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Is Crimea gone? Annexation no longer the focus of Ukraine crisis
CNN ^ | April 1, 2014 | Tom Cohen

Posted on 04/01/2014 11:00:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Washington (CNN) -- In diplomacy, like in sales, success often depends on making your adversaries believe they proposed the result you wanted.

By that measure, Russian President Vladimir Putin appears to have closed the sale on annexing Crimea from Ukraine. On Monday, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev visited the region that Moscow now claims over international protests, while Russia also said it was withdrawing a battalion of infantry troops from the tens of thousands deployed near the border with eastern Ukraine.

Meanwhile, diplomatic efforts focus on defusing the immediate threat of armed conflict and setting up a negotiating process, rather than necessarily reversing the Crimean annexation.

~snip~~

As tension climbed, Putin called President Barack Obama last Friday and the two leaders agreed that their top diplomats would try to find an opening for negotiations on resolving the crisis.

In four hours of talks on Sunday in Paris, Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov focused on easing the border tension and working out a formula for a negotiating process that includes the Ukraine government.

Afterward, Kerry told reporters that both governments agreed on the need for a diplomatic solution, and that the goal for now was de-escalating the crisis to allow for further talks.

However, he never directly mentioned Crimea or its annexation and he didn't repeat an earlier U.S. demand that Russian troops leave Crimea.

~snip~~

A variety of outcomes remain possible, ranging from further Russian military incursions in other ethnic-Russian strongholds in the region to a negotiated political agreement in which Ukraine adopts a new constitution and holds new elections -- almost certainly minus Crimea.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: obama; putin; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
CNN catching up.
1 posted on 04/01/2014 11:00:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

It was gone the day after it happened.


2 posted on 04/01/2014 11:01:43 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yep, Crimea is gone. We knew that from the beginning - just knowing the two players, Obama and Putin!


3 posted on 04/01/2014 11:02:40 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Jim Robinson
Mission Accomplishment.

On to the next grab.

4 posted on 04/01/2014 11:05:10 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Jim Robinson

The Crimea was Putin’s original goal. All his blabber about Ukraine was to distract the West. Putin then grabbed the Crimea and pretended he “backed down” over Ukraine, allowing the cowards like Obama to claim they forced Putin to back down.


5 posted on 04/01/2014 11:05:25 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Jim Robinson

They gone.


6 posted on 04/01/2014 11:06:15 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Jim Robinson

The real question now is “what next?” I have “Estonia” in the pool (not the rest of Ukraine).


7 posted on 04/01/2014 11:09:41 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Jim Robinson

Is Crimea gone? Man,,, not much gets by those guys at CNN. I understand their Sochi Olympic coverage will begin next week.


8 posted on 04/01/2014 11:13:05 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I’ll take Eastern Ukraine for $5.00


9 posted on 04/01/2014 11:13:55 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Jim Robinson

All Obama’s horses and all Obama’s men couldn’t put the genie back in the bottle again... Or something like that.

The process of reunification continues in Russia, and nothing the US or EU can do will stop it.


10 posted on 04/01/2014 11:19:18 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: DesertRhino
I understand their Sochi Olympic coverage will begin next week.

Just as soon as their five-star hotels are ready.

11 posted on 04/01/2014 11:19:45 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: everyone
Give me a thrill? Let me hear you! Freep the FReepathon!
12 posted on 04/01/2014 11:40:08 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Jim Robinson

13 posted on 04/01/2014 11:41:15 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Cyber Liberty
Finland
14 posted on 04/01/2014 11:57:28 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus

It meets the necessary criteria...Ethnic Russians.


15 posted on 04/01/2014 12:40:34 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty; AU72
It meets the necessary criteria...Ethnic Russians.

I would get a good laugh if one day soon, a Russian Sub appears off of Brighton Beach, New York City to rescue those Ethnic Russians. What would Obama do? What would NATO do?

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=map+of+brighton+beach,+new+york+city&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

16 posted on 04/01/2014 12:47:18 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal

Play another 18 holes, I reckon.


17 posted on 04/01/2014 12:48:50 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Former Fetus

There are only about 30,000 ethnic Russians in Finland out of a population of more than 5 million, so the excuse Putin used to justify the annexation of Crimea (to protect his fellow Russians) won’t work.


18 posted on 04/01/2014 1:12:48 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Star Traveler

Its gone-—get over it. Putin will never let it go now.


19 posted on 04/01/2014 1:45:24 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Its gone and its not coming back.


20 posted on 04/01/2014 3:35:09 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: no-to-illegals

Kerry’s words from his last meeting with Lavrov show that Crimea already belongs to Russia and not being challenged by US. None of the commentaries after this meeting mentioned Crimea..

So despite the verbal jargon that the annexation of Crimea by Russia won’t be recognized...it’s already been recognized ‘by the US Administration’....it wasn’t the focus of the of the Lavrov-Kerry discussions......neither are the troops on the border.


21 posted on 04/01/2014 8:23:22 PM PDT by caww
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To: dfwgator
Meanwhile Russia's LUKoil Starts Production At Iraqi Oil Field...Putin's not letting any grass grow under his feet

A ceremony was held at the West Qurna-2 field marking the start of commercial production.........Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister for Energy said he expected output to reach some 100,000 barrels per day by the start of April......plans for production to reach some 420,000 barrels daily by the end of this year.


23 posted on 04/01/2014 8:27:30 PM PDT by caww
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To: Jim Robinson
Exactly! This is the unfortunate thing, that the narrative has shifted and moved away from the annexation of the Crimea.

I had written this (part of a longer post) on Monday:

....My view is that Russia will be pulling the South Ossetia/Crimea move every 4-5 years. As it goes stronger, and the US (depending on leadership) weaker, it will move from the 'Georgias' to the 'Ukraines.' It will pick up breakaway regions (Moldova will lose something soon ...although Transnistria is technically lost). The West will do nothing ....much. For example, the talks going on now have assumed Crimea is a part of Russia. That is not under discussion, just that Russia leave Eastern Ukraine.

Sanctions will be lifted in a week, Europe will breath a sigh of relief, Russia will smile, and Kerry and Obama will claim victory. Similar to the Georgia situation ...without Kerry and Obama to smirk. In essence, gain land, get hit with sanctions for a few weeks, threaten escalation, the West has talks to de escalate the situation, Russia agrees, every one is happy and says Russia has withdrawn, and Russia withdraws with the new territory that got ignored during the talks.

If that is losing it is a great thing Russia is not winning.

....America needs stronger leadership, or this will repeat again in 4 years. Only difference is China may also get on that choochoo train.

24 posted on 04/02/2014 2:47:23 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: caww

Am still wondering if this was an agreement made before obama’s reelection and this was not something obama and his minions wanted to take credit for in giving away Crimea. If was an agreement between obama and putin, prior to the election, wonder how Europe is thinking and if they have actual intelligence of this was going to take place?


25 posted on 04/02/2014 7:52:06 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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