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U.S. Army Cutting Live-Fire Training
Military.com ^ | March 27, 2014 | Matthew Cox

Posted on 04/02/2014 3:13:00 AM PDT by kingattax

U.S. Army leaders told lawmakers today that the service will have to spend less on live-fire maneuver training as a result of the deep cuts to defense spending under sequestration.

Service leaders have been warning Congress for months that these cuts are forcing the Army to cut readiness training. A slightly clearer explanation of what cutting readiness training will mean to combat units emerged during a March 27 hearing before the House Appropriations Committee’s Defense Subcommittee.

“It has come to my attention … that in our budget in the area of marksmanship training for our personnel, both active and Guard, that the funding is being reduced by about 60 percent,” Rep Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio, who represents the Ohio Army National Guard’s Camp Perry Joint Training Center, told senior Army officials.

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1 posted on 04/02/2014 3:13:00 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

So, no live fire training for the US forces to become proficient at killing a foreign enemy, but the DHS, IRS, EPA, HHS, USPS, ATF, DEA all get billions of rounds of hollow point ‘training ammo?”

One wonders just who the enemy these non-DoD agencies are training to kill?


2 posted on 04/02/2014 3:19:30 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: kingattax

Military cannot fire back anyway,
except at American civilians — per the undocumented
First Moslem Tyrant.


3 posted on 04/02/2014 3:22:34 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: kingattax

Reloading the EBT cards is more important...


4 posted on 04/02/2014 3:23:12 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: kingattax

“U.S. Army leaders told lawmakers today that the service will have to spend less on live-fire maneuver training as a result of the deep cuts to defense spending under sequestration. “

An army soldier told me during Clinton’s later years the guys standing guard went into town and bought their own M-16 ammo as the base had run out. When Bush took over he had his office call the presidents of the bullets and bomb companies and tell them, “Go to 24 hour shifts. We’ll talk price when the president takes office.” (I was at GD when this happened.) They did and he did. Clinton had literally used up all the bullets and bombs and not replaced them. Stealing from training and readiness so they can use the funding for something else is a Democrat standard procedure.


5 posted on 04/02/2014 3:24:59 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: kingattax


6 posted on 04/02/2014 3:27:48 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Gen.Blather

During those years there was a number of times my kids ship could not go out on training - could not afford fuel.


7 posted on 04/02/2014 3:31:45 AM PDT by billphx
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To: kingattax
We're almost there! The liberals will finally stop in their attempts to destroying our country. (Kidding)


8 posted on 04/02/2014 3:32:32 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: kingattax

Maybe they could borrow ammo from Homeland Security.


9 posted on 04/02/2014 3:33:48 AM PDT by dforest
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To: kingattax

The good news is that, with Obama’s new policies in place, the services will be able to spend more than before on classes in Interior Decoration.


10 posted on 04/02/2014 3:38:16 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: dforest

Might as well cut training with live fire, odumbo doesn’t want our soldiers shooting all his muzzie friends with real bullets either. Why waste ammunition?

Then there IS all that ammo the NSA and others have stockpiled to use agains’t US. Why not use that stuff for practice?


11 posted on 04/02/2014 3:40:00 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: kingattax

What could go wrong?


12 posted on 04/02/2014 3:43:52 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Progov

Maybe we should start a rumor that they will be donating their ammo to the newly formed (per thread yesterday) MB/CAIR sponsored US political party?


13 posted on 04/02/2014 3:47:47 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: kingattax

“Of the four wars of my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong” - President Ronald Reagan


14 posted on 04/02/2014 3:48:16 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: Gaffer

The civil agencies will perform the same functions as the German SS did. They will act as the civilian police when the military refuses to fire upon American citizens. Hence, the continuing weakening of the military.


15 posted on 04/02/2014 3:48:42 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: Gen.Blather
When our son was in BCIT - just after Clinton left office and right before 9/11 - there were still some NCOs buying 5.56 with their own funds to help train new recruits. As you said: it is Democrat SOP.

(Also SOP is that the Democrats' "Free Sh*t Army" never has to forego EBT training, Section 8 training, preference training, community organizing training, perpetual grievance training, etc.)

Mr. niteowl77

16 posted on 04/02/2014 3:53:23 AM PDT by niteowl77 ("Why do we go to Iowa? Because that's where the suckers are.")
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To: kingattax

Don’t worry, Obama has a new secret weapons program that relies heavily on John Kerry’s aggressive diplomacy and liberal use of spit balls.


17 posted on 04/02/2014 3:55:18 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: kingattax

I wonder how much we are spending on day care centers?


18 posted on 04/02/2014 4:00:10 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: kingattax

They don’t want the military to be a threat to Obama’s DHS cadres.


19 posted on 04/02/2014 4:49:20 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: kingattax

...and yet, DoD still has money to spend on Green initiatives and transgender outreach.


20 posted on 04/02/2014 4:56:18 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: markomalley

I think someone should POINT OUT that once before, because of an aversion to spending money on the “warmongers” the United States was lucky not to lose a war.
After the Depression, in the 1930’s, the U.S. Navy was so restricted regarding “live ammo” expenditure that torpedoes fired by U.S. subs were not, in practice, as fired in war.
The navy did NOT know that the practice shots, not “LIVE” and not blown up, were quite a bit lighter than the actual war shots.
In the early part of the war, submarine warfare was a failure, more lethal to US subs than their Japanese targets.
Our torpedoes ran much deeper than desired settings, and thus tragically UNDER their targets. How many U.S. subs were lost, with their crews, specifically because of this.
Many of those that actually hit did not explode due to malfunctioning UNTESTED firing mechanisms. Only when “WAR” shots were fired into depth marked nets off Hawaii, was the problem realized and corrections made.
Then our “silent service” proceeded to do the job they had not been allowed to do.
One could say, “History is repeating itself.”


21 posted on 04/02/2014 5:36:50 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: Gaffer

Ugh. This a hole really is Carter II. When I entered the USAF reserve in 79 it was all simulators and “managers”. We couldn’t fight our way out of a box. By the time I entered active duty in 83, the whole atmosphere had changed. It was Fly and Fight and Win, and they wanted Warriors not managers. Sadly, I don’t see Reagan coming to our rescue again.


22 posted on 04/02/2014 5:43:22 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Gaffer

“One wonders just who the enemy these non-DoD agencies are training to kill?”

Look in a mirror and you will see one.

A thoroughly dangerous desperado obviously that dares to speak out against the “Chosen One”.


23 posted on 04/02/2014 5:53:11 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: kingattax

Just saying, we buy way too much imported goods.

America’s manufacturing backbone has been sold out.

As a result, we import what used to be made in America. This is not just a change. America no longer runs the economy, it once did.

By shipping our manufacturing base offshore, we have sold out our own country.

Our country no longer has the manufacturing base it had. We have sent it in large part, to COMMUNIST CHINA.

So China now is growing leaps and bounds. Chinese investors are buying up America.

Yet the GOP continues to protest what is in large part, a result of this sell-out.

Our economy is in trouble, precisely because we have sold our manufacturing base to foreigners.

America we need to make the things we buy, right here in America.

Bring back American manufacturing.

Stop buying everything imported.


24 posted on 04/02/2014 5:59:56 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: kingattax

Why even have a military if you’re going to prohibit them from War Training and practice?

This is the new “common sense” under the Kenyan...


25 posted on 04/02/2014 6:11:11 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: IMR 4350

Smile when you say that, Pardner! :o)


26 posted on 04/02/2014 6:31:19 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Kozak
Ugh. This a hole really is Carter II.

I remember the carter years well. We were going to the Cann point to get cotter pins, bolts and other common hardware. We used idiot sticks to cut grass, because the military did not want to use gas that was needed to move equipment.

27 posted on 04/02/2014 6:39:05 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: kingattax

Beginning to sound exactly like when I joined during the Carter Administration.


28 posted on 04/02/2014 6:43:18 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: kingattax

Troops need to sweat a lot during training, so they won’t bleed a lot during battle.


29 posted on 04/02/2014 6:58:32 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: kingattax

In Obama’s military, it is acceptable for soldiers to train in the same way young boys used to play (before such became socially unacceptable) in neighborhoods around the country, by just running around with a finger pointed out, going “pew! pew! pew!.... aht..aht..aht..aht.. pew! pew! pew!”


30 posted on 04/02/2014 7:22:29 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: kingattax

Why don’t they just buy simulation software to practice marksmanship. It’s a good bet that if they did the software would crash often and cost more than the bullets they “saved.”


31 posted on 04/02/2014 7:54:11 AM PDT by CPOSharky (If a libtards lips are moving...)
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To: kingattax

Makes perfect sense, given the rules of engagement in effect today.


32 posted on 04/02/2014 8:10:49 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: CPOSharky

They have and it does, Chief.


33 posted on 04/02/2014 4:36:20 PM PDT by Anoreth (It is not moth eaten. It is superb.)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Well that is only half the Story the other Problem that did not come about due to the lax testing was that the magnetic Pistol Exploders were not working and that contact firing pins were too weak to work with a “good” hit! Cutting the military only costs lives! The Torpedoes were not fully reliable till late 1943! if you wish to live in peace you must prepare for war!


34 posted on 04/03/2014 9:25:25 AM PDT by ArmyRetired
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To: kingattax

Just saying.

Our military budget is shrinking, because our economy is shrinking, because we have exported so many American jobs to other countries.

Bring back American jobs.

Now.


35 posted on 04/03/2014 9:27:32 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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