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Nannytastic: All vehicles required to have rearview cameras by 2018
Hotair ^ | 04/02/2014 | Mary Katherine Ham

Posted on 04/01/2014 7:14:25 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Four years from now, it will be illegal to manufacture a car without a rearview camera. The new regulation is to meant to prevent back-over accidents from hurting small children and seniors, so who could be against that? Apparently not one person, because the New York Times story on this regulation features not one dissenting voice. No one who could say, “Gee, this will definitely add to the cost of new vehicles, making them less affordable and attainable for middle-class families.” No one who could say, “This sounds like a nice idea, but must it be mandated by government?” Not even anyone to point out, “Hey, 85 PERCENT OF NEW CARS ALREADY HAVE THIS SO WHY ARE YOU WRITING A LAW?”

Rear cameras already are standard or optional equipment on 85 percent of model year 2014 vehicles, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. That compares with only 5 percent of vehicles available with rear cameras in 2005.

Ahem:

Backup cameras have become more common since then, as consumers have started to demand the technology and more vehicles have been sold with big navigation screens that can easily display the video feed from a backup camera.

Some automakers have raced to adopt the feature. Honda says that with the launch of the 2015 Honda Fit, its entire U.S. lineup will come standard with backup cameras.

A rearview camera would have become routinely standard within in a couple years, but the American people can’t be trusted with things that are “optional.”

Why allow the market to speak when you can force people to comply with your will?

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) issued new regulations today requiring all vehicles weighing under 10,000 pounds to be equipped with rear visibility cameras by May 2018. The new rule is designed to protect pedestrians from vehicles backing up into them, though it has up until now faced numerous delays.

Though carmakers like Honda and Toyota have already begun to outfit their cars with backup cameras, the regulations will apply to all cars, buses, and trucks for the 2019 model year.

I used a quick Google search of the sort the New York Times is incapable to turn up a Mercatus writer addressing the unintended consequences of such a regulation when it was delayed in 2013. It’s a rule made for the rich, he says:

Not surprisingly, low income families spend less on private risk mitigation than high income families do. Similarly, those who live in lower income areas tend to face higher mortality risks from a whole host of factors (e.g. accidents, homicide, cancer), when compared to those who live in wealthier neighborhoods. People with higher incomes tend to demand more risk reduction, just as they demand more of other goods or services. Therefore, spending money to reduce very low probability risks, like the risk of being backed over by a car in reverse, is more in line with preferences of the wealthy, since the wealthy will demand more risk reduction of this sort than the poor will.

Such a rule may also result in unintended consequences. Just as using seat belts has been shown to lead to people driving faster, relying on a rearview camera when driving in reverse may lead to people being less careful about backing up. For example, someone could be running outside of the camera’s view, and only come into view just as he or she is hit by the car. Relying on cameras entirely may increase the risk of some people getting hit.

The rule, which originally would have gone into effect this year, was delayed four times partly because of administration concerns about the price problem. Of course, now that they’ve imposed it, it is henceforth evil to wonder whether it is wise. Why do you hate children and old people?



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cars; rearviewcameras; vehicles

1 posted on 04/01/2014 7:14:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So I can’t have a TV where I can see it but I can have a TV where I can see it.


2 posted on 04/01/2014 7:15:44 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: SeekAndFind

I have to wonder when these backup cameras will be mandated for vehicles not originally outfitted with them.

Somehow a 71 honda with a “backup camera” seems an odd idea.


3 posted on 04/01/2014 7:18:06 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: SeekAndFind

That should add a pretty good increase to the price of a car. People who need a camera to see what is behind them before they back up have no business operating a motor vehicle. Isn’t any dumbass camera going to help them either. IMHO.


4 posted on 04/01/2014 7:18:37 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Happy Brain Injury Awareness Month!)
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To: SeekAndFind

BTTT


5 posted on 04/01/2014 7:19:36 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This issue doesn’t bother me too much. The technology isn’t all that cost prohibitive, and the benefits in terms of safety and convenience are decent. It does bother me, however, to have the State prescribe it. Just because the tool is there doesn’t mean people will use it as intended.


6 posted on 04/01/2014 7:20:52 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: SeekAndFind

What would be more useful than a camera would be a system that senses when something is too close to the back of the vehicle and sends a warning to stop.

A camera isn’t any good, if it doesn’t really alert anybody that somebody might be behind them.


7 posted on 04/01/2014 7:21:15 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Average American can’t Afford a New Car
8 posted on 04/01/2014 7:21:27 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: SeekAndFind
The market would beat government to this anyway, because there's lots of people who want forward-looking cameras with FLIR and sideways looking cameras for traffic stop encounters with law enforcement officers. I already have backup video, 'Hi-Def' even. I've even streamed it live over the web from my vehicle.

The coming government hypocrisy is going to be laws against recording video with law enforcement from cameras inside your vehicle. Bet on that.

I've always wondered what happens when Nanny State collides head-on with Police State. Guess we'll get to find out.

9 posted on 04/01/2014 7:24:00 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: SeekAndFind

When it gets right down to it, this will add over a thousand dollars to the price of cars, cars that are becoming more and more unaffordable. And I guarantee, no one is going to pay any attention to the display after the novelty wears off.

All because a few hundred injuries out of a total population of almost 400 million.

Please.


10 posted on 04/01/2014 7:27:10 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: SeekAndFind

Will they have a memory feature where you can save the plate number of a tailgater and send it to the Highway Cops?
I have a dash cam that has recorded quite a few “creative driving incidents”.


11 posted on 04/01/2014 7:27:50 PM PDT by TaMoDee (Go Pack Go! The Pack will be back in 2014!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Raising the prices on starter vehicles that the poor might otherwise afford and also raising the prices of non-compliant used cars, which will be more sought after by those who cannot afford a 3 cylinder car with new mandated technology.


12 posted on 04/01/2014 7:29:14 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: SeekAndFind

Honda Makes Backup Cameras Standard on Most Models
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07/honda-makes-backup-cameras-standard-on-most-models.html

Starting with the 2013 model year, a backup camera will be standard on the redesigned Honda Accord along with the Crosstour, Odyssey, Pilot, Ridgeline and CR-Z. That means Honda’s 12-model lineup goes from having just two models with a standard backup camera — the FCX Clarity hydrogen vehicle and the CR-V crossover — to nine models. A backup camera was already standard on the 2012 Honda CR-V and remains that way for the 2013 model year. The 2013 Honda Fit EV also has a standard backup camera.

That’s a drastic change for Honda; previously, backup cameras were an option that had to be coupled with an expensive navigation system. In fact, the update means Honda offers a backup camera on more of its lineup than any other mainstream automaker – other strong contenders include Kia and Hyundai.

Why the change? The possibility that backup cameras will be mandated for all passenger vehicles by 2014 (though it looks like that rule may be delayed) was probably a motivating factor. “We’ve definitely known about the possibility of legislation down the pike, but we didn’t have to start this early,” Honda spokesman Chris Martin said. Honda’s more immediate considerations for the cameras were financial and design oriented, Martin says.


13 posted on 04/01/2014 7:29:48 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why do they want a picture of my rearview?


14 posted on 04/01/2014 7:30:45 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I support Joe Carr in the TN GOP Primary against Lamar!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I rented a Corolla a few months ago that had one. Given the low seats and high trunk on most modern cars, I found it really helpful in backing an unfamiliar vehicle. I’m considering retrofitting my old car. I’ve seen stand alone units at the auto parts store, and I’ve seen add-ons for GPS. Certainly more useful than airbags.


15 posted on 04/01/2014 7:31:30 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: TaMoDee

The camera only works when your car is in reverse.


16 posted on 04/01/2014 7:34:27 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Jonty30

I have a camera and its great. You can see things through it that you cannot see through the mirrors or windows.

I don’t think the govt should be mandating them.


17 posted on 04/01/2014 7:34:50 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: doc1019

I have one and use it far more than my mirrors. Far far more. Its a great tool.

The govt will having us in robot cars before long.


18 posted on 04/01/2014 7:36:32 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Hmmm, good response. Mayhap I am wrong in my assumption.


19 posted on 04/01/2014 7:39:11 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019
this will add over a thousand dollars to the price of cars

Only for folks stupid enough to pay list price.

http://www.amazon.com/b?node=1253823011

Or add a camera to a compatible GPS unit for under $150.00

http://www.magellangps.com/Store/RoadMate-Back-up-Camera/Magellan-RoadMate-Wireless-Back-up-Camera

Anything more than $100 is going to be pure profit to the car company and dealer.

20 posted on 04/01/2014 7:41:38 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: doc1019

I thought it was a toy until I bought a car with one. Now I hate driving a car without one. I find myself backing up while staring a dashboard with no video. Doesn’t work too well.


21 posted on 04/01/2014 7:41:48 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

LOL! Until I own one, I guess I should just STHU. And I will.


22 posted on 04/01/2014 7:43:52 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019

I’m not sure where you get the idea this has to add over $1K to the price of the vehicle. You can get a complete system for under $60.


23 posted on 04/01/2014 7:43:54 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood

Just from what I know about government forced add-ons. From all the feedback I’m getting, I guess I’m wrong ...

Not that I have ever been wrong before ... LOL!

One of my strongest reasons for being on FR is the education I receive, all for free!


24 posted on 04/01/2014 7:48:32 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019

http://www.amazon.com/Pyle-PLCM7200-7-Inch-Monitor-Rearview/dp/B000E1PXES/ref=sr_1_17?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1396406550&sr=1-17&keywords=rear+view+camera

$54.96


25 posted on 04/01/2014 7:49:53 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: SeekAndFind

Find out which senators, cabinet members or Obama cronies have a wife, husband, sister or brother involved in the manufaturing, importation and distribution of the cameras.


26 posted on 04/01/2014 7:50:53 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: Kirkwood

Thanks


27 posted on 04/01/2014 7:52:21 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: SeekAndFind
Wonder if I could hook up a VCR to the CRT and watch porn as I drive. B-P /sarc>

They've been talking about this since the 1950's, let the free market decide.
28 posted on 04/01/2014 7:57:26 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: driftdiver

Right on, driftdriver.

The backup cam on my 2008 Pathfinder has so far saved: 2 puppies; 3 pedestrians on their cell phones; and an older Fairlane that had been parked in my blind spot.

But like you, I’d rather see them marketed than mandated.


29 posted on 04/01/2014 8:09:36 PM PDT by Wombat Ark (Love your life, respect your life, and beautify all things in your life. -- Tecumseh)
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To: Nowhere Man; doc1019

You can already stream HD video from your smartphone to your LCD-equipped stereo receiver unit in you car, the same one that displays videos from your cameras.

Also you can control your smartphone and stereo unit via Bluetooth and voice commands or from steering wheel buttons. Make calls, change the station, get nav maps, or GPS in Google Earth or Gaia GPS all with touch or voice commands.

Aftermarket retrofit buy-in price for all this stuff is about $100 from Walmart and it’s a name-brand label: Pioneer. Add Bluetooth cameras powered by your backup light wiring for about $60.

Look, cars are just going to have all this stuff anyway even if government didn’t make a law to mandate it. It’s cheap, works great, and you can even add it to an older car as easy as adding any old new stereo.

$160 to have all this if you have a smartphone already. Maybe $450 if you don’t have a smartphone. It’s just going to get cheaper.


30 posted on 04/01/2014 8:12:58 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid

Considering that I don’t own a smart phone of any kind (I have a basic cell phone) and at my age, I doubt I will ever own anything else. Your explanation and example sounds great, just not something that matches my lifestyle or age.


31 posted on 04/01/2014 8:19:27 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: SeekAndFind
this because current vehicle designs have such poor rear visibility that you can't see out the back, compared to the old ones
32 posted on 04/01/2014 8:20:24 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Josey Wales asks: How is it with stains ?)
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To: doc1019
QUOTE: "When it gets right down to it, this will add over a thousand dollars to the price of cars,"

You are WAY overestimating the cost of a backup camera. They are standard equipment on $18k Honda civics. You can buy the entire setup on eBay for $54.99 shipped. Most cars have LCD screens for the audio/temp control, and adding the backup camera to display on that screen will cost them less that $50.

33 posted on 04/01/2014 8:21:14 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: jimmyray

I just wait for the bump!


34 posted on 04/01/2014 8:22:38 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Consider it the best thing since *sliced bread* on my pickup truck, don't think the government should mandate it however.
Can't beat it for hooking up a boat or any other type of trailer.
35 posted on 04/01/2014 8:29:27 PM PDT by The Cajun (tea party!!!, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
Don't like the mandate. Don't like people looking ahead at their little camera screen while backing up, instead of actually looking (backwards) where they're going.

Hello...sidewalks? Whoever said that is right - by the time the camera picks up a pedestrian or a bicyclist right behind your vehicle, it's probably too late!

Plus, it's one more "electronic" to go wrong.

Plus, that's also why they make "spotting mirrors".

Plus, most newer vehicles (our '06 F150, for example) already have a "beeper" that goes off when you get within 10 feet of anything with your back bumper...it can actually be annoying, if there's a little shrub behind the parking space you're backing into!!

Of course, that's US...we don't drive cars we can't handle, and we use all due care, which is more considerable with the truck's sightlines/mirrors than with my petite '98 Explorer Sport.

We've never run over anything or anyone in any of our cars, with the exception of backing over a bicycle one time ("sans" a person...it was one of our bikes, that we forgot to load) and running over a Crockpot that I set down in the middle of the driveway to open the gate...LOL

SO, I guess the question really is, how much mandated "automating and idiot-proofing" of our vehicles should we have to accept, so incompetent and careless people are permitted to drive?

Or, "kinder, gentler"...if it's a great "option", and affordable, can it just be an "option" (for a small extra price)?!

Why manufacture vehicles where you can't see out the side and rear windows? Or conversely, why BUY a vehicle that you can't see out of? Is that the problem?

Do they have this in France and Germany? (the "Autobahn", you know - HA!)

36 posted on 04/01/2014 8:31:56 PM PDT by 88keys (broken glass GOP; it matters, replace the Dems. 2014!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I was thinking about getting one anyway, for my car. It seems like a very good idea.


37 posted on 04/01/2014 8:38:34 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

There is one on my new car and as the priest I work for says “now I can see who to pick out to back up over” :). I agreed and added I can also see the expression on their face when I do it!


38 posted on 04/02/2014 6:23:22 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (If stupid ever reaches $150 a barrel then I want the drilling rights to Maxine Water's head.)
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To: driftdiver

Yeah I don’t know how I ever parked without one. I have an Infiniti and the sight lines are fantastic and it has saved me in crowded parking lots. They are great.

But as you said the government shouldn’t be mandating them. But they have always mandated things on cars so this is nothing new. I won’t lose any sleep over this.


39 posted on 04/02/2014 6:29:19 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Jonty30

My 2006 Jag S Type has that. Not a camera but a beeper if something is close to the bumper. You definitely notice it cause it is obnoxious. lol


40 posted on 04/02/2014 6:50:28 AM PDT by sheana
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To: SeekAndFind

“Let’s make a law mandating a certain standard, buy the company that supplies said mandate, then retire from Congress millionaires!”


41 posted on 04/02/2014 7:48:06 AM PDT by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Iron Munro
Find out which senators, cabinet members or Obama cronies have a wife, husband, sister or brother involved in the manufaturing, importation and distribution of the cameras.

You nailed it.

42 posted on 04/02/2014 8:03:02 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: The KG9 Kid

True, but I think we need to let the market decide and personally I don’t need all that stuff in a car. I’d like to see a basic car on the market that is more affordable, just the basics. It could have things like A/C, auto transmission and an AM/FM radio but you have manual adjustable seats, crank windows and so on. What we had in 1970/1975 era cars would be OK with me, heck I miss 8-Track. B-) I’m basically “half-arsed Amish” anyways, I’m the guy who still watches a 1982 Zenith TV. B-)


43 posted on 04/02/2014 8:13:51 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Nowhere Man

They only option light trucks like this anymore. Bare necessities like window cranks and non-powered bench seats, etc., but they do exist.


44 posted on 04/02/2014 8:33:15 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid; Nowhere Man
YEAH! Crank windows (and "vent" windows!)...manual trans., bench seat (without those horrid in-curved headrests)...LOL!

Those are hard to find nowadays, although maybe you could factory-order, but somehow I doubt it except on a really small-size truck (i.e., Ford Ranger)...

45 posted on 04/02/2014 1:55:54 PM PDT by 88keys (broken glass GOP; it matters, replace the Dems. 2014!!)
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To: 88keys
I guess that a buyer would be best off trying to see what the fleet sales manager has in inventory, or if they'll add another vehicle to an existing customer's purchase order. Just tag on another similarly equipped light duty truck to the order going in for the Indiana State Dept. of Water Resources, or whatever.

I'm anticipating that such a light truck with window cranks and no radio with A/C is going to come in one of two colors: White, or Safety Orange.

46 posted on 04/02/2014 2:12:18 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: 88keys; The KG9 Kid

Bench seats, I love them too.


47 posted on 04/02/2014 3:55:19 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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