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Gun Control: The Facts, Figures, And Frustrations
Neon Tommy - Annenberg Digital News ^ | April 1, 2014 | Kevin Litman-Navarro

Posted on 04/01/2014 4:13:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

When I think of Chicago, my mind goes to Wrigley Field, Michael Jordan and the Sears Tower. Over the last few weeks, I have added something else to this list: gun violence.

Since Friday, 17 people have been shot in the city.

A couple weeks back, on the night of March 11th, ten shootings occurred in Chicago. Just to be clear, that is over the course of ONE NIGHT. Only the Chicago Tribune reported on these incidents, resulting in most Americans not even hearing about them.

This is an irresponsible omission; an incredibly disturbing trend; a manifestation of our hyper-desensitized RoboCop society that dismisses ten shootings as just another night in the Windy City.

Have we given up on making society safer? Are we really going to ignore the obvious solution? Isn’t it worth letting some guns out of our cold dead hands if it means stopping even one gun-related death?

Shockingly, some say no: gun-toting, ill-informed NRA members who miss the days of the West being wild; brainwashed Fox News viewers with a confederate flag painted on their pickup who “need” an AR-15 for hunting ducks; and everyone in Florida (joke, laugh).

These people claim that gun control doesn’t work. They say that the solution to gun violence is obvious. More guns.And there is one more group — politicians who are so afraid of losing reelection that they capitulate to the desires of the gun lobby, brushing aside their constituents and disregarding their interests with a cold shoulder and silent “who cares”.

Wait, actually?

The contention is as follows: more guns in the hands of responsible citizens will make our society safer by allowing people to defend themselves and serve as a deterrent for criminals.

Statistically speaking, however, this is a blatant fallacy. States with more gun ownership are in fact less safe than those with less gun ownership.

Logically speaking, it is also quite obvious that more guns are not the answer. When you fight fire with fire, everything goes up in flames.

Opponents of gun control further claim that there is no indication that gun control legislation is effective.

If only we had an example of a country implementing widespread gun control legislation that could set a precedent for the United States...

As it so happens, the Australian government did just that after a mass shooting in 1996 left 35 dead and 20 injured.

The reforms standardized gun laws throughout Australia, prohibiting semi-automatic rifles and resulting in around 700,000 guns destroyed after the world’s largest firearm buyback. Furthermore, gun ownership applicants must have a justifiable reason for owning the type of gun they are seeking (i.e. people can’t get assault rifles for hunting small game).

The results of these reasonable changes are astounding.

In 1996, Australia’s firearm mortality rate was approximately one-quarter of the U.S. rate; today it is less than one-tenth of the U.S. rate (this includes suicides and accidental shootings). If we only consider gun homicide rates, the United States boasts a rate which is a staggering 30 times that of Australia’s (see below for John Oliver’s entertaining exposé on these effects).

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)

So why haven’t we followed in the Aussies’ footsteps?

There are two problems — politicians catering to the gun lobby, and a lack of media responsibility.

The first quandary has a simple solution: our leaders need to demonstrate a willingness to lose reelection in order to do what is best for the people. Many of the Australian lawmakers who voted for gun reform lost their jobs as a result. But their priority was to protect Australian citizens, and if that meant losing office, so be it.

The majority of our Representatives and Senators are too afraid of losing their power to do right by the people, and they need to join the few who are championing the cause regardless of the threat of losing office.

Unfortunately, this is the way of our government, and it is unlikely that it will change in the near future. In the meantime, it is the job of the media to make a meaningful difference.

Newspapers, networks, and online publications have a duty to the American people to report every time there is gun violence. It is omnipresent, happening all over the country, and yet we only hear about it when there is a mass shooting in a public place.

For every Trayvon Martin, there are hundreds like him who go unseen. For every Newtown, there are dozens of cities who suffer from tragic loss of life outside of the public eye.

If every single person was notified of every single shooting, we would surely care enough to change our priorities and bypass the deadlock in Washington. In forcing politicians to support gun control in exchange for our votes, the American people could reclaim the power to shape policy and take the gun lobby out of the equation.

Or perhaps if every American was as adamant about gun control as every parent who has lost a child to gun violence, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: australia; banglist; chicago; illinois
Got that?
1 posted on 04/01/2014 4:13:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There wasn't a single liberal talking point about gun control that he didn't miss.

I especially love the bigotry toward gun owners. If anyone stereotyped minorities the way this fool did, they would be ostracized by liberals for all of eternity.

2 posted on 04/01/2014 4:30:38 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That second amendment really pisses them off!


3 posted on 04/01/2014 4:32:50 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Got that?

Yep. Flaming moron.

4 posted on 04/01/2014 4:42:44 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: stocksthatgoup

One, Australia has few “minorities” and, Two, are getting very nervous about the Muslim invasion. It would behoove them to re-arm the good guys. The boy-f••kers have theirs already.


5 posted on 04/01/2014 4:45:04 PM PDT by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.r)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I love this. Our elected representatives have to do something we clearly don't want them to do, lose their seats as a result of breach of contract, and the law, once in place, will magically stay there and save the country.

Liberal fantasyland. They should sell tickets.

6 posted on 04/01/2014 4:47:10 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank goodness that guns are illegal in Chicago! Chicago’s murder stats speak louder than anything this clown could possibly write.


7 posted on 04/01/2014 4:51:33 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t like my guns? Either come and take them or STHU!


8 posted on 04/01/2014 4:54:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: stocksthatgoup

IF it says “Annenberg” it means LEFT


9 posted on 04/01/2014 4:57:51 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why don’t we compare Chicago and Detroit crime rates to Montpelier VT?


10 posted on 04/01/2014 5:22:40 PM PDT by umgud
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So why haven’t we followed in the Aussies’ footsteps? There are two problems — politicians catering to the gun lobby, and a lack of media responsibility.

The media relentlessly pounds the issue and the anti-gun lobby is well funded including taxpayer dollars (e.g. "science", "health" care and Bloomberg type nonsense). The culture and effects of gun grabbing is described here: http://www.davekopel.com/2a/Foreign/Australia.pdf

11 posted on 04/01/2014 5:24:04 PM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From a while back but:
Gun Confiscation in Australia Not Shown to Reduce Mass Shootings Mass shootings in Australia and New Zealand: A descriptive study of incidence, by Samara McPhedran and Jeanine Baker, pulblished in the Justice Policy Journal, Vol. 8, No. 1, Spring 2011 I recommend the study to anyone interested in criminology, mass killings, or citizen disarmament. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2122854 http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/02/gun-confiscation-in-australia-not-shown.html

12 posted on 04/01/2014 5:49:33 PM PDT by HammerT (The Commonsense civil right of Armed Self-defense [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Also on Australia:

Australia’s lecture on gun control not backed by facts
http://www.smallgovtimes.com/article/australias-lecture-on-gun-control-not-backed-by-facts/

13 posted on 04/01/2014 5:50:57 PM PDT by HammerT (The Commonsense civil right of Armed Self-defense [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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To: HammerT
Better formatting on that link:

Gun Confiscation in Australia Not Shown to Reduce Mass Shootings
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/02/gun-confiscation-in-australia-not-shown.html

14 posted on 04/01/2014 5:52:31 PM PDT by HammerT (The Commonsense civil right of Armed Self-defense [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...gun-toting, ill-informed NRA members who miss the days of the West being wild; brainwashed Fox News viewers with a confederate flag painted on their pickup who “need” an AR-15 for hunting ducks...
It's refreshing to see a gun control advocate present a logical, reasoned argument that doesn't rely on ad hominem tactics. Oh, wait...
15 posted on 04/01/2014 5:57:16 PM PDT by Bob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gee, I thought Chicago had strict gun laws?


16 posted on 04/01/2014 5:57:26 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: All

Half of all gun death victims are black males.

Nearly all of those blacks were shot by other blacks, by police or by armed citizens defending themselves.

We don’t have a “gun problem” we have a problems with less than 7% of the population that commits violent crimes and murders using guns.

http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe?_service=v8prod&_server=app-v-ehip-wisq.cdc.gov&_port=5081&_sessionid=hRygUXgUN52&_program=wisqars.dd_details10.sas&_service=&type=H&prtfmt=STANDARD&age1=.&age2=.&agegp=AllAges&deaths=6580&_debug=0&lcdfmt=lcd1age&ethnicty=1&ranking=5&deathtle=Death


17 posted on 04/01/2014 6:17:03 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Has any President in history sunk to such a level of self-flattery & validation-seeking?)
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To: namvolunteer

“One, Australia has few “minorities””

You are right—but they do have a few and in a conversation with a friend in Sydney my friend related the nasty habit one of those minorities had of skewering people with spear-like weapons. Australia is a poor example and not only for that reason.

I have become so exasperated with the hard left socialists like this author that I accept they cannot live in an advanced society. Let them secede into their own state—the city-states of SF, NYC, and Chicago. Let them be happy in their worlds but they must leave the rest of us alone.


18 posted on 04/01/2014 6:18:58 PM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Only looking at “firearms homicide” is intellectually dishonest. It is overall unjustified homicides that matter. If firearms homicides go down, but overall homicides state the same or go up, you have not gained anything but disarming some of the population.

In Australia the academic concensus is that the gun confiscation did not change the crime rates, in spit of a quick blip up and then down. It is on the same track it was on before the draconian gun laws were put into effect.


19 posted on 04/01/2014 6:34:18 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can one of you guys more hep than me explain the hyphen in a man’s name? My stomach is telling me that I think I know the answer but I’m hoping my brain and my stomach are wrong.


20 posted on 04/01/2014 6:58:40 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I did some analysis of gun violence a few years ago. Using FBI crime statistics, if you take out the gang-on-gang homocides for just the cities of NYC, LA, CHI and a few more cities... The U.S. then has a homocide rate lower than the U.K. Or any country in Europe.


21 posted on 04/01/2014 6:58:46 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Kevin Litman-Navarro”? WTF? He’s so de-masculinized he takes a three-word name?

Hey Kev, hate to break this to ya, but guns are absotively posilutely ILLEGAL in Chi-town.

All those shootings are the RESULTS of guns restrictions, genius.

But then you don’t really care, now do you? What you care about is the little gold star you get for writing this dreck and showing your loyalty to the Party.


22 posted on 04/01/2014 8:01:17 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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