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The IRS Digs in its Heels [will take "YEARS" to disclose scandal documents]
American Thinker ^ | April 1, 2014 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 04/01/2014 6:31:07 AM PDT by Moseley

It could take years for Congressional committees to get all the documents demanded about the IRS scandal under mandatory subpoenas, IRS’ new Commissioner John Koskinen testified. The new IRS Commissioner displayed the slippery style of a snake-oil salesman while testifying March 26 before Congressman Darrell Issa’s Committee on Oversight and Government.

Koskinen’s excuses were especially surprising because similar demands for documents are imposed upon private companies all the time by the U.S. Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission. Your author has worked as a lawyer on teams responding to such massive governmental document requests. Any time there is a merger that raises questions or controversy, a “Second Request” is issued demanding often millions of pages of emails and documents to be delivered to the U.S. Government. It doesn’t take years.

The government – naturally – complains it cannot do what private businesses do. The private sector routinely responds to more-extensive subpoenas to huge corporations in weeks or months with teams of lawyers hired on a temporary basis. There is even specialty software designed for this (several brands) and even a small industry built around it. Some companies will supply the specialized work space along with instant manpower.

The March 26 hearing was delightfully raucous, with one Republican after another exhibiting a pulse and tearing into Koskinen – the former Deputy Mayor of the District of Columbia. Koskinen swatted back smug, evasive non-answers with a smile. The Committee subpoena in February demanded “all” emails from or to various people (on official government email systems) including Lois Lerner. Koskinen repeatedly tried to change the focus from “all” to only those emails and other documents that the IRS might want the Congress to see.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Delaware
KEYWORDS: darrellissa; irsscandal; targeting; teaparty
Congress has been demanding information for over a year. Republicans pointed out that it should take only minutes for a computer to pull all of Lois Lerner’s emails. Koskinen angered committee members by trying to suggest it would take more time – not less – to pull all emails instead of a selected subset. Of course in the computer age, it is easier and faster to copy all emails than to put in the extra work of screening emails according to topics. Committee members were not amused by Koskinen’s tap-dancing, although Koskinen was plainly amused with himself.

However, a dangerous trap by the Obama Administration is being set, which even House Republicans failed to recognize. Christine O’Donnell revealed in February – and Congressional committees have confirmed her report -- that the IRS interprets 26 U.S.C. 6103 as prohibiting the disclosure of IRS misconduct or abuse concerning taxpayer information.

So – cloaked in double-speak – Koskinen effectively announced to Congress that the information Congress is trying to obtain will not be disclosed. Christine O’Donnell exposed that the IRS thinks “6103 information” includes not only a taxpayer’s records but also how IRS personnel mishandled that taxpayer’s records. The IRS plans to redact and withhold from Congress all information about misconduct and abuse by the IRS.

On March 26, Commissioner Koskinen repeatedly emphasized that the IRS is screening all documents to withhold from Congress any “6103 information.” But the IRS argues that “6103 information” includes the very misconduct and abuse by IRS employees which Congress is trying to investigate.

Consider: O’Donnell’s tax records were illegally accessed, according to a Treasury Department inspector general investigator Dennis Martel (who interviewed me earlier on a related issue). So Christine filed a Freedom of Information Act request about herself. The IRS responded that they had three (3) boxes of documents to hand over and would she come get them. Then the IRS called back and said they would not release any documents about her to her because 26 U.S.C. 6103 prohibited it. That’s the same problem Congressman Darrell Issa’s Committee will run into.

1 posted on 04/01/2014 6:31:07 AM PDT by Moseley
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To: Moseley

Publicly hang them all.


2 posted on 04/01/2014 6:40:03 AM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: Moseley

Seems pretty staight forward to me. Boehner needs to submit legislation eliminating 6103 language and make it a requirement that ALL IRS Officials are obligated by law to release unredacted information to both congressional oversight and the DOJ that are under supena. Failure to do so will result in prosecution with a Minimum sentence of 5 years in club fed if found guilty.

Then call Koskinen up to another Hearing. Ask him if he plans on releasing the information within a week. If he says no, have him arrested and housed in the Basement of the House.

Call a Press conference and state that once the bill passes the house and is sent to the Senate ALL legislation will stop until it is approved by the Senate and signed into Law by Nero.


3 posted on 04/01/2014 6:41:06 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

Maybe they would cough them up if people showed up with “pitchforks” (or the most effective weapon available), torches, tar and feathers.


4 posted on 04/01/2014 6:42:04 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: VRWCarea51

ARREST THEM!


5 posted on 04/01/2014 6:42:04 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

Tar.
Feathers...


6 posted on 04/01/2014 6:42:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Moseley
It could take years for Congressional committees to get all the documents demanded about the IRS scandal under mandatory subpoenas, IRS’ new Commissioner John Koskinen testified.

Contempt citations and jail. It's been done before and no one should be exempt. When legitimate oversight is delayed by foot dragging there has to be an immediate consequence.

Unfortunately, that involves John Boehner somehow becoming a vertebrate. So I know, good luck with that.

7 posted on 04/01/2014 6:44:42 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Moseley

We used to be able to throw people in jail. Who was Clinton’s friend who died in jail?


8 posted on 04/01/2014 6:45:57 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Moseley
The good news is it only takes one day of voting to abolish the IRS completely by Constitutional amendment.
9 posted on 04/01/2014 6:45:59 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

Time to man up GOP. The Obama administration is caught in a cover-up of epic political proportions for vote suppression and attacks against First Amendment rights while facilitating left wing groups.

Obama should have to face the real consequences of facing either impeachment or the embarrassment of resigning from office in 2015.


10 posted on 04/01/2014 6:46:10 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Moseley

Just wait until this scourge of a president leaves office. The blanket amnesties for these government hacks will be rolling out of the Oval Office like a tide.


11 posted on 04/01/2014 6:49:32 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Colonel_Flagg

The bastards will send out armed agents if any of “the people” tried this -

“I’m sorry, I can’t provide the information you require for your audit for about 6 years. I’ll let you know when I get it rounded up.”


12 posted on 04/01/2014 6:51:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: VRWCarea51

Go ahead and do the contempt thing, but be prepared to begin impeachment hearings in December.


13 posted on 04/01/2014 6:53:40 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

Probably, Clown Prince nobama will issue blanket pardons to all his anti-Free-America commie asshat minions (including his royal self) if impeachment and arrest draw near.


14 posted on 04/01/2014 6:56:05 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Moseley

Justice delayed is justice denied.


15 posted on 04/01/2014 6:58:59 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

There is a need to announce the proposed hanging a few weeks in advance. Tha will give people time to make travel plans,& also to set up a gallows area that can handle a large attendance.


16 posted on 04/01/2014 6:59:21 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: Moseley

We’re seeing Republicans not willing to jail these criminals because some day the shoe will be on the other foot. The entire federal government is a giant pot of criminals protecting criminals.


17 posted on 04/01/2014 7:20:02 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: MrB

those people would get shot dead where they stand by this government


18 posted on 04/01/2014 7:23:07 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: Moseley
this is just one more example that shows that government is completely unaccountable and must be abolished : abolish the IRS , FDA ,EPA ,NASA , FEC ,FCC, HUD , obamcare, gov schools for starters and then keep going

Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign

19 posted on 04/01/2014 7:23:57 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Moseley

The IRS yields to no one.

No one.


20 posted on 04/01/2014 7:38:29 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Moseley

how about ya take the top 5 or 10 irs criminals, hold em in contempt of congress and throw their sorry asses in jail until they come clean?
Better yet line Lois up in front on capital hill and shoot her dead and see who lines up to spill the beans on this RICO crime syndicate known as obammy’s federal gub mint?


21 posted on 04/01/2014 7:50:03 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: hal ogen

Obama cannot pardon an impeachment and removal...only a criminal prosecution.


22 posted on 04/01/2014 8:24:20 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Moseley

And what are you gonna do about it? Our system of government and law comes down to that simple question.

Nobody in government will stop this. None of the branches are interested in restraining the power the IRS has, or has the ability to do so.

It is up to each one of us individually to just stand up and say “NO”, come what may.

Read the IRS code, read all the laws that you’ve assumed you’ve been subject to. Why did those groups want a sanction/benefit from the government anyway? Why did they allow Louis Lerner to tell them they couldn’t express their opinion? Why does anyone allow the government to do the very thing that the 1st Amendment specifically tells the govt it cant do?

Ah, but there is the rub, the criminals in govt will point to the Supreme Court and say, ‘well THEY say we can indeed do exactly what the 1st Amd says we cant, and here’s why.....’ They will split hairs and count angels on the head of a pin until you throw up you hands an walk away in disgust. The lawyers are killing us at a thousand words per second.

Just as an example, read you’re state’s “Drivers License” laws. Read the whole section, including and especially, the definitions section. All is NOT as you’ve been told. The IRS code is no different, find the definition of “wages” and read it a few times. Read it like you were a lawyer looking for a loophole, cause that is how it was written.


23 posted on 04/01/2014 9:19:00 AM PDT by tonyinv (I no longer care enough to even say 'I told you so')
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To: listenhillary
This one?

WIKI:On April 14, 1997, James McDougal was convicted of eighteen felony counts of fraud and conspiracy charges.

24 posted on 04/01/2014 9:44:54 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: Moseley

We need a federal judge, who loves this country and loves liberty to jail these scumbags. The fish rots from the head.

Richard Nixon - articles of impeachment, the second one was abuse of the IRS - it is an impeachable offense.

FROM THE ARTICLES:

Article 2

Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has repeatedly engaged in conduct violating the constitutional rights of citizens, impairing the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, or contravening the laws governing agencies of the executive branch and the purposed of these agencies.

This conduct has included one or more of the following:

He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.


25 posted on 04/01/2014 12:27:27 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: listenhillary

Chelsea’s father, Web Hubbell.


26 posted on 04/01/2014 12:38:43 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: VRWCarea51
Seems pretty staight forward to me. Boehner needs to submit legislation eliminating 6103 language and make it a requirement that ALL IRS Officials are obligated by law to release unredacted information to both congressional oversight and the DOJ that are under supena. Failure to do so will result in prosecution with a Minimum sentence of 5 years in club fed if found guilty.

Make sure there's a definitive time frame, such as within 30 days of the demand for that information.

27 posted on 04/01/2014 12:45:21 PM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Moseley

Good article, Jon—thanks.


28 posted on 04/01/2014 1:08:15 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: tonyinv

Just revoke the budget for IRS.


29 posted on 04/01/2014 1:16:15 PM PDT by BillM (.)
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