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Ukraine crisis: Poland asks Nato to station 10,000 troops on its territory
The Telegraph UK ^ | April 1, 2014 | Bruno Waterfield, Brussels and Tony Paterson in Berlin

Posted on 04/01/2014 7:53:20 PM PDT by No One Special

Poland asked Nato to station 10,000 troops on its territory on Tuesday as a visible demonstration of the Alliance's resolve to defend all its members after Russia's seizure of Crimea.

Nato foreign ministers met in Brussels to consider requests for soldiers to be deployed in Poland and the Baltic States, all of which share borders with Russia.

Nato generals and admirals have been ordered to devise ways to better protect alliance members that feel threatened by Russia, and "all practical civilian and military cooperation" with Russia.

President Vladimir Putin has massed about 40,000 troops near Ukraine's eastern frontier, giving himself the option of seizing more of his neighbour's territory.

On Monday, he assured Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, that some of these forces would be withdrawn. But the ministers disclosed that Russia had yet to keep this promise.

"We've had some statements from Russia about pulling back forces from the eastern border, but we haven't seen the evidence yet," said William Hague, the Foreign Secretary.

Meanwhile, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the Nato secretary general, said he could not "confirm that Russia is withdrawing its troops" and warned of the dangers posed by a "massive military build-up".

Against this background, Radek Sikorski, the Polish foreign minister, asked for "two heavy brigades" of armoured infantry, with about 5,000 troops each, to be stationed in his country. Poland has a 144-mile border with Russia's Kaliningrad enclave.

"It is very important that all members should enjoy the same level of security," said Mr Sikorski. "Poland has been a member of Nato for 15 years now – and so far the only permanent military institution that we have is a conference centre, training facility. We would welcome a prominent, major presence."

Donald Tusk, the Polish prime minister, has expressed frustration over Nato's reluctance to deploy troops...

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: nato; poland; russia; ukraine

1 posted on 04/01/2014 7:53:20 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

10,000 troops against the Russian juggernaut of over 1.5 million troops?


2 posted on 04/01/2014 7:59:04 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019

1.5 million , but don’t forget they’re Russian


3 posted on 04/01/2014 8:02:55 PM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: molson209

?


4 posted on 04/01/2014 8:07:47 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: No One Special

Quest. How many Poles does it take to stand up to 1.6 million Russian troops?

Ans. ONE


5 posted on 04/01/2014 8:10:34 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: doc1019
The Russians are pretty good, but not a juggernaught. Instead of a NATO base though, what the border countries need is to loosen up the private ownership of firearms. Poland has 38 million people alone. If every Polish head of household owned a rifle, Russia would do absolutely nothing to them.

Russia has some legitimate security concerns, given that they were attacked by Germany and lost tens of millions of people, and yes they still remember that. Given that history, it is stupid to put missles next to them, or airbases, or other threats. They simply feel they have to respond.

But if every head of household in the border countries had a rifle, Russia would stay on its side, and the border countries would stay on theirs. And their isn't much Russia could do about private citizens buying guns in another country.

6 posted on 04/01/2014 8:14:47 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: doc1019

That’s 10,000 more than they have now. The Russians have given them an excuse to station forward positions in Poland.


7 posted on 04/01/2014 8:15:50 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Meanwhile, a few thousand troops would be very useful.


8 posted on 04/01/2014 8:17:34 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: No One Special

Ukraine ultra nationalists vs a Russian ultranationalist Putin. What could possibly go wrong. Any hope for freedom in the Ukraine is quickly slipping away.


9 posted on 04/01/2014 8:23:10 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Vince Ferrer
The Russians are pretty good, but not a juggernaught

If no one apposes them, they are a juggernaught.

Who will appose them? Not our spineless leader. Not the spineless Europeans ... who?

10 posted on 04/01/2014 8:27:40 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: bunkerhill7

11 posted on 04/01/2014 8:29:12 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: doc1019
Who will appose them? Not our spineless leader. Not the spineless Europeans ... who?

Heads of households fighting for their own families and property would have that motivation.

12 posted on 04/01/2014 8:29:15 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Against a well trained, well armed army ... I doubt they would make a difference.


13 posted on 04/01/2014 8:31:36 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019

Poland’s armed forces are well-trained, they have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Plus, they’ll have “Home Field advantage.”


14 posted on 04/01/2014 8:33:06 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

One can but hope.


15 posted on 04/01/2014 8:34:22 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Vince Ferrer

That, plus institute the Swiss model of military service and schutzenfests.


16 posted on 04/01/2014 8:35:07 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Vince Ferrer
"Russia has some legitimate security concerns, given that they were attacked by Germany and lost tens of millions of people, and yes they still remember that. Given that history, it is stupid to put missles next to them, or airbases, or other threats. They simply feel they have to respond. "

I suspect you'll be attacked by a few of the emotional, unthinking folks on FR.

17 posted on 04/01/2014 8:42:24 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: doc1019
Against a well trained, well armed army ... I doubt they would make a difference.

Russia has nukes, an aircraft carrier, airplanes, etc. How much of the big stuff would they use against their neighbors? So far it has been a propaganda war, with very few shots fired, and some fistfights. Russia does not want to lose the propaganda war. They won't carpet bomb Poland. Every neighbor has seen the playbook now. Any further actions will be played out on the internet, with full propaganda, not Stalin sending waves of tanks. This is how heads of households, fighting for their own homes and neighbors, against Russian agents, would succeed. Russians out of uniform would not have an easy time like they just did in Crimea.

18 posted on 04/01/2014 8:50:29 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: dfwgator; Jim Robinson

.......”We’ve had some statements from Russia about pulling back forces from the eastern border, but we haven’t seen the evidence yet,” said William Hague, the Foreign Secretary.”.....

Well how do you pull back troops that aren’t there in the first place.

Jim Maceda Journalist traveled over 1000 miles of the Border between Russia and Ukraine....and documented it. Here are some of his tweets:

Mar 31
...”no need to stage troops - mil bases are 30-40 mi from the border”.... I reported on what I and many others saw and didn’t see along border areas.... From practically on the border to 10 or more miles away, much of our journey paralleled the border just inside Russia.....We stopped at border checkpoints in areas like Kursk and Belgorod, expecting tension so near to E Ukraine, but all was quiet and normal......Putin can just move some APC’s around to ‘create’ a ‘build-up’

“Kremlin says it moved troops around for war games ending 03/31. We only saw troops on bases....... the media is largely responsible for hyping this..... At any given time 50,000 troops in West and South districts protect the borders. No need to ‘amass’......moving troops between various SW Russia bases is not a ‘build-up’

“All of this international hype is completely unfounded,”

We saw no build-up over a 1000mi border. We did see military bases with troops & materiel inside them. Is that build-up?”

And here’s his article printed for NBC news:

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/tour-ukraine-russia-border-finds-no-signs-military-buildup-n67336


19 posted on 04/01/2014 8:54:40 PM PDT by caww
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To: Vince Ferrer

Yet Russia now owns Crimea with nothing but their presents.


20 posted on 04/01/2014 8:55:37 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: No One Special

I’m still waiting for the story about mass numbers of liberal human shields moving into Ukraine territory to protect it from Russian aggression.


21 posted on 04/01/2014 9:43:22 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: clearcarbon

PUTIN WOULD BE A GOOD MEMBER OF THE KLAN. OBAMA?


22 posted on 04/01/2014 10:03:39 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: No One Special

I’m SURE the Dutch, Norwegians, Danes, and Italians will happily take care of this.

OH....
Wait....
They mean US troops, and the US paying for it.


23 posted on 04/01/2014 11:00:37 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf
OH....Wait.... They mean US troops, and the US paying for it

The idea is that Russia won't dare to attack U.S. troops. The number 10 0000 thousand against a full scale invasion will make the them not more than hostages. But the USA would have to engage for Poland.

Anyway the idea of a Russian full-scale attack on Poland is as probable as of asteroid hit.

24 posted on 04/02/2014 12:22:28 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: No One Special; Fred Nerks
Its all happened before at the hands of "peace in our times" coercive utopian liberals with the modern treasonous version now being pseudo Nobel Peace Prize winner, Obama. Just read in the word Crimea below for Czechoslovakia. Obama just sold Crimea and other territory to Russia( territory yet unknown) while posturing at NATO conference as a Nobel Peace Prize winning sage. In truth, Obama is a traitorous bastid, betraying US allies at every turn.

http://www.expats.cz/prague/article/the-czech-republic/czech-pilots-wwii/

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The Munich Agreement, otherwise known as the Munich Pact, was signed on September 30, 1938 between Nazi Germany, France, Italy, and the United Kingdom. With Czechoslovakia having an earlier agreement with France and the United Kingdom to protect it in case of attack or invasion. The relative ease with which the German-speaking regions of Czechoslovakia were handed over to Germany stunned many at the time. It became clear that it was only a matter of time before a military conflict would arrive. The Munich agreement spelled an escalation of hostilities and paved the way for the eventual invasion of Poland in 1939 – i.e. the official beginning of the Second World War.

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Yet the Poles will fight, and they yet again are getting ready,as they did in WWII even after their nation fell and after the coercive utopian Chamberlainists were routed from Europolitik,NOW squaring off with Obama and demanding troops. Obama will act immediately to prevent it. Watch for it.....indicating Obamas traitorous action trade off so Russian will defuse Iran or some such "brilliant" leftist drivel.

 photo czechpilots_zps9ddfbb0a.jpg

Polish and Czech pilots line up on British Aerdrome, after the fall of Poland to the foolishness of Nazi apologists/sympathizers like Neville Chamberlain, our modern day version......the treasonous Obama.

25 posted on 04/02/2014 2:19:32 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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Kennedy would not put extra troops in Europe over Berlin for fear of a direct confrontation and then things spiralling out of control. I have no way of knowing if that was the best decision but I expect the risks were weighed and the decision was reasonable. Ukraine could become a similar situation and we cannot predict what Obama will do. But a wrong step could put us in absolute peril. Who’s to say Obama will make the best decision?


26 posted on 04/02/2014 3:48:47 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: doc1019
Russian active personnel is about half of that. Anyway it's not that 10k troops could defend Poland (which is not under direct threat at the moment anyway) but in case of attack, countries deploying them (like USA) would have to become involved... so logically the risk of attack is decreasing significantly as Russia rather wouldn't risk war with America, besides it would be a signal that NATO is alive and could possibly prevent further annexation of Ukrainian territory. Additionally it's a good opportunity to test how much NATO’s security guarantees are worth (in my opinion nothing and no significant military force will be deployed in Poland) better now than when Russian “peacekeepers” cross Estonian border.
27 posted on 04/02/2014 12:02:26 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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