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Now U.S. copper mines under attack
WND.com ^ | 07/13/2013 | WND Radio

Posted on 03/31/2014 7:22:43 PM PDT by DannyTN

80 billion lbs. of metal could 'wipe out American import dependency'

On the heels of the Obama administration clamping down on oil and gas exploration and President Obama declaring what many consider to be a war on coal, environmental groups are now urging the government to deny exploration of the world’s largest known copper reserve before the permitting process even begins.

... “When a mining project goes into the permitting process, there are local avenues for some of the permits; there are state avenues for some of the permits and federal as well,” McGroarty said. “So it’s multi-layered, and it takes an average of seven to 10 years for a mine to get through that process once begun. I have looked at Pebble, and my understanding is that they would require upward of 60 different types of permits from the state, local and federal levels. So there would be an enormous amount of scrutiny put on the mine plan.

“What some of the environmental groups are saying is they don’t want that process to even begin. ...

McGroarty said if the EPA starts down this road, the economic impact on this nation could be immense.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: copper; epa
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I know many freepers are vehemently anti-epa. I think Congress simply needs to put checks and balances on the EPA to keep it from being abusive.

This article outlines a new abusive method to stop mining from ever even entering a permitting process.

The fact that there are over 60 permits required by various local/state/Federal agencies and a 7 to 10 year process to open a mine is ridiculous.

1 posted on 03/31/2014 7:22:43 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Environmental protection is legitimately a police power of the States. And every state has an environmental agency.

The federal EPA needs to be disbanded. It's federal government overreach into States powers.

/johnny

2 posted on 03/31/2014 7:25:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DannyTN

imagine eating only grubs and berries, living in a mud hut, wearing feathers, and singing “Ain’t this just a paradise ?”

that’s what these Aholes have in mind for us.....IF WE ALLOW IT !


3 posted on 03/31/2014 7:26:13 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: DannyTN

The EPA is the fourth branch of government.


4 posted on 03/31/2014 7:27:31 PM PDT by umgud
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To: kingattax
"living in a mud hut"

I'd hold out for a Teepee with a ring of rocks on a bluff.

5 posted on 03/31/2014 7:28:46 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: JRandomFreeper

Isn’t it ironic that George H. (Bush I) styled himself as the “environmental president?” Concern for the environment is one thing, today’s EPA as an instrument of political control is another. We’ve come a long way, baby, in only 20 years.


6 posted on 03/31/2014 7:29:50 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: JRandomFreeper
"The federal EPA needs to be disbanded. It's federal government overreach into States powers."

If pollution didn't cross state lines, I'd agree with you. But it does, and that means some of it needs to be dealt with at a federal level.

This mine only affects Alaska, unless water runnoff would affect Canada or the oceans. So maybe that's one of the checks that needs to be put in. That the pollution regulated by the EPA must be shown to cross state lines, or of the kind that would be expected to cross state lines. And then it should be subjected to judiciary review, not administrative court review. Administrative courts too often get cozy with the agency they are supposed to have oversight of.

7 posted on 03/31/2014 7:30:13 PM PDT by DannyTN ( .)
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To: DannyTN
When the EPA was created, smog blotted out the sun, rivers were catching on fire, and the bald eagle was just about extinct. People were rightly concerned about these things and wanted something done. Today, they have gone far beyond that charter. They are staffed by zealots who have declared war on the Industrial Revolution. A good reining in and cleaning out is in order.
8 posted on 03/31/2014 7:33:47 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: kingattax

We are probably the only nation in the history of the world that could discover a resource within its territory that would benefit each and every citizen, and a good number of its people will try like hell to NOT put it to good use....

We’re just incalculably STUPID!!!


9 posted on 03/31/2014 7:34:55 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: DannyTN
The dirty little secret of the EPA is that many (probably most) of its policy decisions have nothing to do with protecting the environment. In a case like this, you'll probably find that some industry that produces alternative materials to copper has lobbied heavily in Washington to get these stupid regulations in place.

Another good example of this is the Keystone XL pipeline issue. The Obama administration isn't opposed to Keystone XL on environmental grounds. It's blocking the construction of the pipeline because the railroad industry (including the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad, which is wholly owned by Warren Buffett) is moving crude oil all over North America.

10 posted on 03/31/2014 7:35:46 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: DannyTN

The Rats won’t be in power forever.


11 posted on 03/31/2014 7:35:58 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: DannyTN

You all know there is a way to stop the environmental groups without firing a shot? It is simple and powerful and the most useful tool to shut down the left.

It’s called a lawsuit. And another lawsuit. And another lawsuit. It was telegraphed during Sarah Palin’s time as Governor. It’s a tactic of the left.

But more importantly, it was a strategic move by Ronald Reagan against the Soviets. Bankrupt them. Force them to defend themselves. Sue them. Then sue them again. Best of all, right now we have the country on our side. High gas prices, high food prices can be tagged on the environmental movement.

It is time we start treating them like the POS Marxists they truly are.


12 posted on 03/31/2014 7:36:33 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: DannyTN
James Madison would agree with that, I think:

"It is very certain that [the Commerce Clause] grew out of the abuse of the power by the importing States in taxing the non-importing, and was intended as a negative and preventive provision against injustice among the States themselves, rather than as a power to be used for the positive purposes of the General Government."

James Madison to Joseph Cabell

13 posted on 03/31/2014 7:36:46 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: DannyTN

The leadership of the EPA, for the most part, esp. the political appointees, are beyond salvaging. Honest employees are lower down on the food chain.

Carol Browner - socialist, International Socialists organization
Lisa Jackson (just resigned recently), Browner’s protege’ and rabid marxist
Gina McCarthy- present EPA administrator. I’m afraid of her. Very extreme and possibly a back alley fighter.

There are some very good EPA programs and some that are designed by marxists to cripple our economic system in the name of snail darter fish. There are also some leftist judges who are helping them.

Meanwhile people can’t get jobs, the Red China have a vise on our nuts vis-a-vis “rare earth” minerals necessary for national defense, among other things, and Russia will probably make another attempt to become the number one supplier of Gold and some other precious metals badly needed by the electronics industry, among others.

Some environmental groups are legit; some are far-left marxists and eco-wackos. The Left opposes everything no matter how good or bad it is. Their goal is to destroy our economy, not improve it. Sierra Club has gone far left. Natural Resources Defense Fund has always been left. Same with EarthWatch, Environmental Action Fund/Foundation, and elements within the National Wildlife Federation (which my wife once worked for). The Center for Biological Diversity is the arch-type of the “neo-progressives” organization - well funded, educated staff (not necessarily smart staff), and dedicated to “environment uber alles”.

You’d be surprised at how many leftist groups there are concerning the environment. They Left got smart in the late 80’s/early 90’s. They seized on the “Green Movement” and got control of a significant portion of it, and the foundations money that came with it.

We are talking tens of millions of dollars, or more. They are a well funded marxist/progressive/liberal army, like the jungle ants of Brazil, marching over everything in their way.

The EPA is both their friend and their enemy, but they often sue the EPA in order to get “friendly decisions” in which they are paid large settlement accounts including attorneys’ fees. Big scam operation which needs immediate House congressional hearings.

Congress is NOT going to “put checks and balances on the EPA” until it recognizes that the EPA is the “enemy” of our economic system, not necessarily the savior of it.

Defunding some of its operations will partially cripple it. Investigations might expose the marxist principles its leaders follow. Only “regime change” at the White House level is going to “reform” the EPA by cleaning out the reds and putting in some rational scientists who can balance the environment and the economy.

Don’t hold you hat for that day to come soon. Nov. 2014 elections might be the start of EPA reform but Nov. 2016 is the big enchilada, winner take all.

40,000 people or more out of work in the San Joaquin Valley farming mecca because the EPA and California reds won’t give them water while the snail darter fish is held up as a god to be worshipped by the GAIA for Lunch Bunch.


14 posted on 03/31/2014 7:39:31 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: DannyTN
This is an example of what the socialist, grievance industry has done to domestic mining projects. This mine could have settled the problem of imported copper and provide 5,000 jobs eventually. I'm following this in part because this is the town I was born in and the mine I first went to work in at age 18. It was a good start that is no longer available to entry level and skilled workers alike. What the hell, ain't welfare grand. Not so tiring anyhow.
15 posted on 03/31/2014 7:40:41 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: DannyTN
EVERYTHING obama does either:
a) Weakens America/Americans
b) Distances America's allies
c) Strengthens America's enemies
d) Serves Islam
e) Harms Israel
Or some combination of the above.
I have yet to have anyone raise a single substantive counter example in several years of posting this.

a, c...

16 posted on 03/31/2014 7:41:47 PM PDT by null and void ( Everything evil in the world may not be Islamic but everything Islamic is evil.)
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To: DannyTN

So instead of mining and using our own resources, we prohibit it’s extraction or ship it off elsewhere (like our oil and coal)?


17 posted on 03/31/2014 7:43:37 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: kingattax

Damned straight. ‘Campfires and caves’.....while they laugh all the way to the bank.


18 posted on 03/31/2014 7:44:17 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: DannyTN
Another high demand natural resource that the global left wants to keep in the ground until the constitutional United States collapses. Then the global left will exploit the resources for their own benefit.

-PJ

19 posted on 03/31/2014 7:46:10 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: DannyTN

“Brother, you asked for it!”


20 posted on 03/31/2014 7:46:59 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

My plan would be, since the EPA gets on these jags as a result of “scouts” out in the field, let’s make the whole agency all-volunteer. Cut the budget to zero. Well, OK, they could make some photocopies.


21 posted on 03/31/2014 7:47:09 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Paladin2

Shame, you want to be ‘elite’.


22 posted on 03/31/2014 7:49:01 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob ("The Pen" has a nice ring to it, kind of like "Graybar Hotel")
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To: Scrambler Bob
Is a "Mud Hut" different from a "Soddy"?


23 posted on 03/31/2014 7:53:42 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: KoRn

We’re just incalculably STUPID!!!

And capable of committing serial suicide.


24 posted on 03/31/2014 7:54:25 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob ("The Pen" has a nice ring to it, kind of like "Graybar Hotel")
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To: DannyTN

It’s not the environment.

It’s about destroying the American economy.


25 posted on 03/31/2014 8:01:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Paladin2
So far as I know, there is only one "soddy" still intact in the USA.

It's a privately restored and maintained example near Cleo Springs, OK -- in the Cherokee Strip.

It's now under roof in a large shed, to keep it out of the weather. It's fully furnished and appointed -- complete with glass windows, as in the photo. Even drapes. The furniture was obviously manufactured back east and probably purchased via catalogue. There was nothing rough-hewn or remotely "home-made".

But it sat on a dirt floor. The people who lived there spent a lot of time -- and money -- making their sod home a comfortable, even stylish, place to raise a family.

Well worth the price of admission and a couple of hours time.

26 posted on 03/31/2014 8:12:49 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
A more recent subset of my ancestors drove us out to the pasture in the Packard (back in the not as Distant Days) to drive the cows home for the day and showed us the depression where the initial (Soddy) Homesteaded "house" used to be Back In The Day.

There's Mud huts and then are Mud huts....

27 posted on 03/31/2014 8:20:56 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: DannyTN

the real problem with environmental issues and the EPA is we have an agency who is controlling us and lmposing an agenda by “regulations”.

where is that in the constitution ?


28 posted on 03/31/2014 8:26:39 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: DannyTN

Those of us who are real environmentalists want clean air and water. And I expect government at some level to enforce standards so offenders are not able to dump ridiculous amounts of pollutants into the air and water. So I don’t fall into the camp of anything goes. I’ll let others quibble over where the function exists.

Unfortunately the environmentalist movement was hijacked long ago by kooks. The current EPA is out of control and now just contains leftist political hacks. It needs to be stopped.


29 posted on 03/31/2014 8:27:14 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: umgud
The EPA is the fourth branch of government.

No, it is the fifth column.

30 posted on 03/31/2014 8:34:08 PM PDT by cpdiii
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To: DannyTN

If you can’t grow it or harvest it you must mine it.

Too bad our “leaders” don’t know that.


31 posted on 03/31/2014 8:36:39 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: JimSEA

If the environmentalist REALLY cared about Mother Earth they would relax the rules a little bit, and promote mining in America.

Instead it is done in third-world countries where there are very few (if any) environmental rules, no worker safety laws, no regard for the local people, etc.


32 posted on 03/31/2014 8:43:52 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
40,000 people or more out of work in the San Joaquin Valley farming mecca because the EPA and California reds won’t give them water while the snail darter fish is held up as a god to be worshipped by the GAIA for Lunch Bunch.

I love the snail darter. The snail darter is vital and essential to my life.

I like them lightly sauteed in butter with a bit of fresh Cilantro salt and pepper. Wash them down with a glass of Chardonnay. Repeat as necessary to achieve gastronomical perfection.

33 posted on 03/31/2014 8:44:47 PM PDT by cpdiii
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To: Alberta's Child
EPA....

Eternally Penalizing America.
34 posted on 03/31/2014 8:46:22 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Political Junkie Too

BINGO CORRECTO !


35 posted on 03/31/2014 8:48:15 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Paladin2
My grandfathers and their fathers made The Run into the Cherokee Strip in 1893.

My aunts and uncles told of growing up, first in a dugout, then in a soddy.

My grandchildren, of course, simply can't imagine such a thing.

How far we've come, how much we've lost, yet how much we've gained over the course of a few generations.

36 posted on 03/31/2014 8:48:23 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Let’s regulate the actual resources that the EPA it’s self uses ?


37 posted on 03/31/2014 8:49:11 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: JRandomFreeper

Agreed. Let the states regulate air & water, the Feds referee disputes, and the 10th be restored.


38 posted on 03/31/2014 8:49:12 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: okie01
I coulda' been a dugout, with a skip over the Soddy direct to the current stickbuilt.

1874.

39 posted on 03/31/2014 8:53:53 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

I’ll pee in your tea and live in a 1st class home myself!


40 posted on 03/31/2014 8:57:32 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“The Rats won’t be in power forever.”
********************
That is absolutely correct, one way or another they will be done for. See my tag line.


41 posted on 03/31/2014 9:15:39 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

the rinos will be next. no difference for us, they do nothing for us.


42 posted on 03/31/2014 9:36:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: DannyTN

Wonder how the miners at Silver City NM will feel as they voted for the “O”.


43 posted on 03/31/2014 9:42:00 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

But the bureaucrats in the EPA will.
That’s the problem.


44 posted on 03/31/2014 11:01:21 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Alberta's Child

the railroad industry (including the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad, which is wholly owned by Warren Buffett)

BNSF is a publicly held company, through Berkshire Hathaway B shares.


45 posted on 04/01/2014 2:29:34 AM PDT by wita
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To: kingattax

that’s what these Aholes have in mind for us....


You are right.......in mind for us but not themselves.


46 posted on 04/01/2014 3:51:32 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DannyTN

If pollution didn’t cross state lines, I’d agree with you. But it does, and that means some of it needs to be dealt with at a federal level.


I guess that the next thing we will see is VOLCANO CONTROL! Hey, if the liberal fruits think they can control the weather, why not volcanoes?


47 posted on 04/01/2014 3:54:32 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DannyTN
This article seems to be something of a newish trend on FR - posting articles from past years.

The proposed mine is in the Bristol Bay, Alaska watershed - while that means virtually nothing to most FRers, the watershed is the home of the last remaining largest run of Sockeye (Red) salmon in the world - the largest was the Columbia River run which was destroyed by the Columbia River dams in the 1940s - the only people to protest and predict the outcome were the commercial fishermen who caught the salmon. Today, millions of Federal tax dollars are spent on a semi-fruitless effort to barge the remaining fry around those same dams and to create bypasses to allow adults to get up river.

No matter what some mining company proposes to prevent highly toxic waste water spills, or what permits it obtains will guarantee that no spill will occur. One small accidental spill would be enough to decimate the runs to the rivers.

As a former commercial fisherman who fished Bristol Bay, I can testify that any mine in the watershed would spell the end of its lucrative salmon fishery. The land is very fragile and in a very geologically active area. So would you chose the destruction of the salmon runs, the destruction of an historic and lucrative fishery over the production of copper?

Keep in mind while you decide that the most productive farmland in the US has either now been paved over - New Jersey, Washington State, and lately the man-made drought in the San Joaquin Valley, CA, the third largest Sockeye run to the Frazier River, Vancouver, Canada destroyed by a landslide while building a railroad (that run was recovered by the financial sacrifice of US and Canadian commercial Sockeye fisherman over 50 years - something that would not happen today in the same situation),

Is the production of minerals more important than the access to cheap, healthy food? The food on your grocer's shelves does not grow in cans nor appear fully formed in packages. Is your preference to eat food grown or caught in China or some other country? Does crunching down on copper ore give you a satisfying meal?

48 posted on 04/01/2014 4:50:53 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“It’s federal government overreach into States powers.”

It’s more than that. The EPA is a corrupt and criminal arm of the executive branch that illegally writes legislation. The fact that the Congress allows this illegal usurpation of its law-making power tells us all we need to know about the federal legislature - that it, too, is criminal and corrupt.

Giving any bureaucracy law-making power is a violation of the Constitution.

What the EPA did in Rapanos v US was enough for me to justify the arrest of these neo-fascist EPA goons for sedition.


49 posted on 04/01/2014 7:02:59 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: kingattax

Apparently people will allow it. Most of white America is devoted to a life of eating, drinking, drugging, copulating, evacuating the bowels, snoring and attending The Games.” The Third World is of course busy finishing their conquest and starting the sack.(The roving mobs in Kentucky come to mind.)


50 posted on 04/01/2014 7:08:59 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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