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Carville: O-Care a winning bet for Dems
The Hill ^ | 04/01/14 | James Carville

Posted on 04/02/2014 9:06:59 AM PDT by Kenny

Earlier this year I took to the pages of The Hill to encourage Democratic strategists to focus on what conditions would look like in November, and not be demoralized by what they look like in February and March. I pushed them to act like they were running the fast break in the NCAA tournament and to throw the lead pass, and to have some confidence that conditions would improve. And it sure does seem, if you look at the latest ABC/Washington Post poll, that the receiver of that pass has moved somewhat.

Focusing on the biggest issue, ObamaCare, we can see in the ABC/Post poll significant gains in support of the healthcare reform law. Although the electorate is split with 49 percent supporting the healthcare law and 48 percent opposing, those are much better numbers than what we saw in November, when an ABC/Washington Post survey found only 40 percent in support of the law and 57 percent in opposition.

Just like two weeks ago, the current numbers are probably going to change, so you have to continue to focus on the trajectory and the destination, which is November. How mobilized will Democratic support be for ObamaCare then?

While the numbers in the ABC/Post poll are looking up and the trajectory is looking better, let’s not get too optimistic without seeing the defense when we throw that lead pass.

After Alex Sink was sunk in the Florida special congressional race in February, my fellow Democratic strategists went back to their get-out-the-vote strategy and feared another 1994 or 2010 landslide election for the GOP. Well, Democratic voters might now be motivated to stand by the administration’s top legislative achievement more than ever — the same ABC/Post poll found that Democratic support for ObamaCare has reached 76 percent, which is up 11 percentage points from January. My fellow Democrats feared we didn’t have a motivating issue ... well, Republican opposition to the law, to no one’s surprise, is at 78 percent.

I like being on the side of healthcare consumer. I think that is a winning argument for Democrats.

This past weekend was the Louisiana Derby, and with the Kentucky Derby on the horizon, I have been making some bets lately. One bet I made recently was with my friend Bill O’Reilly at Fox News, about the future and fate of ObamaCare. He gave the reform law a 25 percent chance of success, and among his colleagues, that might make him the most optimistic. Even on his show I was a critic of the Affordable Care Act rollout. I even called it a “disaster,” which it was. But I took that bet. And now, could somebody say the Congressional Budget Office, the federal government, and administration healthcare officials got the number of enrollees pretty right?

Well, here is a shout-out to those who don’t often get a shout-out: great job.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; democratcare; donkeycare; jackasscare; obamacare; zerocare
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Propaganda everywhere, I've several pieces in NYT, the Post, and major networks on how they've turned this around and what a success it is.

Just hope their constant brain-battering doesn't fool the people - again.

1 posted on 04/02/2014 9:06:59 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: Kenny

Oh really now?


2 posted on 04/02/2014 9:08:16 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Kenny

The thing is, just about everyone I know has at least one friend or family member who has been harmed by Obamacare. Propaganda is useless in the face of that.


3 posted on 04/02/2014 9:10:07 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Kenny

As it so spectacularly successful we should be celebrating it successes. Now more people only work 29 hours per week and have more time to spend at home to tuck in the kids at night. Every Democrat should be boasting of this step forward and claiming their share of credit!


4 posted on 04/02/2014 9:10:55 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Kenny

Koolaid drinkers. FUBAR.


5 posted on 04/02/2014 9:10:58 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Kenny
Who gives a crap what these wastes of skin pundits tell us about anything?

The facts are the facts. The ACA is a disaster for any working person.

6 posted on 04/02/2014 9:11:18 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Kenny

Wonder it feels like to be a liberal…..in the press…..or punditry….knowing that you have to lie your ever loving ass off every single day. These have to be dark, unhappy evil beings.

No way a decent person could even do that, one day, let alone day in day out year in year out.


7 posted on 04/02/2014 9:11:29 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: piytar

And I have yet to hear someone say

“The policy I received through the exchange is cheaper, has lower deductibles, offers more doctor and hospital choice than my old crappy policy.”

NOT ONE!


8 posted on 04/02/2014 9:11:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kenny
Carville: O-Care a winning bet for Dems

Then, name me ONE incumbent who's running on that issue, Jimmy.

9 posted on 04/02/2014 9:12:38 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Kenny
I like being on the side of healthcare consumer. I think that is a winning argument for Democrats.

i, like many other healthcare consumers, have watched my premiums skyrocket the past three years and benefits drop....the democraps are not on my side...
10 posted on 04/02/2014 9:14:24 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“punditry….knowing that you have to lie your ever loving ass off every single day. These have to be dark, unhappy evil beings.”

Couldn’t have said it better.


11 posted on 04/02/2014 9:15:20 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Puppage

Never underestimate a democrat’s childlike ability to suspend disbelief for the time it takes to cast a vote.


12 posted on 04/02/2014 9:15:27 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: C. Edmund Wright

They don’t think they’re lying.

They live in an alternate reality.

If directly confronted with this, they react with explosive rage.


13 posted on 04/02/2014 9:17:09 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Kenny

That ABC poll is propaganda. Period.

Carville wants to treat it as factual? Fine.

He can go back on CNN and put a trash can on his head again.


14 posted on 04/02/2014 9:17:12 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Kenny

Mr. Carville, the ONLY thing you should run on is Obamacare. NOTHING else.


15 posted on 04/02/2014 9:19:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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Why aren’t the Democrats fed up with being lied to? They do know this lie is for them and not the voter that already knows it’s poison.


16 posted on 04/02/2014 9:19:47 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Kenny

So, they will reinstate the employer mandate by the end of the week? How cool is that!

Wait, they’re not going to do that? Why not?


17 posted on 04/02/2014 9:21:00 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Kenny
Propaganda everywhere,

The local news broadcast (KOMO Seattle) ran a opinion survey (not scientific, I know) on whether you trust the government and Obama to manage healthcare.

My last look showed over 65% saying NO.

18 posted on 04/02/2014 9:21:06 AM PDT by llevrok (F the government)
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To: Kenny
Did the Cintons loan their ankle-biter to Obama?


19 posted on 04/02/2014 9:23:05 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The future ain't what it use to be -- Yogi Berra)
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To: Kenny
Just like the 2012 elections... everything is swimmingly, jolly good! Vote Demoncrat to keep it that way... These people are monsters, or lizards in Carville's case
20 posted on 04/02/2014 9:23:56 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: dps.inspect

With all the death and destruction from the mud-slides in Washington, how come the President has not visited the location? Does he hate those people?


21 posted on 04/02/2014 9:32:19 AM PDT by edcoil (Not a single republican was ever a slave owner. They were all democrats.)
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To: Kenny

I guess people are surprised that the media is lying in order to cover for Obama.

And I suppose they’ll back off the, “oh just sit down and shut up and let Obamacare implode and we’ll take over”.

Mmm. With Rand “oh yes, Senator Cruz is on the wrong path with the defunding idea” Paul.

But they’ll be quiet about it.

Idiots.


22 posted on 04/02/2014 9:33:03 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Biggirl

Its a winning bet in that they just created another batch of Gov’t parasites dependent on the Government Party, regardless of the cost.


23 posted on 04/02/2014 9:35:40 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: MrB

I do not know one person who has even signed up for it. Do you?


24 posted on 04/02/2014 9:35:42 AM PDT by formosa
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To: formosa

No, I don’t either.
But I haven’t even HEARD of anyone, anywhere, that’s better off than they were (if they had a policy before).


25 posted on 04/02/2014 9:37:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kenny

Gosh it sure is a winner Mr. Carville!

We sure hope you don’ use dat ol’ Obamacare against us next election! You would sure win if you did.

You can do anything to us just don’ run on Obamacare!


26 posted on 04/02/2014 9:38:34 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: Kenny

And when the actual numbers of new and old “insureds” comes out, they’ll all have egg on their ugly azz faces

Esp Serpent Carville


27 posted on 04/02/2014 9:40:16 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Hey 2008, we told you so)
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To: Kenny

“O-care a winning bet for Dems”

Sure it is, James. Sure it is. And I hope all your Dem buddies running in November take your words to heart and spend all of their precious propaganda bandwidth touting their instrumental vote for this wonderful law and/or their objection to repealing and replacing it. In fact, given what a great thing Obamacare is for the Dems, I really don’t understand why they are so upset about all of the Americans for Prosperity TV ads right now giving the Dems full credit for Obamacare. One would think the Dems would be jumping with joy about those ads, since they so clearly show the role of the Dems in jamming Obamacare down the throats of the people. I mean, really, these ads are just explaining to the people what a winning issue Obamacare is, pretty much like you are recommending, right?


28 posted on 04/02/2014 9:41:36 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: PGR88

But also it can also fire up enough angry voters against Obamacare and create a factor in the Dems losing the Senate.


29 posted on 04/02/2014 9:47:56 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
when the actual numbers of new and old “insureds” comes out

Only the actual numbers never will come out.

Who's going to put them out? Not the Democrats. Not the insurance companies, whose lifeblood now depends on unending flow of taxpayer dollars.

The Republicans? Come on.

IMO we now live in the early stages of a soviet-style goverment, with enrollment numbers always reaching the desired number, with five-year plans always exceeding hopes, with joy and prosperity and good news never ending, until it does.

30 posted on 04/02/2014 9:49:56 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey

O ye of so little faith

A campaign issue like this? Self interest will drive the pols and certain parts of the media to pursue this. And the ins cos are going to lose their asses, they’ll sing.


31 posted on 04/02/2014 9:52:15 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Hey 2008, we told you so)
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To: Biggirl
But also it can also fire up enough angry voters against Obamacare and create a factor in the Dems losing the Senate.

....to Republicans who will come in and ultimately do nothing about it.

32 posted on 04/02/2014 9:52:34 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Kenny

So the Red Skull thinks this is a good idea? he was also the one holding down juanita broderick.


33 posted on 04/02/2014 9:58:19 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: piytar; Kenny; All
I gotta go with piytar here.

Normally the issues that people hear about and vote on are these nebulous things far off in the distance in someone elses back yard.

Not so this issue. All they gotta do is look at their bank books. They have have to remember if their doctor is the one they've been seeing for 25 years, or some new old slug or young squirt that they never heard of before.

This issue is something EVERYONE can understand.

I read one guys discussion of facebook's healthcare.gov site:

Gonna axe the vacations.

Gonna axe his and the wife's once a year weekend absolute splurge for their anniversary.

Kids braces are gonna have to be put off.

No. This is an issue with some BITE! If the Party of Stupid has the balls to use it as it should be used!

Which I figure is a 50/50 chance.

34 posted on 04/02/2014 9:58:44 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (An army of deer led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions, led by a deer.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

The media? Really?

Where have they been so far?

Where have they been on the economy? Where have they been on the disastrous state of race relations in the U.S., or the culture in general? Where are they on the smoking ruins of U.S. foreign policy?

Where is your media on Obama’s lies, on Benghazi, on the IRS hounding conservatives, on the knockout game, on black mobs in the streets?

Who did you hear disputing the preposterous “7.l million” enrollees figure yesterday, beyond the few conservative outlets that you and I turn to?

The media? You mean the serious conservative media that the great masses of America, young and old, turn to daily? Come, as I say, on.

I have faith, but not in ongoing political, social, educational and economic catastrophe that is the U.S. today.


35 posted on 04/02/2014 10:01:25 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Kenny

He’s trying desperately to get fellow Demonicrats to “whistle past the graveyard!”


36 posted on 04/02/2014 10:01:35 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Bill Clinton, America's 1st Black President… Obama, IS the LAST!!!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Yes.

Keep in mind that the ABC poll doesn’t use the terms ACA or Obamacare. It asks about support for the vague notion of govenment changes to healthcare.

It also includes a very broad sample. Not even just registered voters, let alone likely ones.


37 posted on 04/02/2014 10:01:54 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Kenny

Not in Kansas: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/04/02/Report-Kansas-Hospital-Lays-Off-Employees-Due-to-ObamaCare

Not in Connecticut: http://www.nhregister.com/general-news/20140307/seniors-doctors-lawmakers-rail-against-unitedhealthcare-changes

Not in Oregon: http://www.nationalreview.com/human-exceptionalism/363473/oregon-tightens-duty-die-cancer-patients-wesley-j-smith

Not with union members: http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/obamacare-59/

Not with cancer patients: http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/01/anti-obamacare-cancer-patient-attacked-by-reid-now-receiving-death-wishes-from-liberals/

Not in New York: http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/04/report-new-yorkers-forced-to-choose-between-groceries-and-obamacare/

Not in Vegas (but what happens in Vegas . . .): http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2014/03/30/ap-ignores-why-vegas-culinary-workers-have-voted-strike-obamacare

Not with Hobby Lobby and other small businesses: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/03/did_justice_kagan_embarrass_herself_during_the_hobby_lobby_oral_arguments.html

Not with the former employees of businesses killed by ObamaCare: http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/03/yankee-one-dollar-closing-remaining-stores-due-to-obamacare/ http://wnyt.com/article/stories/S3374998.shtml

Not with working Americans who get their 2015 ObamaCare prices just before the election: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-obamacare-deadline-rates-20140330,0,5708594.story#axzz2xRpxE5pf

Not with faithful Catholics: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/georgia-catholic-organizations-win-permanent-exclusion-from-obamacare-birth

I agree with SnakeHead - Democrats should run on ObamaCare, proudly boasting that they voted for it and that they will insist that the law be enforced by our friends in the IRS exactly as written.


38 posted on 04/02/2014 10:04:50 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Fightin Whitey

Ok but Im not going to endlessly debate with you because your mind is made up. Nevertheless:

You don’t watch Fox? They’ve been beating the crap out of commiecare? Even the “news” programs were skeptical of the numbers.

The polls? obambi is sinking like a rock? The Fraud formerly known as The Messiah? Give me a break, he’s poision

The pols? They’re running from The Fraud at the speed of lightning.

Where was Sebilius yesterday if this was such a great comeback?


39 posted on 04/02/2014 10:06:51 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Hey 2008, we told you so)
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To: Kenny

I feel like I’m through the looking glass. Obamacare is a success? The lies, the constant lies, and the depth of the lies, it’s just demoralizing. Is there not one politician who will stand up and call a spade a spade and say we need to get rid of this abomination? I mean totally get rid of it.


40 posted on 04/02/2014 10:10:22 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Puppage
Carville: O-Care a winning bet for Dems. Then, name me ONE incumbent who's running on that issue, Jimmy.

Maybe that's their strategy, to let the pols run against Obamacare but act like they for it on a national level.

This is one thing that cracks me up about the "All politics is local" mantra. Today, all, and I mean all politics are national. They get in office and don't even check back on their constituents, just another party vote.

41 posted on 04/02/2014 10:10:47 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: A_Former_Democrat
lol. Did you see her deer-in-the-headlights look yesterday when someone told her that people didn't like o'care?

It was precious

42 posted on 04/02/2014 10:11:17 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (An army of deer led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions, led by a deer.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Well then you are winning.

So no worries. Bill O’Reilly, Karl Rove and the rest of the media will carry you to glory!

(By the way, prescient as you are, let me know who will replace Obama, Reid, McConnell and Boehner in the coming months and years and get this country back on track...a little self-interest here, I want to put some money down on the triumphant future awaiting us!....)


43 posted on 04/02/2014 10:15:42 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
I hated Carville in the original "The Hills Have Eyes". Thanks Kenny, related: Quinnipiac poll puts Obama approval at 42/50, ObamaCare at 41/55.
44 posted on 04/02/2014 10:29:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Obama is now making Jimmy Carter look like Attila the Hun. /focus/news/3138768/posts)
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To: piytar

Quote: “The thing is, just about everyone I know has at least one friend or family member who has been harmed by Obamacare. Propaganda is useless in the face of that.”

As much as I never underestimate the stupidity of the low information crowd, I believe you are spot on. It is one thing to lie about a distant event, such as the Iraq War. Not everyone could reach out and touch that. The masses accepted the reality through the media filter.

It is quite another matter when you can reach out and touch the story every damn day.


45 posted on 04/02/2014 10:38:09 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: Kenny

The Dems will just blame the problems of ACA on the Republicans and their intentions. It will never work, but that doesn’t matter.
“Idiocracy” in real life.


46 posted on 04/02/2014 10:47:50 AM PDT by griswold3 ("Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".)
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To: Kenny

Obamacare is a winning bet for the democrats, Jimbo?

Sure it is, sure it is.

Next he’ll be telling us Pamela Anderson is a virgin.


47 posted on 04/02/2014 11:08:48 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: Kenny
SerpentHead is lying. Harry Reid and the democRATS have the new strategy of viciously attacking the Koch brothers. Why?

Because their political strategy of defeating incumbent democRATS over 0bamacare has been incredibly successful.

48 posted on 04/02/2014 11:20:45 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Kenny
I could sell dog shit to seven million Americans if I could threaten the IRS on them if they didn't buy the dog shit.

AND - even better if I could fine each one of them a percent of their annual incomes (adjusted up for inflation each year) if they didn't buy... Hell, I could even charge shipping and handling...

The only thing better would be if I could turn over the names of those who don't buy to 'homeland' for a little up-tight and personal 'persuasion'... Yep, seven million happy customers buying dog shit... and if I was a dem I could brag about it.

49 posted on 04/02/2014 11:57:37 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2012/12/12/u-s-physicist-tom-fife-obama-was-groomed-to-be-president-)
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To: Puppage
Carville: O-Care a winning bet for Dems...

Then, name me ONE incumbent who's running on that issue, Jimmy.

I'm with Carville on this one - dems should run on ObamaCare and ONLY Obamacare... It's a *winner.

*for conservatives...

50 posted on 04/02/2014 12:16:30 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2012/12/12/u-s-physicist-tom-fife-obama-was-groomed-to-be-president-)
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