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U.S. Supreme Court Gives Broad Reading to Federal Firearm Prohibition for "Domestic Violence"
NRA-ILA ^ | March 28, 2014 | NA

Posted on 03/31/2014 2:54:44 PM PDT by neverdem

Since 1996, the so-called "Lautenberg Amendment" (named for its sponsor, Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)), has banned the acquisition or possession of firearms by anyone convicted of a "misdemeanor crime of domestic violence." Applicable crimes are limited to those that have "as an element, the use or attempted use of physical force, or the threatened use of a deadly weapon" and that are committed by persons with a specified relationship to the victim, such as a current or former spouse or a parent. The prohibition applies no matter when the offense occurred and can include convictions that predated the 1996 law.

Over the years, federal appellate courts have differed on what degree of "physical force" is necessary to trigger the disability. Questions have also arisen over whether a conviction could count if it occurred under a statute that covered both acts requiring force and those that did not (such as simply scaring the victim). Thanks to the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling last Wednesday in United States v. Castleman(PDF), one of these questions has now been resolved in a way that gives the federal prohibition its broadest possible reading.

James Alvin Castleman was convicted in Tennessee of "having intentionally or knowingly caused bodily injury" to his child's mother. The statute in question could be violated in three separate ways: (1) intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causing bodily injury to another; (2) intentionally or knowingly causing another reasonably to fear imminent bodily injury; or (3) intentionally or knowingly causing physical contact with another in a manner that a reasonable person would regard as extremely offensive or provocative (whether or not injury resulted). The "injury" requirement of the first offense type was broadly defined to include a cut, abrasion, bruise, burn, disfigurement, physical pain, or temporary impairment of a bodily member, organ, or mental faculty. Thus, the statute could be violated with no physical force whatsoever or very minor, non-injurious physical force.

Castleman claimed that his conviction did not trigger the federal disability, because Congress only meant to prohibit those convicted of domestic violence. Thus, he claimed, the only statutes that could count were those that could only be violated by committing violent (or more than nominal) physical force. A statute that could be violated by mere offensive touching (pushing, shoving, poking, grabbing, etc.) should not count.

The Court disagreed and found that as long as the statute required some degree of offensive physical contact for a violation to occur, a conviction under that statute would trigger the federal disability. It did not, however, reach the question of whether broad statutes like Tennessee's, which could be violated with or without force, would always be counted. This was because Castleman had admitted he was convicted under the most demanding test of the statute, that requiring actual physical injury. The Court reasoned that any injury, no matter how slight, must require the use of at least some "physical force."

The Court provided a number of rationales for its holding. It reasoned, for example, that that "domestic violence" is not violence in the commonly understood sense but in the broader sense of an accumulation of acts over time that established one person's control over another. Thus, it could include not just injurious abuse but more minor physical acts including hitting, slapping, shoving, pushing, grabbing, pinching, scratching, shaking, twisting, spitting, or restraining. The Court acknowledged that "most physical assaults committed against women and men by intimates are minor …." Nevertheless, it also opined, "If a seemingly minor act like this draws the attention of authorities and leads to a successful pros­ecution for a misdemeanor offense, it does not offend common sense or the English language to characterize the resulting conviction as a 'misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.'"

Importantly, the Court did not resolve the important question of whether so broad an application of the statute (and the resulting lifetime loss of the right to acquire and possess firearms) would violate the Second Amendment. Essentially, it ruled that question was not properly before it and would have to be resolved in another case.

Besides applying to a broader range of convictions in the future, this ruling also means that prior convictions will become subject to the new rule in those jurisdictions that had embraced a narrower reading of the federal statute. Federally licensed dealers are thus being notified that some customers who had formerly passed NICS checks may now be subject to denials.

The Court's interpretation of the statute is final and authoritative. It can now only be changed by Congress. Whether that will happen or whether a Second Amendment challenge will be brought to a broad application of the statute are questions only time will tell.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: awb; banglist; divorce; lautenbergamendment; mensrights; scotus; vawa
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1 posted on 03/31/2014 2:54:44 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Since almost all such charges are filed against men, isn’t this discriminatory?


2 posted on 03/31/2014 2:56:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: neverdem

...”the People’s right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...”


3 posted on 03/31/2014 2:56:27 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: faithhopecharity

People will still get guns no matter what.


4 posted on 03/31/2014 2:59:14 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: neverdem

It’s really good to be single.


5 posted on 03/31/2014 3:00:27 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

“It’s really good to be single.”

That doesn’t insulate you from a claim. Watch your back, always.


6 posted on 03/31/2014 3:03:29 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: neverdem

Insane....


7 posted on 03/31/2014 3:06:18 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: chris37

The violence was against ‘the mother of his child,’ so apparently he’s ‘single.’


8 posted on 03/31/2014 3:07:34 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: neverdem

The only people who shouldn’t be able to own a gun are those who are incarcerated. If a person is too dangerous to have the means of self defense, they are too dangerous to be out on the streets. Period.


9 posted on 03/31/2014 3:15:27 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: neverdem

I smell big rats with this one.

In 1994, congress passed the “Violence Against Women Act”, which *federalized* domestic violence laws in some cases. Then they immediately, and two years later, made changes to the federal gun control law outlawing possession of guns by those convicted by VAWA.

This suggests that it may have been done as a backdoor form of gun control.

More details:

http://www.justice.gov/usao/gan/documents/federallaws.pdf

So the way out of this federal sneak might be found at the state level, in *renaming* domestic abuse laws, to make them again state law only. Likely keeping the existing laws on the books, but making it clear that they are not to be enforced.


10 posted on 03/31/2014 3:27:55 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: neverdem

Don’t ever marry anyone that you may have to beat up.


11 posted on 03/31/2014 3:30:38 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: faithhopecharity
”the People’s right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...”*

* Unless the government doesn't want you to bear arms.

You probably didn't see the asterisk because you were looking at an old copy of the Constitution instead of the New and Improved Constitution.™

In the New and Improved Constitution™ you will find the "you can't bear arms if the government doesn't want you to" clause just after the "Freedom from Religion" clause and before the "Right to Homosexual Sodomy" provision.

Most of the newly discovered "rights" are in the "Penumbras formed by Emanations" Article.

12 posted on 03/31/2014 3:38:16 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Sorry I was behind in my reading.


13 posted on 03/31/2014 3:40:44 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: George from New England

Well that is true, we can just ask George Zimmerman about that.

But when I say single, I mean really single.

Like, I just ain’t even playing the game, and haven’t been for a very long time and really do not intend to in the future.


14 posted on 03/31/2014 3:42:58 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: EDINVA

Posted this to another reply to me in this thread, but it applies here too:

“But when I say single, I mean really single.

Like, I just ain’t even playing the game, and haven’t been for a very long time and really do not intend to in the future.”


15 posted on 03/31/2014 3:43:48 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Hugin

We conditionally release a lot of people early, under conditions, for instance not letting a child molester child model agent, go back to that same job, or a CPA con man go back to being a CPA, or a drug cartel enforcer/hit man go back to immediately reacquiring and carrying the tools of his trade.


16 posted on 03/31/2014 3:55:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Infringed. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

17 posted on 03/31/2014 4:17:16 PM PDT by DaveyB ("When injustice becomes the law; rebellion becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: DaveyB

lol............


18 posted on 03/31/2014 4:18:13 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The disparate impact should invalidate the law.


19 posted on 03/31/2014 4:18:58 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: ansel12

Self defense is a fundamental human right, unlike say, accounting or being a model agent. If a person is too dangerous to be allowed to defend themselves, they shouldn’t be allowed out. And a drug cartel enforcer will get a gun if he wants one.


20 posted on 03/31/2014 4:24:34 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: neverdem; Lurking Libertarian; Perdogg; JDW11235; Clairity; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; GregNH; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

21 posted on 03/31/2014 4:26:32 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: ansel12

PS. Gang enforcers and child rapists are great examples of people who should never be let out.


22 posted on 03/31/2014 4:29:30 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Hugin

Like a lot of silly statements, your little bumper sticker slogan is meaningless.

Having a 100% either total release, or no release, is silly.

I wonder if you have closely known a lot of violent felons in your private life, they tend to have issues, including temper, and impulse issues, it is how they get convicted of felony attempts to kill and maim, and while we have to take risks to avoid holding them forever, we can try to minimize those risks, by keeping them away from conditions we think can make the risk of releasing them early, less risky, whether it is guns, freedom of association, and other things.


23 posted on 03/31/2014 4:36:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: neverdem

This means moslem men can`t have guns.


24 posted on 03/31/2014 4:37:05 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Hugin

Charges that stick and the level of convictions, may interfere with your plan of ironclad, mandatory sentences.


25 posted on 03/31/2014 4:39:33 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
I wonder if you have closely known a lot of violent felons in your private life, they tend to have issues, including temper, and impulse issues, it is how they get convicted of felony attempts to kill and maim, and while we have to take risks to avoid holding them forever, we can try to minimize those risks, by keeping them away from conditions we think can make the risk of releasing them early, less risky, whether it is guns, freedom of association, and other things.

Violent felons are one thing, the topic of this thread is that gun rights can now be taken away for NON-felony offenses, like even getting into a yelling argument.

26 posted on 03/31/2014 4:45:26 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

You should read the thread before you post, at least read the post that I was responding to, it included violent felons.

Post 9 described either in, or out of prison, no in between.


27 posted on 03/31/2014 4:50:52 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Well, given the statute in the article above and it's really broad meaning, they could modify the VAWA to include the 'temporary damage' to the woman's genitalia from giving birth to apply to everyone who has been born in a natural birth… the scar from a cesarean is also proof of damage to a woman.

This would then make everyone a violator, and therefore prohibited from firearms.

28 posted on 03/31/2014 4:50:53 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: DaveyB

Infringed —

Is that someone wearing a leather jacket with slitted decorative tassels on the sleeves?

Sounds kind of gay.


29 posted on 03/31/2014 4:53:09 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob ("The Pen" has a nice ring to it, kind of like "Graybar Hotel")
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To: Bubba_Leroy
The revised 2nd Amendment

Possession of arms being necessary and vital for the Federal Government to exercise it's sovereign authority over it's citizens,the right of the Federal Government shall along with it's designated agents and authorized government subsidiaries ability to have sole monopoly of arms shall not be infringed.

30 posted on 03/31/2014 5:04:53 PM PDT by bonehead4freedom
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To: neverdem; All
The 2nd Amendment is clearly not a delegation of power to the federal government to regulate firearms. And the main constitutional clauses which the states made which expressly grant the feds legislative control over a geographical area are Clauses 7 & 17 of Section 8 of Article I which deal mainly with postal, military and needful buildings, and the 5th Amendment's eminent domain clause, two of the referenced statutes requiring Congress to buy the land in question.

Otherwise, note that modern federal gun regulations for civilians seem to have originated from the time of Constitution-ignoring socialist FDR.

Franklin Roosevelt: The Father of Gun Control

And since most of us were born into the unconstitutionally big federal government chaos created by FDR, I think that we tend to mistakenly think that all federal laws are constitutional, as opposed to being suspicious of constitutionally indefensible federal laws made by corrupt federal lawmakers.

Again, ignoring the 2nd Amendment for the reason previously stated, what constitutional clause(s) are reasonably construed as a delegation of power to Congress to regulate firearms on property not owned by the federal government in contrast to the federal properties indicated in Clauses 7 & 17 of Section 8 of Article I and the 5th Amendment? I cannot find any. Corrections welcome.

Note that delegated constitutional powers are extremely important, particularly where our 2nd Amendment protections are concerned. This is because the Supreme Court has historically clarified that the 10th Amendment is reasonably construed as indicating that powers not expressly delegated to the federal government via the Constitution are prohibited.

”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited (emphasis added). None to regulate agricultural production is given, and therefore legislation by Congress for that purpose is forbidden.” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
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31 posted on 03/31/2014 5:17:32 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: ansel12

Do we let them have knives? Baseball bats? Automobiles? Cans of gasoline?

One of the greatest mass-murders in the history of this country was committed with a can of gasoline and a match.


32 posted on 03/31/2014 5:23:05 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: neverdem

Yep. The nine political hacks in black muumuus are weighing in again. Screwing over everyone they can in the process. As usual.


33 posted on 03/31/2014 5:27:39 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Guns SAVE Lives! www.VCDL.org)
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To: DuncanWaring

Oh, well if a a mass killer used gasoline, and a man can be stabbed with a kitchen knife, that just changes everything.


34 posted on 03/31/2014 5:30:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Amendment10

Nice post but it proceeds from an erroneous assumption: that the Constitution matters worth a hill of beans to the kakistocracy.


35 posted on 03/31/2014 5:30:32 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Guns SAVE Lives! www.VCDL.org)
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To: ansel12

Do you have an alternate version of that that makes sense?


36 posted on 03/31/2014 5:34:28 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

I was mocking your lame argument to remove guns from consideration of early release and probation for violent felons.


37 posted on 03/31/2014 5:36:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: DuncanWaring
Do we let them have knives? Baseball bats? Automobiles? Cans of gasoline?

Exactly right. A belt can do great harm. So they should ban possession of belts. Same goes for hammers and bottles. Of course the Constitution makes no statement regarding our right to bear belts, hammers and bottles; hence the focus on removing our stated rights, namely arms. It's all about making the Constitution irrelevant.

38 posted on 03/31/2014 5:50:55 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: ansel12

If a convicted felon can’t be trusted with a gun, then they can’t be trusted with a knife or any other weapon, and shouldn’t be walking around free.


39 posted on 03/31/2014 5:59:54 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Gee, you just repeated the post I was responding to, post 9, thanks for starting all over again.


40 posted on 03/31/2014 6:01:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: EDINVA

Single or fooled around


41 posted on 03/31/2014 6:02:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ansel12

Two can play the game of “just because.” Like the way it feels?


42 posted on 03/31/2014 6:07:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: chris37
Like, I just ain’t even playing the game, and haven’t been for a very long time and really do not intend to in the future.

All good I guess, but Rosie is a poor conversationalist.

43 posted on 03/31/2014 6:12:04 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: chris37

Household associates of any kind would apply. Even a sibling, or a butler.


44 posted on 03/31/2014 6:15:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: MileHi

How the “bloom” did we get to be speaking about Rosie?


45 posted on 03/31/2014 6:16:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Just sayin’ I likes the wymen, and that has always been risky. But I am lucky, my boss is a peach.

You know, bro...

46 posted on 03/31/2014 6:37:06 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; All

Who on the NINE SUPREMES voted for this ruling?


47 posted on 03/31/2014 6:45:42 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf; Lurking Libertarian
The defendant's misdemeanor conviction was under a Tennessee law which required "physical harm" to the victim, which was why even Scalia (who reads the federal statute more narrowly than the majority) was OK with saying he can't possess a gun. What surprised me was the Alito-Thomas concurrence, which says even a slap would be enough. But they tend to read statutes literally.

7 posted on 3/26/2014, 2:43:17 PM by Lurking Libertarian

The opinion is here.
48 posted on 03/31/2014 7:09:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Just me and my dog.

I am blessed with peace of mind. Sad to see that is how it has come to be in this world of 7 billion people.

I find I don’t really want to be around any of them. Even my own brother is in Colorado, and I’m just fine with that.


49 posted on 03/31/2014 7:18:43 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

Cruelty to animals wouldn’t count


50 posted on 03/31/2014 7:20:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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