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All new cars required to have rear-view cameras by 2018
The Verge ^ | 3-31-14 | Kwame Opam

Posted on 03/31/2014 11:00:37 PM PDT by kingattax

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) issued new regulations today requiring all vehicles weighing under 10,000 pounds to be equipped with rear visibility cameras by May 2018. The new rule is designed to protect pedestrians from vehicles backing up into them, though it has up until now faced numerous delays.

Though carmakers like Honda and Toyota have already begun to outfit their cars with backup cameras, the regulations will apply to all cars, buses, and trucks for the 2019 model year. The NHTSA has been pushing for this rule for years, though a final rule has been delayed five times since 2011. According to the group, the new cameras must provide a 10-foot by 20-foot field of vision directly behind the vehicle — a view that can hopefully reduce the 210 deaths and 15,000 injuries per year caused by backing up.

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when are the American people finally going to stop the regulation and executive order nonsense ?

apparently we need to relearn what "rule of law" means.

1 posted on 03/31/2014 11:00:37 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Gee, I thought that was the purpose of rear view mirrors.


2 posted on 03/31/2014 11:03:37 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: kingattax

here’s therationale. 200 people died by a car in reverse. they claim putting these in cars will cost $150 - so it will be more then - per car, and will save 70 people a year.

so 130 will still die for hundreds of millions of dollars spent adding thisto all newcars.


3 posted on 03/31/2014 11:04:30 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: kingattax
All these gadgets and regulations add up.

The Average American can’t Afford a New Car

A real study for safety would also have to factor in the amount of people who are killed in older cars that fail, whose drivers can't afford a new or newer car, and keep a more dangerous one on the road.

4 posted on 03/31/2014 11:09:43 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: AlexW

Rear view mirrors only allow you to see something maybe 15 or 20 feet behind your car unless it’s as tall as your trunk deck. These let you see something the size of a baseball on the ground immediately behind your car.

I love the cameras themselves. Not being able to decide whether to buy one or not and my fellow Americans not being able to decide either, not so much.


5 posted on 03/31/2014 11:11:27 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: kingattax

So we teach darwinism in school only to teach government “non-intelligent design” in real life daily life?

No wonder we are so screwed up as a people.


6 posted on 03/31/2014 11:12:28 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Still Thinking

Rear view mirrors only allow you to see something maybe 15 or 20 feet behind your car unless it’s as tall as your trunk deck. These let you see something the size of a baseball on the ground immediately behind your car.

I love the cameras themselves. Not being able to decide whether to buy one or not and my fellow Americans not being able to decide either, not so much.


Absolutely agreed. We love having ours, especially because in parking lots, kids sometimes run away from their parents.

That said, it should be a choice, whether to purchase or not.


7 posted on 03/31/2014 11:15:59 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: AlexW

I was under the same impression.


8 posted on 03/31/2014 11:17:22 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: kingattax

“when are the American people finally going to stop the regulation and executive order nonsense ?”

No kidding! It’s a nice feature, but if it’s a good idea (which it is) it should sell itself to the public. We just bought a new Avalanche. It is equipped with a backup camera, and it’s not only a great idea for every day backing up, it’s a godsend when you are hooking up a trailer by yourself. All that said, this is nanny state thinking. You don’t get to choose, the government does it for you. Healthcare, motorcycle helmets, all of it!


9 posted on 03/31/2014 11:18:00 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: kingattax

I have one in my car, but it doesn’t come on right away! Although I try to cultivate the habit of waiting for it, this is largely a losing proposition. I suppose the newer ones will initialize faster, and I should think this would be a point of the law, as long as they’re making one.

Also, even in operation, it has its drawbacks. It is very hard, cognitively, to integrate the backward screen view with the natural visual scan. When I first had it, I narrowly avoided several disasters about to be caused by fascination with the screen. There is even a warning on the screen to look around, although I never understood what it meant until I had my close calls.

All in all, I’m not so sure it’s “The Answer”.


10 posted on 03/31/2014 11:24:17 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: GraceG

There’s a EU push to have GPS in every car sold by 2020.


11 posted on 03/31/2014 11:41:08 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: kingattax

more crap


12 posted on 04/01/2014 12:22:42 AM PDT by Ray76 (Profit from the mistakes of others, you'll never live long enough to make them all yourself.)
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To: kingattax

My next vehicle will be a brand new Indian Chief Classic motorcycle.
I have a camera on a 2012 Equinox, never use it.


13 posted on 04/01/2014 12:39:38 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: kingattax

Travel, cheap travel, is an essential part of driving the economy, from a local walking distance economy of about a couple miles, to bicycling 20 miles or 200 miles with a car.

Just like the airbag killing fiasco and seat belts constraining people from looking around killing bikers, the government is only interested in terror and driving people out of their business by making things unsafe and expensive.


14 posted on 04/01/2014 1:30:39 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“They” the government isn’t the one who really made this appeal.

I’ll bet with a little research I could discover that the rear view camera companies made the case for mandating it.

Follow the money...


15 posted on 04/01/2014 1:40:41 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: kingattax

Our Honda Pilot has one and we love. We combat park in malls a lot and this makes it easy to see stuff down low that a mirror would not notice.


16 posted on 04/01/2014 2:39:30 AM PDT by Portcall24 (aer)
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To: kingattax
How about building a blasted car that a person can turn their head around and have a look for themselves? Oh and a vehicle walk around before backing in places like a driveway up is just good common sense anyway.

In todays cars your kid in the back seat could be choking or dead and you'd have to pull over and get out of the car just to actually see them. Thanks a lot EPA Fuel Mileage Mandates. You have likely killed more people in the name of ghiah or whoever your environmental goddess name is than have died from the so called dangers you claim will harm us.

17 posted on 04/01/2014 3:12:32 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: dr_lew

I’ve got one in my 2013 Honda and it comes on immediately.


18 posted on 04/01/2014 3:17:47 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: kingattax

Our crew trucks at work have them. They’re great, but not so much after driving in the rain.


19 posted on 04/01/2014 3:26:49 AM PDT by jughandle
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To: jughandle

Don’t worry. They will mandate wipers for the cameras in another year or two.


20 posted on 04/01/2014 3:30:46 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: kingattax

Just another way to make it more expensive to live.

Cheap cars like the VK Bug have gone the way of the dodo.

Just like the middle class will as more and more of this crap expense is imposed on the public instead of letting the market decide.


21 posted on 04/01/2014 3:45:47 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: kingattax

If you are not sure whats behind you THEN DONT PUT THE CAR IN REVERSE.


22 posted on 04/01/2014 3:52:25 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Still Thinking

+1. I personally like them but it should be up to the buyers to decide if they want one.


23 posted on 04/01/2014 4:27:45 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: 9YearLurker

And we have one in our 2014 Honda.

Works great.

BTW - I believe that the ‘camera’ will cost less than $150.00 overall with the surge to larger informational screens in newer autos which interact with smartphones for music and text, etc.

I despise this type of government mandate - the market is providing it already. Let the market dictate.


24 posted on 04/01/2014 4:28:59 AM PDT by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
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To: pepsionice
There’s a EU push to have GPS in every car sold by 2020.

It wouldn't surprise me to see a similar thing happen here, possibly as part of this camera requirement. If you're going to have a rear-view camera, you really need the Nav system with a sufficiently large view screen. My wife's car has the camera but not factory nav, so the camera display is a tiny screen hidden in the rear-view mirror (too small to be useful).

Overall, I prefer the obstacle sensor systems to cameras.

25 posted on 04/01/2014 4:30:54 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Yeah, we joke about having a lens cleaner like we see on the race cars!


26 posted on 04/01/2014 4:44:33 AM PDT by jughandle
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To: kingattax

A $2 back up beeper would have saved thousands of lives over the years.


27 posted on 04/01/2014 4:47:54 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

GM will have them but will catch fire after the warrenty expires.


28 posted on 04/01/2014 5:33:50 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

A $2 back up beeper would have saved thousands of lives over the years.


At the cost of tens of thousands life/equivalents lost due to the consequences of the health effects of disrupted sleep.


29 posted on 04/01/2014 5:34:50 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Lose to Cruz - 2016!)
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To: vette6387

The new thing in south Texas is mezicans stealing tailgates off of Super Duty trucks. They resale them or part out the camera pieces. Keep your tailgate locked.


30 posted on 04/01/2014 5:52:35 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: 9YearLurker

Same here but Honda adds a check surroundings warning as well. It is good but you still have to twist and use your eyes as well. I know there are some cameras that check sideways 90 degrees so that is another plus. Eventually cameras will have 360 degree vision for automated driving and parking.


31 posted on 04/01/2014 6:15:18 AM PDT by xp38
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To: kingattax
Mark my words, we will soon be required to wear motorcycle helmets in our cars. I'm guessing that head injury deaths in car accidents are much more prevalent than deaths from backing up.

I stocked up on incandescent light bulbs. Now I need to stock up on cars.

32 posted on 04/01/2014 6:35:10 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: xp38

Yes, you need to not let focusing on the camera image, as Honda silently reminds me, preclude checking to the sides as well.


33 posted on 04/01/2014 6:40:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: BBB333

Yep, the demand is there.

The free market, at least for anything of significance, seems to be on its deathbed.


34 posted on 04/01/2014 6:42:14 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: dr_lew

The answer:

“But my backup screen said it was Ok to backup!”

/s

My parents bought a new Honda with it as standard equipment, along with a right-side mirror camera.

Nifty, but what a distraction to ‘driving’...

Frankly, the first thing I’d do is hack the interface to turn it off & on at will. The big problem is that the ‘displays’ are integrated; you can’t disable the display without losing radio, gps & other functions.


35 posted on 04/01/2014 9:36:10 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Vendome

could be, but big brother doesn’t need any convincing to protect us from ourselves b/c we can’t make it through the day without their watchful, loving omiscient presence monitoring us and making better decisions than we could, for us.


36 posted on 04/01/2014 10:04:57 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: kingattax

It would seem more critical to require back-up sensors: so
the sensor could automatically brake the car, if it comes too close to hitting something.


37 posted on 04/01/2014 1:41:27 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Vendome
I’ll bet with a little research I could discover that the rear view camera companies made the case for mandating it.

BINGO!

38 posted on 04/01/2014 4:10:55 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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