Skip to comments.Now U.S. copper mines under attack
Posted on 03/31/2014 7:22:43 PM PDT by DannyTN
80 billion lbs. of metal could 'wipe out American import dependency'
On the heels of the Obama administration clamping down on oil and gas exploration and President Obama declaring what many consider to be a war on coal, environmental groups are now urging the government to deny exploration of the worlds largest known copper reserve before the permitting process even begins.
... When a mining project goes into the permitting process, there are local avenues for some of the permits; there are state avenues for some of the permits and federal as well, McGroarty said. So its multi-layered, and it takes an average of seven to 10 years for a mine to get through that process once begun. I have looked at Pebble, and my understanding is that they would require upward of 60 different types of permits from the state, local and federal levels. So there would be an enormous amount of scrutiny put on the mine plan.
What some of the environmental groups are saying is they dont want that process to even begin. ...
McGroarty said if the EPA starts down this road, the economic impact on this nation could be immense.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
This article outlines a new abusive method to stop mining from ever even entering a permitting process.
The fact that there are over 60 permits required by various local/state/Federal agencies and a 7 to 10 year process to open a mine is ridiculous.
The federal EPA needs to be disbanded. It's federal government overreach into States powers.
imagine eating only grubs and berries, living in a mud hut, wearing feathers, and singing “Ain’t this just a paradise ?”
that’s what these Aholes have in mind for us.....IF WE ALLOW IT !
The EPA is the fourth branch of government.
I'd hold out for a Teepee with a ring of rocks on a bluff.
Isn’t it ironic that George H. (Bush I) styled himself as the “environmental president?” Concern for the environment is one thing, today’s EPA as an instrument of political control is another. We’ve come a long way, baby, in only 20 years.
If pollution didn't cross state lines, I'd agree with you. But it does, and that means some of it needs to be dealt with at a federal level.
This mine only affects Alaska, unless water runnoff would affect Canada or the oceans. So maybe that's one of the checks that needs to be put in. That the pollution regulated by the EPA must be shown to cross state lines, or of the kind that would be expected to cross state lines. And then it should be subjected to judiciary review, not administrative court review. Administrative courts too often get cozy with the agency they are supposed to have oversight of.
We are probably the only nation in the history of the world that could discover a resource within its territory that would benefit each and every citizen, and a good number of its people will try like hell to NOT put it to good use....
We’re just incalculably STUPID!!!
Another good example of this is the Keystone XL pipeline issue. The Obama administration isn't opposed to Keystone XL on environmental grounds. It's blocking the construction of the pipeline because the railroad industry (including the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad, which is wholly owned by Warren Buffett) is moving crude oil all over North America.
The Rats won’t be in power forever.
You all know there is a way to stop the environmental groups without firing a shot? It is simple and powerful and the most useful tool to shut down the left.
It’s called a lawsuit. And another lawsuit. And another lawsuit. It was telegraphed during Sarah Palin’s time as Governor. It’s a tactic of the left.
But more importantly, it was a strategic move by Ronald Reagan against the Soviets. Bankrupt them. Force them to defend themselves. Sue them. Then sue them again. Best of all, right now we have the country on our side. High gas prices, high food prices can be tagged on the environmental movement.
It is time we start treating them like the POS Marxists they truly are.
"It is very certain that [the Commerce Clause] grew out of the abuse of the power by the importing States in taxing the non-importing, and was intended as a negative and preventive provision against injustice among the States themselves, rather than as a power to be used for the positive purposes of the General Government."
James Madison to Joseph Cabell
The leadership of the EPA, for the most part, esp. the political appointees, are beyond salvaging. Honest employees are lower down on the food chain.
Carol Browner - socialist, International Socialists organization
Lisa Jackson (just resigned recently), Browner’s protege’ and rabid marxist
Gina McCarthy- present EPA administrator. I’m afraid of her. Very extreme and possibly a back alley fighter.
There are some very good EPA programs and some that are designed by marxists to cripple our economic system in the name of snail darter fish. There are also some leftist judges who are helping them.
Meanwhile people can’t get jobs, the Red China have a vise on our nuts vis-a-vis “rare earth” minerals necessary for national defense, among other things, and Russia will probably make another attempt to become the number one supplier of Gold and some other precious metals badly needed by the electronics industry, among others.
Some environmental groups are legit; some are far-left marxists and eco-wackos. The Left opposes everything no matter how good or bad it is. Their goal is to destroy our economy, not improve it. Sierra Club has gone far left. Natural Resources Defense Fund has always been left. Same with EarthWatch, Environmental Action Fund/Foundation, and elements within the National Wildlife Federation (which my wife once worked for). The Center for Biological Diversity is the arch-type of the “neo-progressives” organization - well funded, educated staff (not necessarily smart staff), and dedicated to “environment uber alles”.
You’d be surprised at how many leftist groups there are concerning the environment. They Left got smart in the late 80’s/early 90’s. They seized on the “Green Movement” and got control of a significant portion of it, and the foundations money that came with it.
We are talking tens of millions of dollars, or more. They are a well funded marxist/progressive/liberal army, like the jungle ants of Brazil, marching over everything in their way.
The EPA is both their friend and their enemy, but they often sue the EPA in order to get “friendly decisions” in which they are paid large settlement accounts including attorneys’ fees. Big scam operation which needs immediate House congressional hearings.
Congress is NOT going to “put checks and balances on the EPA” until it recognizes that the EPA is the “enemy” of our economic system, not necessarily the savior of it.
Defunding some of its operations will partially cripple it. Investigations might expose the marxist principles its leaders follow. Only “regime change” at the White House level is going to “reform” the EPA by cleaning out the reds and putting in some rational scientists who can balance the environment and the economy.
Don’t hold you hat for that day to come soon. Nov. 2014 elections might be the start of EPA reform but Nov. 2016 is the big enchilada, winner take all.
40,000 people or more out of work in the San Joaquin Valley farming mecca because the EPA and California reds won’t give them water while the snail darter fish is held up as a god to be worshipped by the GAIA for Lunch Bunch.
a) Weakens America/AmericansI have yet to have anyone raise a single substantive counter example in several years of posting this.
b) Distances America's allies
c) Strengthens America's enemies
d) Serves Islam
e) Harms Israel
Or some combination of the above.
So instead of mining and using our own resources, we prohibit it’s extraction or ship it off elsewhere (like our oil and coal)?
Damned straight. ‘Campfires and caves’.....while they laugh all the way to the bank.
“Brother, you asked for it!”
My plan would be, since the EPA gets on these jags as a result of “scouts” out in the field, let’s make the whole agency all-volunteer. Cut the budget to zero. Well, OK, they could make some photocopies.
Shame, you want to be ‘elite’.
Were just incalculably STUPID!!!
And capable of committing serial suicide.
It’s not the environment.
It’s about destroying the American economy.
It's a privately restored and maintained example near Cleo Springs, OK -- in the Cherokee Strip.
It's now under roof in a large shed, to keep it out of the weather. It's fully furnished and appointed -- complete with glass windows, as in the photo. Even drapes. The furniture was obviously manufactured back east and probably purchased via catalogue. There was nothing rough-hewn or remotely "home-made".
But it sat on a dirt floor. The people who lived there spent a lot of time -- and money -- making their sod home a comfortable, even stylish, place to raise a family.
Well worth the price of admission and a couple of hours time.
There's Mud huts and then are Mud huts....
the real problem with environmental issues and the EPA is we have an agency who is controlling us and lmposing an agenda by “regulations”.
where is that in the constitution ?
Those of us who are real environmentalists want clean air and water. And I expect government at some level to enforce standards so offenders are not able to dump ridiculous amounts of pollutants into the air and water. So I don’t fall into the camp of anything goes. I’ll let others quibble over where the function exists.
Unfortunately the environmentalist movement was hijacked long ago by kooks. The current EPA is out of control and now just contains leftist political hacks. It needs to be stopped.
No, it is the fifth column.
If you can’t grow it or harvest it you must mine it.
Too bad our “leaders” don’t know that.
If the environmentalist REALLY cared about Mother Earth they would relax the rules a little bit, and promote mining in America.
Instead it is done in third-world countries where there are very few (if any) environmental rules, no worker safety laws, no regard for the local people, etc.
I love the snail darter. The snail darter is vital and essential to my life.
I like them lightly sauteed in butter with a bit of fresh Cilantro salt and pepper. Wash them down with a glass of Chardonnay. Repeat as necessary to achieve gastronomical perfection.
BINGO CORRECTO !
My aunts and uncles told of growing up, first in a dugout, then in a soddy.
My grandchildren, of course, simply can't imagine such a thing.
How far we've come, how much we've lost, yet how much we've gained over the course of a few generations.
Let’s regulate the actual resources that the EPA it’s self uses ?
Agreed. Let the states regulate air & water, the Feds referee disputes, and the 10th be restored.
I’ll pee in your tea and live in a 1st class home myself!
“The Rats wont be in power forever.”
That is absolutely correct, one way or another they will be done for. See my tag line.
the rinos will be next. no difference for us, they do nothing for us.
Wonder how the miners at Silver City NM will feel as they voted for the “O”.
But the bureaucrats in the EPA will.
That’s the problem.
the railroad industry (including the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad, which is wholly owned by Warren Buffett)
BNSF is a publicly held company, through Berkshire Hathaway B shares.
thats what these Aholes have in mind for us....
If pollution didn’t cross state lines, I’d agree with you. But it does, and that means some of it needs to be dealt with at a federal level.
The proposed mine is in the Bristol Bay, Alaska watershed - while that means virtually nothing to most FRers, the watershed is the home of the last remaining largest run of Sockeye (Red) salmon in the world - the largest was the Columbia River run which was destroyed by the Columbia River dams in the 1940s - the only people to protest and predict the outcome were the commercial fishermen who caught the salmon. Today, millions of Federal tax dollars are spent on a semi-fruitless effort to barge the remaining fry around those same dams and to create bypasses to allow adults to get up river.
No matter what some mining company proposes to prevent highly toxic waste water spills, or what permits it obtains will guarantee that no spill will occur. One small accidental spill would be enough to decimate the runs to the rivers.
As a former commercial fisherman who fished Bristol Bay, I can testify that any mine in the watershed would spell the end of its lucrative salmon fishery. The land is very fragile and in a very geologically active area. So would you chose the destruction of the salmon runs, the destruction of an historic and lucrative fishery over the production of copper?
Keep in mind while you decide that the most productive farmland in the US has either now been paved over - New Jersey, Washington State, and lately the man-made drought in the San Joaquin Valley, CA, the third largest Sockeye run to the Frazier River, Vancouver, Canada destroyed by a landslide while building a railroad (that run was recovered by the financial sacrifice of US and Canadian commercial Sockeye fisherman over 50 years - something that would not happen today in the same situation),
Is the production of minerals more important than the access to cheap, healthy food? The food on your grocer's shelves does not grow in cans nor appear fully formed in packages. Is your preference to eat food grown or caught in China or some other country? Does crunching down on copper ore give you a satisfying meal?
“It’s federal government overreach into States powers.”
It’s more than that. The EPA is a corrupt and criminal arm of the executive branch that illegally writes legislation. The fact that the Congress allows this illegal usurpation of its law-making power tells us all we need to know about the federal legislature - that it, too, is criminal and corrupt.
Giving any bureaucracy law-making power is a violation of the Constitution.
What the EPA did in Rapanos v US was enough for me to justify the arrest of these neo-fascist EPA goons for sedition.
Apparently people will allow it. Most of white America is devoted to a life of eating, drinking, drugging, copulating, evacuating the bowels, snoring and attending The Games.” The Third World is of course busy finishing their conquest and starting the sack.(The roving mobs in Kentucky come to mind.)