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Evidence the Hawaii Medical Examiner turned a blind eye to the death of Loretta Fuddy
birtherreport ^ | March 31, 2014 | Linda Jordan

Posted on 03/31/2014 10:55:40 AM PDT by ethical

Seeing With One’s Own Eyes : Evidence the Hawaii Medical Examiner turned a blind eye to the death of Loretta Fuddy by Linda Jordan

The principal aim of an autopsy is to determine the cause of death when the cause of death is equivocal or unknown. It is a “strictly the facts ma’am” kind of procedure.

A Medical Examiner or Coroner simply reports what is “seen with their own eyes” concerning the condition of the body and organs after an autopsy. A review of the deceased’s medical history is also included in their assessment. When all is said and done they offer a professional opinion as to the manner of death based on the physical findings and medical history.

If you have ever read a Coroner’s report you know they are very dry. No ad-libbing or wild guessing, no emotion, just straight reporting and fact based conclusions about the state of the body. Lots of words and phrases like, “anterior thorax”, “usual lobular architecture”, “unremarkable”, “perirenal soft tissue”, “sclerae and conjunctivae”, “intact”, “coronary arteries arise normally”, “well-preserved follicular and trabecular markings”.

That’s why I was concerned by newspaper accounts of the Hawaii Medical Examiner’s reported cause of death for Loretta Fuddy, the former Director of the Hawaii Department of Health. What the medical examiner has released so far is heavy on the perceived emotion of Loretta at the time of her death and speculation about the condition of her heart.

Emotion and speculation are not things the medical examiner could have seen with her own eyes.

Some Background.

You will remember that Loretta Fuddy was the person who released photo copies of Barack Obama’s original, long form Certificate of Live Birth. She did this at Obama’s request and said that she hoped it would put an end to the “numerous inquiries” the Hawaii DOH has received to produce the document. Judith Corley, Obama’s lawyer, says she flew to Hawaii to collect this document.

Obama then posted the purported birth certificate to the White House website on April 27, 2011. It has since been proven to be an abject forgery. It was not a scan of a photo copy of an original document. It was a forged PDF file that never existed in paper form until someone pushed print.

Loretta Fuddy died after a plane crash on December 11, 2013. Just a month and a half prior she had been named in two affidavits filed in U.S. District Court, Western District of Washington. The originator of the affidavits had asked that a Grand Jury be convened to investigate Obama’s forged birth certificate and Fuddy’s role, if any, in its production.

Fuddy and her Deputy Director Keith Yamamoto had traveled to the island of Molokai that day on a work related trip. On their return flight the small plane they were riding in was forced to make an emergency ocean landing, fairly close to shore, after suffering a complete engine failure.

It was a very smooth landing according to the video one passenger captured. All nine passengers, including Loretta, secured their life jackets and calmly disembarked from the plane. In fact there was almost no sound as they exited into the approximately 70 degree water.

Within minutes after the forced landing a small plane flew overhead and survivors knew that help was on the way. Then, inexplicably, Loretta Fuddy suffered an equivocal death. A death of unknown origin.

Problems With The Autopsy: The First Cause Of Death Release.

Loretta was the only fatality, and a high profile one. Autopsies are to be performed as soon after death as possible. Preferably within 24 hours. It was reported that Loretta Fuddy’s autopsy took place two days after her death. Why wait two days? And if the autopsy was completed on December 13th, 2013 why were the results kept private for a month? Details from the autopsy report were not revealed until January 13, 2014. And scant details they were. The Maui Police Department, not the Medical Examiner’s Office, reported that Loretta Fuddy, “suffered a cardiac arrhythmia while floating in the water” and that Fuddy's “irregular heartbeat” was the result of stress brought on by the December 11 crash.

It is not possible to diagnose death by “cardiac arrhythmia”. It is something that can only be measured in a live person and there is no evidence of it after death. If someone had a medical history of cardiac arrhythmia it could be a good guess but a guess none the less.

And therein lies the rub. The Medical Examiners designation of death, cardiac arrhythmia due to stress, is in direct conflict with the known facts.

Loretta’s brother, Lewis P. Fuddy Jr., says that his sister was healthy, that she had no heart problems and that she was not a stressed or fearful person. He said that she was a very calm person and had to be given her job. His personal knowledge of his own sister directly controverts the medical examiner’s conclusion.

Passenger accounts of what transpired during the crash and after directly controverts the medical examiners conclusion.

“Clyde Kawasaki, the pilot, has said Fuddy seemed to be in fine condition while bobbing in the water after everyone left the airplane and waited for rescue crews to show up at the scene.”

'Everyone was real quiet. We hit (the water) and it was all about getting the belts off,' he said, describing how everyone started putting on life jackets and remained on the plane until it seemed to start sinking.'There wasn't panic or anything. It was very orderly,' he said. Phillip Hollstein

“Bobbing in the water, Hollstein noticed the pilot and seven other passengers seemed fine. 'I didn't want to sit out there bobbing, so I figured I'd take a shot at going to the shoreline.' He guesses the swim to the rugged shoreline took an hour and a half. He was surprised to hear later that one of the passengers, Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy, had later died. 'She was doing fine out of the airplane,' Hollstein said”.

The video footage of the actual plane crash directly controverts the medical examiner’s conclusion. Loretta Fuddy was not screaming or crying. No one was. “The 2002 Cessna Grand Caravan's cabin starts to flood after impact - but everyone remains calm and eerily quiet as they leave the sinking craft.” “In the video, the passengers can be seen making their way out calmly.”

There is only one hearsay account that Fuddy needed to “relax” after the crash. KeithYamamoto purportedly told Rev. Patrick Killilea that he had held Loretta’s hand and tried to help her to “relax” but at some point she let go of his hand and was unresponsive.

The Second Cause Of Death Release.

Two months after the Maui Police Department revealed Fuddy’s cause of death the Associated Press (AP) sent out a short article with details straight from their own copy of the autopsy report which they obtained on March 10, 2014. Now, four months after her death, we learn this from newspaper accounts of the AP story.

*‘Autopsy report says Loretta Fuddy was “markedly afraid” after plane crash’.

*‘Details in the autopsy report of Hawaii's former health director who died after a plane's ocean landing revealed how traumatic the ordeal was for her.’

*‘The autopsy report obtained by The Associated Press on Monday said Loretta Fuddy was "markedly afraid" while waiting for help to arrive after the small plane crashed off Molokai on Dec. 11.’

*‘The report says 65-year-old Fuddy was a "rudimentary swimmer" who never swam in the ocean.’

*The autopsy said [Fuddy’s] acute cardiac arrhythmia was due to hyperventilation.

*Official autopsy results for late state health director Loretta Fuddy reveal she was a poor swimmer and never swam in ocean waters.

*According to the report, witnesses saw Fuddy exit the aircraft with her flotation device and [she] was “markedly afraid” while waiting for rescue personnel to arrive. She was pronounced dead after being brought to shore. (This is in direct conflict with first hand witness accounts reported at the time. Remember the pilot and passenger Hollstein both said Fuddy was calm and was doing fine and no witness in any newspaper account of the crash ever said Fuddy was “markedly afraid”. So where did this come from?)

*The [autopsy] report says reported ocean conditions included relatively calm five-foot waves that occasionally splashed over the face of the crash victims as they awaited rescue.

Listen to the words coming out of the medical examiner’s report: Loretta Fuddy was markedly afraid, it was a traumatic ordeal, she was a poor swimmer, she never swam in the ocean, water occasionally splashed over her face while awaiting rescue, ocean conditions included relatively calm five-foot waves. This is an autopsy report? Does this sound like a systematic external and internal examination of a dead body to determine if any abnormalities are present and are the cause of death? Where are the words that actually tell us the condition of her body and health? Why are the emotional, speculative words pushed to the forefront but the technical, factual descriptions are kept hidden? And why is this autopsy report filled with emotion and speculation in the first place?

The AP did not share a copy of the report which was said to be heavily redacted. It is important to note that attorney Orly Taitz made a public records request for the autopsy report on December 18, 2013 and has never received a copy.

Why did the AP get a copy but not Taitz? It is a public record subject to Hawaii’s Unified Information Practices Act Statue 92F. I requested one myself but seriously doubt it will be forthcoming . Is it only released to people who will beat the drum that Loretta’s death was caused by fear & hyperventilation?

A final point. One headline announcing the Maui Police Department’s release of autopsy details (January 13, 2014) said that Loretta’s death had been ruled “accidental”.

As of March 29, 2014 no one knows why the plane’s engine failed. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has yet to determine the cause of the crash so how can the Medical Examiner or the Maui Police Department rule Fuddy’s death “accidental”?

Closing.

The Medical Examiner’s autopsy report guesses at the cause of death for Loretta Fuddy. And sometimes, absent any clues from the body, that’s all you can do. However, I would wager in this case that most Medical Examiners would have gone with, “manner of death undetermined”. But what makes Dr. Harle’s guess most disturbing is the fact that it is in direct conflict with eyewitness accounts of Loretta at the time of the crash and in direct conflict with her own brother’s knowledge of her.

She’s clearly trying to make a square peg fit in to a round hole in spite of the facts.

Review all the documentation I’ve supplied. See it with your own eyes and then ask yourself three questions.

1. Does this autopsy report, what little we’ve seen of it, sound like an autopsy report?

2. Does the “markedly afraid” portrayal of Loretta Fuddy jive with the original eye witness accounts and the video?

3. Is the designation of death, by cardiac arrhythmia due to a fearful, un-calm, hyperventilating demeanor, supported by the description that Lewis Fuddy gives of his sister Loretta?

Read it again and let it sink in.

‘The brother of state Health Director Loretta Fuddy said his sister had no heart problems or pre-existing conditions that would have contributed to her death following a December plane crash off Molo­kai. "She was a healthy lady," Lewis Fuddy said Monday. "She handled stress every day as director of the state Department of Health. She solved problems under pressure. She was a very calm person." ‘ ."She wasn't an anxious person," he said. "To be head of the Health Department, you have to have some cool nerves."

End Notes

1 having two or more possible meanings: not easily understood or explained 2 Unlike Coroners, Medical Examiners are government-appointed physicians who are certified specialists in forensic pathology. They do not need permission from the next of kin to perform an autopsy. 3 Origin of AUTOPSY: Greek autopsia, the act of seeing with one's own eyes, First Known Use: 1678. 4 Dr. Harle, Medical Examiner of Maui County 221 Mahalani Street, Wailuku HI 96793 (808) 244-9056 | Fax: (808) 242-2443 Maui Memorial Medical Center 5 There is such a thing as a Psychological Autopsy (PA) particularly in cases of suspected suicide where life insurance policies are involved. They include extensive interviews with family, friends and a review of the deceased personal records. Conclusions based on this kind of autopsy are generally not accepted in legal criminal proceedings but have been used in civil cases. They primarily serve to bring closure to the family. A PA is done in addition to the autopsy performed by the Medical Examiner. There is no suggestion that Loretta Fuddy killed herself and no evidence that a PA was performed on her. 6 http://www.mcso.org/PressRelease/ 2012 March 1,21, July 17 7 Ms. Fuddy was named in two affidavits (one public, one sealed) filed in the U.S. District Court, Western District of Washington on October 18, 2013, by Douglas Vogt, citing twenty points of forgery that comprise misprision of treason and misprision of felony. Vogt, with researcher and document expert Paul Irey, investigated the intricacies of the forgery. Mr. Vogt’s affidavit and Ms. Fuddy’s involvement gained national attention when he was interviewed on The Hagmann & Hagmann Report on December 4, 2013, exactly one week to the day before her tragic death on December 11, 2013. http://www.saveamericafoundation.com/2014/01/12/what-are-the-chances-the-mysterious-death-of-loretta-fuddy-by-doug-hagmann/ 8 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/12/hawaii-obama-birth-certificate-fuddy/3996657/ 9 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 10 http://pathlabs.ufl.edu/services/autopsy/faq-autopsy http://usaforensics.com/faqs/ 11 http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24439053/breaking-autopsy-for-health-director-fuddy-following-plane-crash-released. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html “Fuddy's irregular heartbeat was the result of stress from the Dec. 11 crash… Maui police announced, revealing the findings of an autopsy conducted two days after the crash. The pilot and seven other passengers on the Makani Kai Air flight survived without major injuries. “All the passengers, including Fuddy, safely evacuated the plane and activated life-vests, but according to a newly released autopsy, Fuddy suffered a cardiac arrhythmia while floating in the water, waiting for rescuers.” “Fuddy, 65, was healthy and didn't have any known heart problems, her brother, Lewis Fuddy, said Monday."She wasn't an anxious person," he said. "To be head of the Health Department, you have to have some cool nerves." 12 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html 13 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html 14 Pathologist factors: Some doctors express dissatisfaction with the quality of an autopsy if the pathologist does not provide answers regarding the case. Unfortunately, an autopsy does not guarantee that the cause of death, for example a heart arrhythmia, will be identified. http://www.medicinenet.com/autopsy/page3.htm#what_is_the_autopsy_report 15 http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/maui-police-release-cause-of-death-for-fuddy/-/8905354/23912372/-/qt081t/-/index.html#ixzz2xITz0qDK 16 Heart trouble led to Fuddy's death But the state health director did not have cardiac or stress problems, her brother says’ By Timothy Hurley POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Jan 14, 2014 The brother of state Health Director Loretta Fuddy said his sister had no heart problems or pre-existing conditions that would have contributed to her death following a December plane crash off Molo­kai. "She was a healthy lady," Lewis Fuddy said Monday. "She handled stress every day as director of the state Department of Health. She solved problems under pressure. She was a very calm person." http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=240050041 17 http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/13/22294162-hawaiian-health-director-died-of-irregular-heartbeat-after-plane-crash?lite 18 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2536931/New-footage-shows-harrowing-moment-small-plane-crashed-Hawaii-killed-woman-published-President-Obamas-birth-certificate.html#ixzz2xN5RYmJN 19 http://www.chicagonewsday.com/feed/national/11572-new-footage-shows-the-harrowing-moment-a-small-plane-crashed-off-hawaii-and-killed-the-woman-who-published-president-obama-s-birth-certificate.txt 20 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 21 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 22 In the final moments of her life, Fuddy clung to the hand of her deputy, Keith Yamamoto, while floating in the water. Fuddy, who became widely known in 2011 for her role in making President Barack Obama’s birth certificate public, held hands with Yamamoto as he tried to help her relax, said the Rev. Patrick Killilea, who consoled Yamamoto after the ordeal. http://westhawaiitoday.com/news/state-wire/survivor-recounts-plane-crash-killed-fuddy#sthash.KpCCTidu.dpuf 23 Details in the autopsy report of Hawaii's former health director who died after a plane's ocean landing revealed how traumatic the ordeal was for her. The autopsy report obtained by The Associated Press on Monday said Loretta Fuddy was "markedly afraid" while waiting for help to arrive after the small plane crashed off Molokai on Dec. 11. The report says 65-year-old Fuddy was a "rudimentary swimmer" who never swam in the ocean. Maui police have said her death was the result of an irregular heartbeat triggered by stress. The autopsy said the acute cardiac arrhythmia was due to hyperventilation. The pilot and seven other passengers on the Makani Kai Air flight survived without major injuries. Maui County cited privacy laws for redacting significant portions of the report. http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140310_Autopsy_report_said_health_director_was_markedly_afraid_after_plane_crash 24 http://khon2.com/2014/03/11/autopsy-reveals-fuddys-final-moments-after-crash/ 25 http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-lawyer-files-request-fuddy-autopsy/ 26 Email On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:40 PM, from Linda Jordan to Orly Taitz. I was just curious if they gave you a copy of the autopsy like they did the AP? And if they did not, why not? You did request one right? LJ they did not provide me with any answer and right now I do not have the money to file yet another law suit in HI to get it (Orly Taitz) 27 March 26, 2014 TO: Public Records Officer Coroner and Medical Examiner’s Office of Maui County RE: Request for Public Record Autopsy Report for Loretta Jean Fuddy The Associated Press reported on March 12th, 2014 that they had received a copy of the Autopsy Report for Loretta Fuddy conducted by Dr. Harle, Coroner and Medical Examiner for Maui County. I am requesting a copy of the Autopsy Report for Loretta Jean Fuddy aka Loretta Deliana Fuddy under the Unified Information Practices Act Statue 92F. Fuddy’s date of death was reported as December 11, 2013. Date of autopsy reported as December 12 or 13, 2013. I will pay the cost of copies and mailing. Electronic transfer would be acceptable also. Thank you, Linda Jordan Dr. Harle, Coroner and Medical Examiner of Maui County 221 Mahalani Street, Wailuku HI 96793 (808) 244-9056 | Fax: (808) 242-2443 Maui Memorial Medical Center 28 Hyperventilation brought on by panic or fear rarely results in death. 29 http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/maui-police-release-cause-of-death-for-fuddy/-/8905354/23912372/-/qt081t/-/index.html#ixzz2xITz0qDK 30 http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=240050041 31 http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24439053/breaking-autopsy-for-health-director-fuddy-following-plane-crash-released. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html


TOPICS: Conspiracy; UFO's
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; bobbauer; butterdezillion; eligibility; forgery; fraud; fuddy; hawaii; lorettafuddy; naturalborncitizen; obama
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A slightly updated version of the birtherreport article.
1 posted on 03/31/2014 10:55:40 AM PDT by ethical
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To: ethical

Updated Dead Pool file.

http://www.nachumlist.com/deadpool.htm


2 posted on 03/31/2014 11:05:21 AM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

BFL. Thanks.


3 posted on 03/31/2014 11:06:27 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Nachum

Another bits the dust and nobody even to see why.

Odumbo’s “list” is getting to sound more like Clinton’s every day. Too many “un-explained” deaths going around.


4 posted on 03/31/2014 11:06:54 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Progov

Loss lips sink ships. Obobo will leave no witness behind as that’s the D.C. way of cleaning up behind yourself.


5 posted on 03/31/2014 11:11:05 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: ethical

I makes perfect sense that this woman was afraid. What doesn’t make sense is how she died. If it was from a heart attack, the autopsy would show it. IMO, if it was a hit job, the pilot would have been in on it!


6 posted on 03/31/2014 11:12:10 AM PDT by gr8eman (But thermodynamics is just a social construct, created by the ruling white power structure)
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To: LucyT; null and void; WildHighlander57; maggief

FYI


7 posted on 03/31/2014 11:14:34 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: ethical
cardiac arrhythmia

had one last month - passed out for 4 min - pissed myself & scared the hell out of my wife.....if I get a choice on how I die, this is it - I just went to sleep - no pain - just light headedness for about 30 seconds -

That said - anything connected to this regime is suspect & the secrecy raises more red flags

8 posted on 03/31/2014 11:15:56 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (por que no musica?)
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To: ethical

‘The brother of state Health Director Loretta Fuddy said his sister had no heart problems or pre-existing conditions that would have contributed to her death following a December plane crash off Molo­kai. “She was a healthy lady,”


Yeah, sorry, all one has to do is see a photo of her to know that she was significantly obese, and therefore not healthy and a prime risk for heart failure at her age.


9 posted on 03/31/2014 11:16:08 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: hoosiermama

Many thanks, hoosiermama!

“Stay the course”


10 posted on 03/31/2014 11:18:38 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: ethical

IBTNFAP


11 posted on 03/31/2014 11:19:25 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Progov
Too many “un-explained” deaths going around.

Too many "explained" deaths going around such as Fuddy, Sandy Hook, Bin Laden without simple proof also.

12 posted on 03/31/2014 11:30:09 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Heard an interview with LBJ’s mistress of many years back in the 80’s. She intimated that LBJ was involved in Bobby Kennedy’s assasination. Then she said that, to Lindon, killing people was just part of doing business and that he was a really good man. Guess Zero is just doing business.


13 posted on 03/31/2014 11:33:07 AM PDT by TStro (Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.)
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To: ethical

..............As of March 29, 2014 no one knows why the plane’s engine failed.......................

Must’a had one of them there GM ignition switches with the pilot’s beer can opener swinging from it!


14 posted on 03/31/2014 11:34:12 AM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: ethical

Logically, it doesnt make sense. If your’e going to kill her, there are much easier ways than taking out a whole plane. Second, this supposed plot would involve the plane crashing, and one of the survivors killing her. if someone on the plane was in on the plot, why would they consent to being on a crashed plane with the chance of getting killed themselves?

Sorry, but sometimes it just is what it is.


15 posted on 03/31/2014 11:37:46 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: ethical

Bkmk


16 posted on 03/31/2014 11:43:28 AM PDT by BigIsleGal (Wake Me Up When the Stupid Wears Off)
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To: ethical

What was immediately creepy about this crash and her singular death is that those up on the details of the alleged Obama forgeries and the fact the Fuddy might have been a primary player in those forgeries had been grimly predicting that she’d be the next mysterious death of people who were in positions to know “too much” about Obama’s background and life style(s).


17 posted on 03/31/2014 11:52:01 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: ethical

America never learned t why Ron Brown had a neat round hole in skull either.


18 posted on 03/31/2014 11:55:54 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Revelation 911; butterdezillion

BTZ was right about the two different plane pictures

One had a window between the door and the tail, and the other did not have one

This is getting freaky


19 posted on 03/31/2014 11:56:32 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: Revelation 911
had one last month - passed out for 4 min - pissed myself & scared the hell out of my wife.....if I get a choice on how I die, this is it - I just went to sleep - no pain - just light headedness for about 30 seconds -

LOL, they can be scary.

Before I retired I had multiple episodes of arrhythmia that caused rapid heartbeats (170+bpm), tunnel vision and the occasional blackouts. After multiple heart tests involving EKG's, Echo-cardiograms, ultrasounds, etc., the cardiologist said it was a common afib type problem that is often caused by stress and anxiety. It is not normally life threatening in a healthy person with no blockages, etc. He put me on medication to control my heart rate along with Wellbutrin for anxiety and stress.

Well, I decided working in a high paying stressful job until I was 62 was not that important. I retired at 58, have lost 30 pounds so far since I'm not working up to 80 hours a week, and have NO more arrhythmia's. I'm off of all of the medications. Stress can cause these issues but if Fuddy was in otherwise good health, it's very doubtful that she would have died from the irregular heartbeat. The times that it is fatal are caused by blood clots that cause a stroke and that would have shown up in the autopsy. I do take an aspirin a day to eliminate that possibility in the case of an arrhythmia. Irregular heartbeat is not normally life threatening, according to my cardiologist, if it occurs in the upper part of the heart as it is if it's in the lower part. Afib is the most common and least deadly, according to him.

20 posted on 03/31/2014 12:38:05 PM PDT by Tennessee Conservative
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To: Boogieman

Plenty of fat people are healthy and lots of marathon runners are sick and drop dead of heart attacks. Pictures do not tell the whole story.


21 posted on 03/31/2014 12:39:39 PM PDT by ethical
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To: bigdaddy45

Agree. But the autopsy is not playing out that way. Something is being covered up.


22 posted on 03/31/2014 12:41:27 PM PDT by ethical
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To: Tennessee Conservative

The big problem with a-fib is the probability of a blood clot formimg. You normally go on a blood thinner.


23 posted on 03/31/2014 12:54:59 PM PDT by Clay Moore ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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To: ethical

I wouldn’t be surprised if Dr. Harle meets an accidental death in the near future. Gotta make sure those loose ends don’t cause trouble.


24 posted on 03/31/2014 12:58:15 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: bigdaddy45

What if Kawasaki had been tasked with taking Fuddy out and the plane crash was truly accidental and not sabotage?


25 posted on 03/31/2014 1:03:31 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: bigdaddy45

Sorry, I meant “Yamamoto”, not Kawasaki.


26 posted on 03/31/2014 1:04:10 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: bigdaddy45
If your’e going to kill her, there are much easier ways than taking out a whole plane. Second, this supposed plot would involve the plane crashing, and one of the survivors killing her. if someone on the plane was in on the plot, why would they consent to being on a crashed plane with the chance of getting killed themselves?

I'm not saying I believe it, but I don't see why someone on the plane needs to be involved.

In the airport, Fuddy is injected, or ingests a toxin that will eventually cause her heart to stop. You would want to administer the toxin when certain that Fuddy was going to be on the plane. Maybe someone walks up to her as her flight is boarding, and thanks her for helping them with something, and simply wants to shake her hand. The toxin does not work immediately - that would result in either medical attention right there at the airport, and a person not diagnosed with a heart condition dying of a sudden heart stoppage, of unknown cause, might raise suspicion. Since the toxin takes awhile to work, and to insure that she can't be rushed to a hospital, the engine of the plane she is about to board is sabotaged. If the plane crashes catastrophically that is ok, and if the pilot is able to make a successful water landing, that too is ok. As long as medical attention can not be provided during the required period that is all that would be required.

The toxin guarantees that Fuddy will not survive, and the plane insures that medical personnel are not able to document her death. No one need be involved accept the person who administers the toxin to Fuddy, and sabotages the engine. Only one or two people, very simple, and very easy.
27 posted on 03/31/2014 1:20:18 PM PDT by MMaschin
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To: MMaschin
Also, I forgot one main thing.

If Fuddy was killed, it would be imperative that she not survive, and if the method of killing her was not immediate, that she not know that she was being killed.

Why? Simple, if someone did kill her, it's safe to say that it was because she had damaging information. And if that is true, and she became aware that someone was trying to kill her, I think it's also safe to say that she might decide to pass that damaging information onto someone around her.
28 posted on 03/31/2014 1:28:18 PM PDT by MMaschin
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To: ethical

“Plenty of fat people are healthy...”

Sure they are. Obesity puts you at higher risk for all sorts of serious, life-threatening diseases and shortens your life expectancy considerably, but keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.


29 posted on 03/31/2014 2:03:01 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Clay Moore

Right. Mine is not actually Afib, or at least the doctor didn’t say it was. The doctor said it’s “an Afib like disorder caused by stress”. I take an aspirin a day instead of the normal blood thinners just to be on the safe side because if I get really tired I can feel a slight bit but nothing like it was. I also get checked annually to check for any artery blockages that might be dislodged but they have never found any and since I retired the problem seems to have pretty much stopped. It got so bad while I was working that they put me on short-term disability for a while and a month before I retired they put me on a temporary 40-hour a week restriction. I decided the best thing I could do was retire. So far I don’t have anymore problems with it.


30 posted on 03/31/2014 2:20:07 PM PDT by Tennessee Conservative
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To: Two Kids' Dad; maggief; WildHighlander57; All

Where is Yamamoto. He seems to have just dropped out of sight? What’s he doing to pay his bills?


31 posted on 03/31/2014 2:22:17 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Boogieman

And the number of marathon running, vegetarians who have heart attacks?


32 posted on 03/31/2014 2:34:25 PM PDT by ethical
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To: ethical

Is completely immaterial to my point about Fuddy, so I don’t give a hoot.


33 posted on 03/31/2014 5:10:56 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: hoosiermama

You can call Keith at (808) 586-4412. He’s still Deputy Director of Health.
He took a little time off because he was in a plane that fell into the Pacific Ocean.


34 posted on 03/31/2014 11:21:07 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: ethical
Problems with this report:
It is not possible to diagnose death by “cardiac arrhythmia”. It is something that can only be measured in a live person and there is no evidence of it after death. If someone had a medical history of cardiac arrhythmia it could be a good guess but a guess none the less.
That's absolute crap. Cardiac arrthymia has been able to be measured post-mortem for decades now, especially if it involves ventricular fibrillation. Only 6% of sudden cardiac deaths are unable to be explained, and advances in molecular biology and the use of post-mortem cardiac MRIs are taking care of that problem.
Loretta’s brother, Lewis P. Fuddy Jr., says that his sister was healthy, that she had no heart problems and that she was not a stressed or fearful person. He said that she was a very calm person and had to be given her job. His personal knowledge of his own sister directly controverts the medical examiner’s conclusion.
I'll take the medical examiner's professional opinion over what some brother thinks. I'm a raging stressball. My siblings and parents think I'm the calmest person in the world because I internalize all of it. They would be surprised by the heart medication I take.
*‘Autopsy report says Loretta Fuddy was “markedly afraid” after plane crash’.
This could actually be determined by the level of adrenaline and types and amounts of enzymes present in the body after death. Secondly, being a calm person with no known heart problems doesn't prevent the onset of SADS. See several young athletes who have died of that problem.
ocean conditions included relatively calm five-foot waves
Five foot waves are relatively calm? Has this person every been floating in the ocean in five foot waves? They're nuts if they think it's 'calm'!
. This is an autopsy report? Does this sound like a systematic external and internal examination of a dead body to determine if any abnormalities are present and are the cause of death? Where are the words that actually tell us the condition of her body and health? Why are the emotional, speculative words pushed to the forefront but the technical, factual descriptions are kept hidden? And why is this autopsy report filled with emotion and speculation in the first place?
Because it's not an autopsy report? It's a summary of an autopsy report, done by a journalist who wants good copy. It has no official bearing whatsoever.
The AP did not share a copy of the report which was said to be heavily redacted
Correct. They are forbidden by law to do so. You have to request it yourself.
is important to note that attorney Orly Taitz made a public records request for the autopsy report on December 18, 2013 and has never received a copy....Why did the AP get a copy but not Taitz? It is a public record subject to Hawaii’s Unified Information Practices Act Statue 92F. I requested one myself but seriously doubt it will be forthcoming . Is it only released to people who will beat the drum that Loretta’s death was caused by fear & hyperventilation?
No, it's because the autopsy report is not released just on request to anybody. Per their own website for the Honolulu Medical Examiner: There is a five dollar ($5.00) processing fee. Please enclose a check for the amount made payable to Department of the Medical Examiner. A copy of the autopsy report will be mailed to you when it is completed. Please understand that, occasionally, final reports may take as much as six (6) to eight (8) weeks to be completed. I'm betting that neither Orly nor you paid the five bucks.
As of March 29, 2014 no one knows why the plane’s engine failed. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has yet to determine the cause of the crash so how can the Medical Examiner or the Maui Police Department rule Fuddy’s death “accidental”?
Becuase they have found no evidence that it's intentional. That's what you do when don't find intentional evidence of murder.
However, I would wager in this case that most Medical Examiners would have gone with, “manner of death undetermined”.
And you'd be wrong, because you don't know what you're talking about.
1. Does this autopsy report, what little we’ve seen of it, sound like an autopsy report?
It is impossible for me to say, primarily because the "little we've seen of it" is not enough to base an opinion on one way or the other. I'd have to see the actual autopsy report, not some summary a report jibed up.
2. Does the “markedly afraid” portrayal of Loretta Fuddy jive with the original eye witness accounts and the video?
Depends on the chemicals and enzymes present in Loretta Fuddy at death, as fear is not something always detectable by the eye.
3. Is the designation of death, by cardiac arrhythmia due to a fearful, un-calm, hyperventilating demeanor, supported by the description that Lewis Fuddy gives of his sister Loretta?
Depending on the biological factors, yes or no. Hearsay by a brother don't mean squat.

Shoddy reasoning. Needs a lot more medical and scientific info involved and not just pure speculation.
35 posted on 04/01/2014 12:36:08 AM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: Nero Germanicus

Thanks for the information. He did return to work as Duluth Director


36 posted on 04/01/2014 1:36:52 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: GAFreedom
Five foot waves are relatively calm? Has this person every been floating in the ocean in five foot waves? They're nuts if they think it's 'calm'!

Okay, I'm nuts, but that is calm for the ocean. They are swells, not breakers, and as they go through, objects and people on the surface bob up and down with them. Since the five feet are measured from the bottom of the trough to the top of the swell, and the wavelengths are fairly long, the effect is not as abrupt as you might think.

37 posted on 04/01/2014 2:00:14 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: bigdaddy45
The intent is plausible deniability and the suspension of disbelief and most casual observers will likely stop their critical thinking with "plane crash", as your comments show.

However, ditching a plane, especially a plane designed to fly and land well at slow speed like Cessna's Caravans, is not the guaranteed death that might be implied by "plane crash".

Even ditching in high speed passenger jets can be survivable, just ask Capt. Sullenberger about his ditching into the icy Hudson where all 150 passengers and 5 crew survived.

So, this could easily be the "perfect" scenario for a hit to clean up loose ends with no collateral damage, where all survive but the target and few bother to look more closely.

The Caravan might have revealed clues as to why its Pratt & Whitney turboprop engine, one of the world's most reliable, would have developed problems, but it was somehow destroyed after it was ditched into the ocean.

Curious...

38 posted on 04/01/2014 7:27:09 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

If you’re going to set out to kill someone.... doing it this way would be WAY too complicated. I really can’t see a scenario where someone would go to so much trouble for some obscure gov’t official.


39 posted on 04/01/2014 8:05:06 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45
Given the circumstances and mystery surrounding Loretta Fuddy and her associations, she's not all that obscure in certain circles, but the need to make her appear so and maintain that appearance is understandable.

Assuming this was a hit, it doesn't appear to be "much trouble" at all from here to get the result they were after.

Political hits can range from basic to something close to an art form, designed with an ending in mind and a message to be sent.

40 posted on 04/01/2014 8:24:13 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: bigdaddy45; GBA

Fuddy was director of health for the state, who oversees, among other things, the official records, birth records.

She’s the one that was named in a law suit brought by a Mr. vogt, last October time frame.

The suit had to do with the Obama birth cert.

Ms fuddy was not an obscure government official; she hobnobbed with high rank people such as the governor.


41 posted on 04/01/2014 8:25:50 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: GAFreedom
GAfreedom Problems with this report as you see it: That's absolute crap. Cardiac arrthymia has been able to be measured post-mortem for decades now, especially if it involves ventricular fibrillation.

Several medical sources disagree with your statement and report that cardiac arrthymia is one cause of death that can not be confirmed by autopsy particularly absent any history of it.

Concerning what Loretta’s brother, Lewis P. Fuddy Jr., said about his sister’s health, lack of heart trouble, calm personality you say: I'll take the medical examiner's professional opinion over what some brother thinks.

You have not seen the medical examiner’s professional opinion. Only snippets of her report which contain none of the professional opinion stuff except the one phrase, ‘cardiac arrhythmia due to hyperventilation”. And part of the medical examiner’s job, particularly when trying to assign cardiac arrhythmia as a cause of death, would be to interview people who knew the deceased to see if there was any history of heart trouble or anxiety problems. And review her medical charts.

This could actually be determined by the level of adrenaline and types and amounts of enzymes present in the body after death.

These results would need to be seen and should be released.

Five foot waves are relatively calm? Has this person every been floating in the ocean in five foot waves? They're nuts if they think it's 'calm'!

The wave quote was presented as a direct quote from the autopsy report by the medical examiner. You say the details released were not from the autopsy report. How do you know? You say you have not seen it. And the quotes were not presented as a summery but as snippets of direct quotes from the report.

You say the newspaper reports have no official bearing whatsoever. So then the cause of death as reported in the newspapers has no official bearing?

And why did the AP get a copy of the autopsy but not Orly Taitz? You say,

it's because the autopsy report is not released just on request to anybody.

According to Hawaii law they are public records available to the public. That is why it was released to the AP. And any requester would be informed by the public records officer of the cost.

As of March 29, 2014 no one knows why the plane’s engine failed. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has yet to determine the cause of the crash. You say it can be ruled accidental because:

they have found no evidence that it’s intentional. That’s what you do when don’t find intentional evidence of murder.

All I am saying is that if the medical examiner would wait for lab results before making a determination of ‘death by accident” you have to acknowledge that a piece of the necessary information is still out there: the cause of the crash.

1. Does this autopsy report, what little we’ve seen of it, sound like an autopsy report?

It is impossible for me to say, primarily because the "little we've seen of it" is not enough to base an opinion on one way or the other. I'd have to see the actual autopsy report, not some summary a report jibed up.

Of course we would all like to see a copy of the actual report. But the descriptions I included of the report are represented as direct quotes taken from the autopsy report and it does not sound like any autopsy report I have read .

2. Does the “markedly afraid” portrayal of Loretta Fuddy jive with the original eye witness accounts and the video?

Depends on the chemicals and enzymes present in Loretta Fuddy at death, as fear is not something always detectable by the eye.

If Loretta Fuddy was “markedly afraid” and “hyperventilating” the pilot and passenger Hollestein would not have said she appeared fine and calm. Those two things are detectable by the eye and would have been heard on the video.

3. Is the designation of death, by cardiac arrhythmia due to a fearful, un-calm, hyperventilating demeanor, supported by the description that Lewis Fuddy gives of his sister Loretta?

Depending on the biological factors, yes or no. Hearsay by a brother don't mean squat.

What the family says does mean squat particularly when it comes to death brought on by “stress” and an anxiety filled personality. They knew her and her brother said she was very calm in stressful situations. And you don’t know that she did not share her medical history with him. Family members tend to do that.

42 posted on 04/01/2014 9:14:54 AM PDT by ethical
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To: ethical

“In the water, Fuddy held hands with Health Department deputy director Keith Yamamoto as he tried to help her relax, said Rev. Patrick Killilea, who consoled Yamamoto after the ordeal.

“He recounted how he said he helped Loretta into her life jacket and he held her hand for some time,” the Kalaupapa priest said last month. “They were all floating together and she let go and there was no response from her.”
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140113_Health_Director_Loretta_Fuddy_died_of_cardiac_arrhythimia.html?id=240014161

“Emotional stress as a trigger in sudden cardiac death.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18827773


43 posted on 04/01/2014 12:00:53 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: ethical; Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; null and void; maggief; Dog; BP2; Candor7; ...

ping


44 posted on 04/01/2014 3:27:46 PM PDT by bitt (If Obama is really worried about “the children”, he should be bombing planned parenthood.)
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To: Boogieman
The brother of state Health Director Loretta Fuddy said his sister had no heart problems or pre-existing conditions that would have contributed to her death

Yeah, her and Brietbart.

45 posted on 04/01/2014 3:35:15 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Well, I’d say the same for Breitbart that I said about Fuddy. You could just look at the guy and tell he was at a high risk for heart disease. Not having a “pre-existing condition” doesn’t mean you are not in a high risk group.


46 posted on 04/01/2014 3:48:03 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: bigdaddy45

What if each of the passengers had somebody extra in the water tasked with keeping them safe - like they do in a movie shoot?


47 posted on 04/01/2014 4:12:37 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: ethical

I’m too swamped to bother with the ministers of disinformation here. They’re all going to ignore the point of this article, which is a very good one: the coroner speaks like an apologist for what he/she DIDN’T find, not a scientific presenter of what was actually found.

The fact is the coroner found no cause of death so should have just said they don’t know what the cause of death was. Instead, they tried to sell everybody on the death being natural, absent evidence of what the cause of death was.

This is not a scientific analysis of evidence, it is sheer psychological speculation. It’s no wonder they are illegally hiding this record from civilians but giving access to the same liars in the media who have been doing cover for this lawless regime all along.

Those are the critical points from the article - and very, very good points - but don’t expect those to be addressed by the clown section here or anywhere else. Alinsky trumps evidence, every time, in places where the clowns run wild.


48 posted on 04/01/2014 4:26:27 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: bitt

Interesting viewpoints brought out on this issue. Seems rather convincing to me that she did not die of natural causes, such as a heart attack.


49 posted on 04/01/2014 5:33:17 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


50 posted on 04/01/2014 6:43:44 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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