Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

5 Reasons Obama's 7.1 Million Number Is Meaningless
Big Government ^ | 4/2/2014 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 04/02/2014 2:09:52 AM PDT by markomalley

On Tuesday, President Obama triumphantly announced that, with the power of the mainstream media, Hollywood, and the threat of the IRS, the mission had been accomplished: 7.1 million Americans had selected an Obamacare plan. 

Obama’s tone was nothing short of exuberant: “7.1 million Americans have now signed up for private insurance plans through these market places. 7.1! Yep!” He then went on to criticize those who had expressed objections to Obamacare for its deprivations of plans, doctors, drugs, and liberty: “Why are folks working so hard for people not to have health insurance?”

Now, it was always foolhardy for Republicans and conservatives to stake their objections to Obamacare on the number of sign-ups; Social Security is going bankrupt despite 100% enrollment. The reality is that Obama was always destined to hit his required numbers because, after all, he has the power of government to compel action. The real problem with Obamacare has little to do with the number of people signing up, and a lot to do with the restrictions on insurance companies and reimbursement rates to doctors.

Nonetheless, the 7.1 million statistic is a meaningless one. It’s meaningless for a variety of reasons:

It Doesn’t Measure How Many People Have Actually Paid. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius admitted yesterday that of the 6 million people who had signed up for Obamacare at the time, “What we know from insurance companies…tell us that, for their initial customers, it’s somewhere between 80, 85, some say as high as 90 percent, have paid so far.”

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS:

1 posted on 04/02/2014 2:09:52 AM PDT by markomalley
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: markomalley
“What we know from insurance companies…tell us that, for their initial customers, it’s somewhere between 80, 85, some say as high as 90 percent, have paid so far.”

Then print and source the list if it's real...otherwise take you lies and STFU

2 posted on 04/02/2014 2:14:17 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gaffer

I sit here, a former responsibly individually insured person. March 31 has come and gone, and I have joined the uninsured because of a now unaffordable insurance rate and deductible. To top it, I don’t qualify for subsidy (which I despise, anyway).

There must be millions of other Americans like me. We have now joined the other “30 millions uninsured” obama used as a reason for HIS wonderful law.

obama can pretend for the cameras that we don’t exist, but we do, and he knows it. He is The Destroyer.


3 posted on 04/02/2014 2:58:14 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Gaffer
EVERYTHING Obunghole and his cronies say is a lie. Always.
4 posted on 04/02/2014 3:05:17 AM PDT by jospehm20
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Bluebird Singing

I sympathize with your problem. I hope you find something that suits you soon.


5 posted on 04/02/2014 3:08:11 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

From Wikipedia:
“Kevin Mark Trudeau (born February 6, 1963) is a convicted American fraud artist, author, radio personality, infomercial host, and salesman who promotes various unsubstantiated health, diet and financial “remedies”. Several of his books, including Natural Cures “They” Don’t Want You to Know About, allege that both the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the pharmaceutical industry value profit over treatments or cures.

Trudeau’s activities have been the subject of both criminal and civil action. He was convicted of larceny and credit card fraud in the early 1990s, and in 1998 he was sued by U.S. Federal Trade Commission (FTC) for making false or misleading claims in infomercials promoting his book.”

A guy writes a diet book and is convicted of fraud but the Libs lie repeatedly in order to rewrite healthcare and it’s hailed as a “a big F’ing deal.”


6 posted on 04/02/2014 3:17:13 AM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

What do you expect from the A-hole republicans,they are complicit in this mess as well,there were opportunities along the way to defund this monstrosity,they glided,they want it as bad as the Democrats,notice how now they will not repeal it,they will replace it,GO TO HELL republicans,I don’t want government bureaucrat running my health care,PERIOD


7 posted on 04/02/2014 3:32:39 AM PDT by ballplayer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley
Headline should read:

5 MILLION reasons Obama's 7.1 million number is meaningless

8 posted on 04/02/2014 3:38:16 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

The main reason it’s meaningless is because it’s meaningless. It’s a random number pulled out of the cosmos.


9 posted on 04/02/2014 3:48:52 AM PDT by stevem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

Everything about Obamacare is bad!


10 posted on 04/02/2014 3:50:07 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Bluebird Singing

Simple answer, the fundamental transformation in this situation is this: those with insurance before 2009 no longer have it because it was made too expensive and invasive. Meanwhile, they have been replaced on the insurance rolls by those who did not have it before because they are being subsidized to buy it. Kind of a shell game.

BTW, this is a win win for the insurance companies. If they lose money, virtually impossible under the rules, the government bails them out. Meanwhile, the taxpayers pay more taxes (or more debt) plus those who had insurance before either don’t have it now or pay more for what they did have with about 50% of the benefits of having it.

Welcome to Obamaland where up is down, down is up and social justice rules.


11 posted on 04/02/2014 4:01:36 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Gaffer

Thank you, Gaffer, but there is nothing out there to find.


12 posted on 04/02/2014 4:04:03 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Mouton

Yep. You are absolutely correct.


13 posted on 04/02/2014 4:05:45 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: markomalley
The reality is that Obama was always destined to hit his required numbers because, after all, he has the power of government to compel action

And to pull numbers outta his a$$.

14 posted on 04/02/2014 4:17:17 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 13: 33)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stevem
The main reason it’s meaningless is because it’s meaningless. It’s a random number pulled out of the cosmos.

You said it more politely than I did at #14.

15 posted on 04/02/2014 4:20:44 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 13: 33)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

Ok. So if 7.1 million people decide to jump off of a bridge, does that mean you should too?
.


16 posted on 04/02/2014 4:21:37 AM PDT by paint_your_wagon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mouton
Simple answer, the fundamental transformation in this situation is this: those with insurance before 2009 no longer have it because it was made too expensive and invasive. Meanwhile, they have been replaced on the insurance rolls by those who did not have it before because they are being subsidized to buy it. Kind of a shell game.

BTW, this is a win win for the insurance companies. If they lose money, virtually impossible under the rules, the government bails them out. Meanwhile, the taxpayers pay more taxes (or more debt) plus those who had insurance before either don’t have it now or pay more for what they did have with about 50% of the benefits of having it.

You said it all, in two concise paragraphs.

17 posted on 04/02/2014 4:24:07 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 13: 33)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: outofsalt

I am surprised that half of the advertisers on talk radio aren’t in prison.


18 posted on 04/02/2014 4:26:33 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Mouton

I disagree. The number claimed is likely at least half and probably 6/10 people that had insurance and lost it. The other fraction might be those that had no insurance before.

Once they understand that they have no insurance because the premium and deductable combined effectively mean there is no insurance, they will drop it. They are getting nothing for theri money. The question should not be have they paid the premium but if they paid the second and third pemiums


19 posted on 04/02/2014 4:32:27 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: markomalley
Where's the next?


20 posted on 04/02/2014 4:36:31 AM PDT by McGruff (prop.a.gan.da - information of a biased or misleading nature)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

If 42 million people were uninsured, then how is insuring seven million a success?


21 posted on 04/02/2014 4:46:12 AM PDT by yawningotter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yawningotter

If half or 2/3 were insured but cancelled, the number becomes even worse. It is worse.

The intent was not met....... epic faiI


22 posted on 04/02/2014 4:47:57 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

Obama said the debate over this is now over, he won.


23 posted on 04/02/2014 5:06:38 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

24 posted on 04/02/2014 5:21:40 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bert

I think you also need consider the gross number by the bumster probably includes those who were shunted on to expanded medicaid.

IOW, these numbers all all sham and anyone who follows them is looking at the trees, not the forest.


25 posted on 04/02/2014 5:25:44 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: markomalley
"It's not the number of insured that counts, it's those who count the number of uninsured that count."


26 posted on 04/02/2014 5:45:41 AM PDT by John 3_19-21 (The rats will always chew on each other just before abandoning ship.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FRiends


Click the Pic


Support Free Republic

27 posted on 04/02/2014 5:53:16 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

Au contraire, mon ami.

Can we all stop pretending Obamacare has anything to do with providing healthcare or even health insurance coverage?

Now. Stop. Even the pundits on the conservative side.

The 7.1 millions number comes in handy to swing elections.


28 posted on 04/02/2014 5:58:52 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley
“Why are folks working so hard for people not to have health insurance?”

#1 - I HATE the word "folks", and doubly so when it is spoken by politicians.

#2 - Orwell could not have written a more Orwellian character than Obama.

29 posted on 04/02/2014 6:05:14 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley
7 mill, what is that, 2% of the population? Wow, it's an overwhelming success. Only 1% of the population had health insurance in the past and now it's all the way up to 2%, pop the champagne bottles.

"Ya'll made my Obamacare a success! You and you and you!"


30 posted on 04/02/2014 6:22:59 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Republican has "I can" at the end. Democrat has "rat". Any questions?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: McGruff

Oh man that was freakin’ awesome when he did that! YOU LIE! LOL LOL! And he was right!


31 posted on 04/02/2014 6:25:17 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Republican has "I can" at the end. Democrat has "rat". Any questions?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Clown Prince nobama hates you, hates your Freedom, hates your family, hates your initiative, hates Free America, hates Free Americans, hates Truth and Honesty, hates the Constitution, hates the Bill of Rights and hates the Rule of Law. nobama is a hate crime foisted upon Free America. nobama is the " Destroyer". Everything nobama does is intentional. God help us all.
32 posted on 04/02/2014 6:28:55 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: markomalley; All
'The debate over repealing this law is over': Obama boasts 7.1 MILLION have signed up to Obamacare - but study shows just 858,000 newly insured Americans have paid up!

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594309/President-plans-victory-lap-strong-Obamacare-enrollment-Sebelius-faces-unpopular-law-blank-stare-tough-questions-remain-whos-signing-up.html#ixzz2xjhirl6C Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


33 posted on 04/02/2014 6:48:07 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (The democRATic party preys on the ignorant..!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mouton

Obama’s policies have a common theme - not of raising up the have-nots, but whacking the crap out of the haves.


34 posted on 04/02/2014 6:50:13 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

I wonder how many of these sign ups were done by Acorn? Voter fraud?


35 posted on 04/02/2014 7:09:51 AM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: markomalley

7.1 million is like all the rest of Obama’s numbers bogus if was true you would see the number of how many paid in.
Now he has to come up with another scam to make it look like people did pay in new taxes/fee to ensue big time.


36 posted on 04/02/2014 7:46:59 AM PDT by Vaduz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson