear, but the “Palestinians,” as maximalist and unilateral as ever, have already rejected the proposal, so we will probably never glimpse the arcane reasoning processes of the formidable Kerry.

“Report: Kerry suggests defining Israel as ‘national homeland for Jews,’” by Roi Kais for Ynet News, March 29 (thanks to Jerk Chicken):

US Secretary of State John Kerry is trying to overcome the controversy surrounding the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state by changing the definition to “the national homeland of the Jews”, the London-based Arabic Al-Hayat newspaper reported Saturday morning.

The report, that quoted western diplomatic sources, noted that in exchange for Kerry’s initiative, the Palestinians would have to agree that the Palestinian capital would be established only in parts of East Jerusalem; it was further reported that the Palestinians have rejected the proposal.

(Excerpt) Read more at jihadwatch.org ...


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homeland; israel; jews; kerry
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1 posted on 03/30/2014 7:37:00 PM PDT by Nachum
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2 posted on 03/30/2014 7:37:39 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

Code for ghetto.


3 posted on 03/30/2014 7:38:12 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Nachum

The Palestinian Arabs will not agree to Jewish nationhood under any circumstances.

This is what they reject outright and that’s exactly why the peace process is dead.


4 posted on 03/30/2014 7:39:37 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Nachum
It seems to me that a "Jewish State" implies a nation state which is controlled by Jews.
And a "Jewish homeland" implies a historical condition that, once upon a time, Jews used to live around here. But that was thousands of years ago.

I see a big difference, and I see a trap.

5 posted on 03/30/2014 7:39:39 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

Its basically the same thing. Secretary Kerry clarified to every one what the Arabs really oppose:

National self-determination for the Jewish people. That is exactly why in truth peace is impossible in the Middle East.

Without Arab agreement to this basic principle, the conflict will never be over.


6 posted on 03/30/2014 7:44:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Nachum

You know, like Birobidjan was the ‘national homeland for Jews’ in the Soviet Union.


7 posted on 03/30/2014 7:55:46 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Or Thereisienstadt was the “homeland for Jews” in the Third Reich.


8 posted on 03/30/2014 7:56:52 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: jjotto; Nachum

Wasn’t the “national homeland” idea already tried with the Balfour Declaration?


9 posted on 03/30/2014 7:57:18 PM PDT by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: Nachum

That’s the ticket, Israel. You too can have a DHS just like US ...

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/dhs-orgchart.pdf

That’ll solve the problem.


10 posted on 03/30/2014 7:59:06 PM PDT by shove_it (my real nickname is Otter)
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To: Nachum
Why exactly a “national homeland for Jews” would be acceptable to “Palestinian” Islamic supremacists in a way that “Jewish state” isn’t remains unclear

I'll take a stab at that one. A "national homeland" does not imply sovereignty, control, or permanence. It's sort of like having a room in a hotel. It's your home as long as the owner of the hotel agrees to it.

Israel would do well to ignore everything Kerry says or will say.

11 posted on 03/30/2014 7:59:11 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Berosus

Yes, with the idea that it should remain under British sovereignty.


12 posted on 03/30/2014 7:59:44 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Nachum

Kerry Suggests....

Ludicrous that kerry thinks anyone but ISRAEL is on any position to make any CHOICES for Israel


13 posted on 03/30/2014 7:59:51 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Nachum

How about defining Israel as: the nation of Israel.


14 posted on 03/30/2014 8:02:38 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Nachum

Same reason that “people of color” is politically correct but “colored people” is racist.

Because.


15 posted on 03/30/2014 8:03:58 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Nachum

It is extremely difficult to remove the problems and political complications of the Middle-East from religion. But Kerry has done it. There are political forces in this country that feel ‘bad’ for Native Americans because their country was taken over. Well the country of the People of the Book, the Jews, is well documented in the Bible. So anyone like Kerry trying to dictate international whatevers has to take to account the history of the Jews in the Middle-East. Someone a little more important than Kerry gave the Jews their land. Its boundaries were defined by wherever Moses placed his foot after receiving God’s instructions for His people. So from Palestine to the border of Egypt everyone should be happy that the Jews don’t claim all of it and fight for it.


16 posted on 03/30/2014 8:03:59 PM PDT by Wade34232
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To: lurk
How about defining Israel as: the nation of Israel.

With its' capital, Jerusalem.

17 posted on 03/30/2014 8:04:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Nachum

Kerry can’t possibly believe taht the PLO seriously wants peace.

So this means he is shilling for them?


18 posted on 03/30/2014 8:06:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Nachum

Kerry may be the absolute dumbest man to ever hold his position.


19 posted on 03/30/2014 8:09:12 PM PDT by Kakaze (I want The Republic back !)
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To: Nachum

Kerry is embarrassing himself and insulting the intelligence of the Israelis. The latter bothers me greatly. The former concerns me not at all, but you’d think he’d have one friend who’d...never mind.


20 posted on 03/30/2014 8:11:22 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: Nachum

I suggest defining Kerry as a “lying, gold-digging traitor”.


21 posted on 03/30/2014 8:11:39 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: Leaning Right

Every nation on earth is a homeland.

The Arabs simply deny the Jews are entitled to one. From the Arab viewpoint, the Jews are merely members of a religion and do not constitute a nation. That view by the way, is in black and white in the PLO Covenant.

Now we get to the real heart of the conflict - its not the words “Jewish State” the Arabs have an issue with but with the fact Jews claim national rights that are equal to theirs.

They cannot ever accept Jews as equals and there will never be peace. Any one who thinks otherwise is not conversant with reality.


22 posted on 03/30/2014 8:13:17 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Nachum

What utter bs. Kerry needs to go squirt ketchup on a bathroom wall somewhere other than in the Middle East.


23 posted on 03/30/2014 8:13:56 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Nachum

This proposal is so stunningly stupid that it leaves me speechless but not in the least surprised comming from the mac daddy administration inhabited by mindless sock puppets.

Once again mac, the pu***, daddy can claim no knowledge of what’s going on until he heard it on the news.

Wow just wow


24 posted on 03/30/2014 8:14:11 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Nachum

Hmmm excrement covered Secretary of State or .......dip shit, just using kerry’s logic.


25 posted on 03/30/2014 8:14:54 PM PDT by Kakaze (I want The Republic back !)
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To: dfwgator

Or Thereisienstadt was the “homeland for Jews” in the Third Reich.


Hey, it makes things so much easier when you can get them all gathered up in one place


26 posted on 03/30/2014 8:19:00 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: MeshugeMikey

“Ludicrous that kerry thinks anyone but ISRAEL is on any position to make any CHOICES for Israel”
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Exactly ! Kerry is just showing his pathetic ass, as always.


27 posted on 03/30/2014 8:21:18 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Nachum

Why not Bronx or Brooklyn for a national homeland for Jews?


28 posted on 03/30/2014 8:23:56 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: AlexW
hey he was Installed in the job by Chicagos own Buraq Hussein-Somebody give me a cheeseburger- Obama,...wasnt he?




29 posted on 03/30/2014 8:26:02 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Nachum

A dividing of Israel and Jerusalem a stumbling block.

Just as the Bible prophecies say will happen.


30 posted on 03/30/2014 8:30:36 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: BenLurkin

The Saudis have big influence over the U.S. State Department.

That is why all SOS for the past twenty-plus years have been buffoons.

Shoot, even James Baker’s law firm defended the Saudis against 9/11 families.


31 posted on 03/30/2014 8:33:22 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Nachum

Where does he suggest they build the showers and ovens?

Pray America wakes up


32 posted on 03/30/2014 8:41:14 PM PDT by bray (The Republic of Texas 2022 order here: http://braylog.com/id47.html)
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To: Nachum

Let’s see - he was correct in supporting the Nuclear Freeze movement, the Sandinista regime in Nicaragua and of course his truthful testimony in regards to war crimes by US soldiers in Vietnam - why wouldn’t he be correct in this verbal gymnastic exercise? We are all too obtuse to appreciate his skills when it comes to international issues.


33 posted on 03/30/2014 8:44:25 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: Kakaze

He’s no Jimmy Byrnes that’s for sure - he was probably the last great Dem Secretary of State this country has seen


34 posted on 03/30/2014 8:48:40 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: Nachum

Every single person on the obama administration is insane.


35 posted on 03/30/2014 8:50:11 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Nachum
Screw you Kerry. Israel is a nation, an independent sovereign nation. The Arab world can get used to it, get over it, get on with life or get their asses kicked again.

Mr arrogant and egotistical kerry, you have no right to define who or what they are. So STFU and get the hell out of the way. When the Palestinians get tired of dieing they will see the light.

The only thing the muslim world respects it overwhelming force and the willingness to use it. History has proven this time and time again.

36 posted on 03/30/2014 8:53:01 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: Nachum

There is No. Such. Thing. As. A. “Palestinian”. period.


37 posted on 03/30/2014 8:54:54 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: dfwgator

I was taught by a survivor, now departed. How anyone could move on after enduring such hardship and witnessing such horrors still amazes me.


38 posted on 03/30/2014 8:55:25 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Berosus
Yes, I think Kerry is plagiarizing from the Balfour Declaration.

He must have been spending too much time around Joe Biden.

39 posted on 03/30/2014 9:01:41 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Define America Kerry! It’s good thing no one takes your crap seriously! Good luck on that Russian deal!


40 posted on 03/30/2014 9:05:36 PM PDT by DocJhn
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To: Nachum
Just another not so subtle attempt by American marxists to paint the Israeli government as being irrational by not complying with an attempt by this administration to redefine the impasse by way of changing the wording of certain issues by way of lingual sleight of hand.

The thing is, the Israelis and the Arabs aren't so easily misled, but then again, the entire point of this exercise is to paint the Israelis as intransigent in the eyes of the low information voters in America so that more and more Americans will view Israel as the problem. Unfortunately, it will work in many sections of America, especially in our educational system and all corners of our government, not to mention the large number of clueless voters who will push the button for a democrat without understanding reality.

41 posted on 03/30/2014 9:07:11 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Nachum

Is he inviting us to leave the USA? Are we displaced people again?


42 posted on 03/30/2014 9:08:34 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: ClearCase_guy

Thank you for stating what I was thinking.


43 posted on 03/30/2014 9:12:10 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (waiting for my Magic 8 ball to give me an answer)
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To: Nachum
You know what, I'm going to a piece of some country and say that piece of land is the homeland of my people and I'm going to keep saying it for 100 years and eventually, people like Kerry and O will let me have it. Just keep saying it over and over, never stop, and you'll get it just to shut you up.

The Arabs who claim to be Palestinians (there is no such separate people), have kept it up until they are getting it and the Israelis are just some weird people who just happened to be on that land for well over 2,000 years. From the time of Israel's beginning, the world has tried to eliminate these people from the earth. It will never happen.

44 posted on 03/30/2014 9:28:07 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: BenLurkin
Every truly intelligent person knows in their heart that Israel is peace-loving and that the sad state of affairs in the ME is the fault of Israel's enemies.

Antisemitism and the lust for oil are the principal reasons people side against Israel and for the Palestinians

Israel has made some incomprehensible errors IMO. Giving control of the Temple Mount back to their enemies after retaking Jerusalem. WTF were they thinking!?

Giving Gaza to their enemies instead of running them out of Israel is another WTF were they thinking moment.

Oy Vey

45 posted on 03/30/2014 9:29:06 PM PDT by Bobalu (Four Cokes And A Fried Chicken)
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To: Nachum

I got a question.

What f***ing business is it of John Kerry’s what Israel is defined as?


46 posted on 03/30/2014 10:20:45 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Yaelle
Is he inviting us to leave the USA? Are we displaced people again?

Jews in the US have had that fear before.

47 posted on 03/30/2014 10:41:58 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

Well, Kerry. You’re a bit late.

Does “Balfour” mean anything to you?

Effin Nimrod


48 posted on 03/30/2014 11:14:18 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: goldstategop

It will not be over until Israel inflicts massive casualties on the so-called palestinians;

annexes the land that is rightfully Jewish from the Jordan to the Med, from Eilat to the Golan;

removes the mosque on top of the Temple Mount and delivers it to Jordan or wherever;

announces they will only give resident alien status to muslims now living across the Green Line who publicly announce on TV broadcasted across the Mideast that they swear fealty to the Laws of the Jewish State of Israel.

Those who refuse can leave immediately with their possessions and be paid fair market value for their property;

those who refuse or subsequently break Israeli law will have their property confiscated and be deported.

THEN THERE WILL BE PEACE THROUGHOUT THE LAND.


49 posted on 03/30/2014 11:20:42 PM PDT by Yehuda (Search youtube and listen to "Islams Not For Me".)
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To: Berosus

Great minds think alike...


50 posted on 03/31/2014 12:44:39 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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