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Rand Paul: America Partly To Blame For Pearl Harbor, World War II
The Right Scoop ^ | 03/31/2014 | Caleb Howe

Posted on 03/31/2014 8:24:21 AM PDT by thetallguy24

At the Washington Post, Jennifer Rubin this weekend highlighted a video of Rand Paul speaking in 2012 about sanctions on Iran. In it, Paul disparages the notion of use of force, and for some reason claims the United States was partly to blame for World War II!

“There are times when sanctions have made it worse. I mean, there are times .. leading up to World War II we cut off trade with Japan. That probably caused Japan to react angrily. We also had a blockade on Germany after World War I, which may have encouraged them … some of their anger.”

Rubin spoke with David David Adesnik of the American Enterprise Institute about Paul’s remarks:

After viewing the video, he tells Right Turn, “Blaming the U.S. for Pearl Harbor is a long-standing isolationist habit that reflects tremendous historical illiteracy. Sen. Paul is very poorly informed if he thinks U.S. sanctions ‘probably caused Japan to react angrily.’” He explains, “The U.S. cut off oil supplies to Japan in August 1941, long after Japan had launched its atrocity-laden war against China in 1937. The evidence is conclusive that Japan was determined to dominate all of East Asia. Believing that the U.S. would not stand by passively if it overran Thailand, Singapore, Malaya and the East Indies, Japan launched its surprise attack on Pearl Harbor.”

With regard to the Senator’s comments about Germany, Adesnik declared them “so eccentric that it’s hard to be sure what he’s even talking about.” He goes on to point out the obvious, which is that we should be proud of our actions in Europe before and during the war, regardless of whether or not they antagonized the Nazis.

Senator Paul at the time of the video and in remarks since, referred to a nuclear Iran as “not a good idea”, which is true, in much the same way that sticking one’s hand in a wood chipper is a “not a good idea”.

Equally as troubling is his explanation of the rationale for sanctions being “doing something is better than doing nothing.” A colleague objects to Paul’s “straw man” and remarks “is this how we think about national security now?” Good question. Another good question is whether or not the first consideration in pursuing American interests and security is whether or not an enemy or “rogue” nation may become annoyed with us.

Rubin says that “these comments, his bizarre take on historical events and his current opposition to sanctions (in accord with President Obama) raise troubling issues regarding his true beliefs and the degree to which his father’s radical libertarian ideas have rubbed off on him.”

Indeed the issues are raised. And going into 2016, Obamaesque waffling on treading lightly or Ron Paul-like isolationism are not attributes anyone in this party should be looking for in a candidate. Answers to those issues, therefore, should be top priority for Senator Paul.

*Updated with partial transcription of relevant portion for those without audio. 10:43 AM.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 911truther; iran; kentucky; libertarian; libertarians; patbuchanan; pearlharbor; pitchforkpat; randpaul; randpaultruthfile; ronpaultruthfile; sanctions; worldwareleven
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So according to Paul, America is a scantily clad woman who deserved to get raped?
1 posted on 03/31/2014 8:24:21 AM PDT by thetallguy24
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To: thetallguy24

Meh...much ado about nothing.


2 posted on 03/31/2014 8:25:35 AM PDT by DwFry (Baby Boomers Killed Western Civilization!)
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To: thetallguy24

The more Paul talks, the less I like him.


3 posted on 03/31/2014 8:25:43 AM PDT by aimhigh (John 14:21)
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To: thetallguy24

You have to remember who his Dad is.

You KNOW how much influence your parents have on you. That can be a good thing or a bad thing.. depending on the issue in the Paul family.


4 posted on 03/31/2014 8:25:43 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: thetallguy24

I guess the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree. Not in the least surprised.


5 posted on 03/31/2014 8:26:54 AM PDT by sofaman (An enemy generally says and believes what he wishes. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: thetallguy24

Sanctions are for fooling morons at home into believing our government is acting on something.

We impose sanctions so cronies can soak up waivers.


6 posted on 03/31/2014 8:28:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: thetallguy24
leading up to World War II we cut off trade with Japan. That probably caused Japan to react angrily.

No, I'm sure cutting off Japan's oil made them very happy.

7 posted on 03/31/2014 8:28:22 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: thetallguy24

He didn’t say what the Headline says he said.

He said >”we cut off trade with Japan. That probably caused Japan to react angrily”<

I’m not a Paulbot by any stretch of the imagination, but this is nothing but a ginned up Tempest in a Tea Pot.


8 posted on 03/31/2014 8:30:31 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: thetallguy24

If we hadn’t intervened in WWI, there very likely would not have been a WWII. But I’m not sure that’s what Paul is saying.


9 posted on 03/31/2014 8:31:08 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: thetallguy24

This author, Caleb Howe, is taking delight in exaggerating Rand Paul’s words and I am not a Rand Paul supporter.


10 posted on 03/31/2014 8:31:47 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: thetallguy24

I’ve talked with a couple of Paulbots who voice this opinion. You see, the Japanese had a right to invade SE Asia to get their resources. Because FDR cut off the sale of American oil and and the Japanese needed that oil to continue their rape of China, or something.


11 posted on 03/31/2014 8:31:59 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: thetallguy24

You are reaalllly stretching. Try again.


12 posted on 03/31/2014 8:32:16 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: thetallguy24

I’ve about had it with this nutbag.


13 posted on 03/31/2014 8:32:49 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
No, I'm sure cutting off Japan's oil made them very happy.

Yes.

Economic sanctions.

You know, like the ones Saint Obama wants to impose on Sinner Putin...

14 posted on 03/31/2014 8:34:42 AM PDT by null and void ( Everything evil in the world may not be Islamic but everything Islamic is evil.)
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To: thetallguy24

15 posted on 03/31/2014 8:35:37 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: thetallguy24

No I understand what he is saying. FDR was dying for a war with Japan for many reasons, many economic. FDR refused to negotiate with the Japanese, and forced their hand. He took a situation and made it worse.


16 posted on 03/31/2014 8:36:36 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: thetallguy24

Americans should understand that Asians were humiliated in the early 20th century by European dominance of their political and economic lives. The French in Indochina, The British in Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore and India, the Dutch in Indonesia and the Americans in the Philippines. The Japanese who had defeated the Russians and took over Germany’s Pacific interests, saw themselves as special and charged themselves with the liberation of Asia.Of course they were imperialistic and cruel, but the anti European sentiment and resentment was real. That sentiment is manifested today by China as it bitterly resents American political and military involvement in Asian affairs.


17 posted on 03/31/2014 8:37:00 AM PDT by allendale
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To: thetallguy24

Kicking Germany while she was down after WW I was a good thing? I guess the same people who thought so are the same ones who thought invading Iraq was a good thing.


18 posted on 03/31/2014 8:37:11 AM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: thetallguy24

Paulite views on 911 were similarly skewed along the lines of the leftists that we caused it by mistreating the Arab world.

Agit-prop 101.

Why the Pauls fall for these old Moscow-derived lies is a question that can’t be ignored.


19 posted on 03/31/2014 8:37:37 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Kickass Conservative

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LzzBOVsIFk

Yes...he clearly implies that...


20 posted on 03/31/2014 8:38:17 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: thetallguy24
Did FDR Provoke Pearl Harbor? -- Patrick J. Buchanan, December 7, 2011
21 posted on 03/31/2014 8:38:41 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: allendale

We might ask the Chinese if they speak Japanese.


22 posted on 03/31/2014 8:39:58 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: thetallguy24

Boy they can’t wait to take anyting he says and twist it into something...

As a political discussion he makes valid points. Hindsight is always clearer.


23 posted on 03/31/2014 8:41:20 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: thetallguy24

What a bunch of BS and who the hell cares?


24 posted on 03/31/2014 8:41:21 AM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: Chickensoup

Exactly! Not to mention FDR looking the other way while the attack planes approached Pearl. I had a grandfather IN the White House at the time. Not only could FDR walk if he wanted to, he did a bit of a jig when the attack news came.


25 posted on 03/31/2014 8:42:01 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: thetallguy24

Senator Paul is outstanding on some issues, but he’s hardly a conservative. That means we can ally with him at times, but we have to occasionally oppose him.

While his statement is likely true—that America’s trade actions helped influence the Japanese to attack us—he stunningly ignores the greater context. The Japanese were an evil, militaristic culture bent on regional conquest. Calling them evil is an understatement, because the Japanese were absolutely inhuman to anyone they conquered. In other words, they deserved everything they got in WWII and probably a whole lot more.

I don’t think America should be trading with nations like pre-WWII Japan. That would have made us complicit in their actions toward others, like the rape of Nanking in 1937. It also bears noting that we did NOT initiate actual military hostilities. The Japanese started it, and thank God we finished it. They are a far better people today because of it.


26 posted on 03/31/2014 8:42:44 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional "rights" cherished by Democrats.)
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To: thetallguy24
...leading up to World War II we cut off trade with Japan. That probably caused Japan to react angrily.

A factually true statement. The sanctions against Japan were meant to curtail its ability to fight a modern war against China, and they were extremely effective.

Iron ore, steel, and oil were the key embargoed items, and oil was the real big one. The embargo left Japan with two choices; i.e. take the oil or submit. Japan chose the former.

The lesson being that the enemy always has a choice when you present them with an ultimatum, and any effective embargo is an ultimatum.

FDR was quite foolish to present such an ultimatum to the Japanese and then not be ready for them to fight. What did the Japanese absolutely need, if they weren't to submit? Oil, which could only be gotten in Indonesia.

27 posted on 03/31/2014 8:44:17 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: thetallguy24
The analogy can be extended to his opinion on how to address Islamic hegemony. Rather than point out the danger inherent in Islam, let's not anger them.

P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C

28 posted on 03/31/2014 8:47:40 AM PDT by wtd
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To: thetallguy24

He goes down on notch in my estimation. Not beacuse of his theory. I don’t know enough deatilas of the history of the era to say if it’s vaguely possible, but rather because it was a stupid thing to say. And, if you’re running for office you should avoid saying stupid things (unless you’re a democrat, and then it’s expected and won’t hurt you. Look at Biden.)


29 posted on 03/31/2014 8:48:34 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: thetallguy24

Continuing to fuel Togo’s war machine with American oil would have made us complicit in the rape of China.


30 posted on 03/31/2014 8:48:53 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: thetallguy24
The title of the thread was written to make readers think he was opposing sanctions on Iran.

The video posted at the given link:
Rand Paul explains his vote in favor of sanctions against Iran

In it he was explaining his vote for the sanctions saying he believed that we needed to do something to Iran, and most of the video he explains why a pre-emptive war against Iran is a bad idea.

31 posted on 03/31/2014 8:49:27 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: onyx

The GOPe machine, particularly the Neocon foreign policy wing, finds Rand Paul distasteful.

I don’t find him so distasteful.

This is part of a smear campaign to take down Rand Paul.

If Rand thinks that endorsing Mitch McConnell buys him insurance from the smearing and destruction of his presidential ambitions by the GOPe, he’s wrong.

I would favor Cruz over Paul but if its Paul versus the GOPe (Christie, Bush etc. or their backups like Scott Walker) I vote Paul.


32 posted on 03/31/2014 8:50:59 AM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: thetallguy24; xzins
Rand Paul is off my list completely as a possible Presidential candidate!

His ignorance of history is breathtaking. As the saying goes, it is better to remain silent and be thought as an idiot than to speak out and remove all doubt.

At this point I can only conclude that there is no doubt but that Rand Paul is an idiot.

33 posted on 03/31/2014 8:51:08 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: thetallguy24

Had he said we should have been better prepared to defend Pearl ok, but blaming us for Pearl is out of whack. The guy comes across as a weasel.


34 posted on 03/31/2014 8:51:30 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: thetallguy24
I became suspicious when the ‘....’ replaced the words in the so called $$$ quote.

There are times when sanctions have made it worse. I mean, there are times .. leading up to World War II we cut off trade with Japan. That probably caused Japan to react angrily. We also had a blockade on Germany after World War I, which may have encouraged them … some of their anger.”

35 posted on 03/31/2014 8:51:37 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: aimhigh
This is so infantile when addressing aggression. From the 19th to the 20th century Japan was trying to gobble up land in Russia, China, Korea...for empire. They fought with the allies to secure a stronger position in Asia. From the 1930’s to Pearl Harbor Japanese was on the march. Like playing nice with horrific aggression will change behavior, if you believe that you are delusional
36 posted on 03/31/2014 8:52:14 AM PDT by wmap
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To: Tea Party Terrorist
Wow...yes...on both counts.... The issue was that we took out boot off their throat while progressives all publicly lauded Hitler and Mussolini..
37 posted on 03/31/2014 8:52:36 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Nation states do not remain in a state of perpetual gratitude when their allies of the moment move on to their subsequent self serving policies. Our first President George Washington told the French to get lost when they tried to involve us in their adventures despite the debt we owed them so recently incurred. Nations do not have loyalties, only interests.


38 posted on 03/31/2014 8:54:30 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
If we hadn’t intervened in WWI, there very likely would not have been a WWII. But I’m not sure that’s what Paul is saying.

He was referring to the "Hunger Blockade" that the Allies maintained against Germany after the Armistice, keeping food from getting into Germany during the post-Armistice famine. It was lifted when Germany agreed to the terms of the Treaty of Versailles.

39 posted on 03/31/2014 8:55:00 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: thetallguy24

There is a lot of truth in what he is saying but any legitimate defense the Japanese might have for their actions were destroyed by their cruelty and brutality towards conquered people.

Also attacking a country in a sneak attack is guaranteed to cause hatred towards those doing the attacking.

I have a book titled “The Rape of Nanking” which should enrage all civilized people. Oddly enough the hero of Nanking who saved thousands of Chinese was a Nazi.


40 posted on 03/31/2014 8:55:49 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Nextrush

Exactly right.
I won’t tolerate this type of crappy smear.


41 posted on 03/31/2014 8:57:31 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Parmenio

Japan and the United States was on sooner or later. It’s interesting that FDR was in bed with the Communists and the embargo was a ploy to prevent the Japanese from possibly attacking Russia and presenting Stalin with a two front war. FDR was probably not aware of the ulterior motives of his close advisers.

FDR still had a thing for Uncle Joe after Churchill started preparing for the war to come after WW II.


42 posted on 03/31/2014 8:57:51 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Kickass Conservative; Count of Monte Fisto; DwFry; mulligan
RE :”He didn’t say what the Headline says he said.”

I go into that here: #31

This thread reminds me of another thread posted here whose title claimed that a McDonalds closed because of striking workers, the suckers here took the bait sure that they all lost their jobs, I called the McDonalds and they were open and said they never closed.

43 posted on 03/31/2014 8:58:02 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: thetallguy24

Diplomacy starts with understanding your opposition & understanding the possible consequences of any course of action. I’m not well-versed in what led up to WWII. Could FDR have taken a different set of actions? Would it have mattered? We certainly know the results of what WAS done.

We’ve watched Obama address his opposition over the course of his tenure with contempt - first the Republicans & now Putin. He is ill-equipped to carry out diplomacy on any level. Maybe a more sensitive understanding of the possible consequences of any action are what we need.

I’m not sure I want Rand to run for President in 2016, but nothing in this article causes me any concern.


44 posted on 03/31/2014 8:59:58 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: null and void

Slightly different. If the Japanese didn’t strike out to secure other sources of oil and trade their industrial economy would collapse and people would starve. Compare that with the way the FDR and his Communist coterie treated the Soviets.


45 posted on 03/31/2014 9:00:42 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: thetallguy24

“There are times when sanctions have made it worse. I mean, there are times .. leading up to World War II we cut off trade with Japan. That probably caused Japan to react angrily. We also had a blockade on Germany after World War I, which may have encouraged them … some of their anger.”


Don’t react to the headlines which are manipulated to draw an emotional response from you.

Can your really argue with the above statement? But of course there are no win situations where no matter what you do, the inevitable is going to happen.


46 posted on 03/31/2014 9:04:36 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: Mr. K
"Boy they can’t wait to take anyting he says and twist it into something..."

Rand Paul has to be destroyed, he is a major threat to the neocons in general and Jeb Bush in particular.

47 posted on 03/31/2014 9:05:01 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Crim; Tea Party Terrorist
Yep, GWB made Iraq a model democratic state. AHHH feel the love from Iraq

With over 7,000 civilian casualties so far, 2013 has already become the deadliest year in Iraq since 2008. In its new project, a timeline of the violence, RT brings the sad record into the spotlight.
Go to ‘Iraq 2013: A year of carnage’ for the full timeline.
Following the withdrawal of US troops in December 2011, instead of engaging in post-war and occupation recovery, Iraq has been with each day plunging deeper into inter-ethnic violence, prompted by ever-growing tensions mostly between the country’s majority Shiite community and the Sunni minority.

Iraq 2013: Deadliest year since 2008 with 7,000+ killed

48 posted on 03/31/2014 9:06:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: aimhigh

The more he talks the more he sounds like his crazy father.


49 posted on 03/31/2014 9:06:47 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: thetallguy24

What Rand Paul said isn’t really so much of a stretch. I would recommend you read the Just read MODERN TIMES: THE WORLD FROM THE TWENTIES TO THE EIGHTIES by Paul Johnson, a highly respected conservative Catholic historian.


50 posted on 03/31/2014 9:07:29 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus
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