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DETROIT POLICE STAND WITH CITIZENS WHO ARE USING GUNS FOR SELF-DEFENSE
Breitbart Big Government ^ | 31 Mar 2014 | AWR HAWKINS

Posted on 04/02/2014 10:13:50 PM PDT by kingattax

With "fatal self-defense shootings on the rise in Detroit," law-abiding citizens know one thing--Detroit police have their back.

According to The Detroit News, "justified" self-defense shootings in Detroit are hovering around 10 since January 1st.

This is up considerably from 2013, in which "there were 15 justifiable [self-defense shootings] in the city" during the entire year.

And far from criticizing the fact that more and more homeowners are standing up for their lives and property, Detroit Police Chief James Craig said he views this rebirth of self-defense as proof that"more and more Detroiters are becoming empowered."

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; detroit; michigan

1 posted on 04/02/2014 10:13:50 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

I’m pleasantly surprised to hear this.


2 posted on 04/02/2014 10:55:05 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: kingattax

Great news, but remember.....

When you shoot someone from a protected ethnic group, the Police are not your friend.

Give them your photo ID, phone number, employer, and Social Security number.

Then - polite silence.

No matter what the Police want, no matter what they say to you, you have one response:

“I want to speak to my lawyer, please.”


3 posted on 04/02/2014 11:29:00 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: kingattax

I’ll bet violent crime starts to drop there.


5 posted on 04/03/2014 12:07:15 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: kingattax
The libs assume that citizens shooting bad guys in Detroit are whites shooting the “victim” class (aka blacks). They're wrong.

Blacks in Detroit are shooting feral blacks and there's no racial component except in lib's minds. Lib's minds are closed to any truth. Detroit Police Chief James Craig (a black man) and the residents of Detroit (a black majority) know this; libs pretend otherwise.

6 posted on 04/03/2014 12:16:56 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: TigersEye

I saw this police chief on one of the FOX shows speaking up about this
very forcefully he firmly believes citizens of Detroit NEED to protect
themselves! He IS black very well spoken and I was very impressed with
him! It is happening VERY SLOWLY but these communities ARE waking
up in Chicago, Detroit, and now NY over (charter schools)!!! This is NOT
going to happen overnight BUT it is happening!! The unemployment rate
in these communities is far greater than other areas and they are awakening, defending themselves is a start! Town halls are happening
and they are FINALLY raising their voices Obammie was supposed to be their savior NOT!!!


7 posted on 04/03/2014 12:41:02 AM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Kit cat
I saw this police chief on one of the FOX shows speaking up about this very forcefully he firmly believes citizens of Detroit NEED to protect themselves!

He IS black very well spoken and I was very impressed with him!

Perhaps a replacement for holder when the zero regime is finally over?

8 posted on 04/03/2014 12:56:28 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Kit cat

Its an important step toward self responsibility and the GOP needs to capitalize on it and encourage the people to stand on their own two feet.

Fortunately the GOP in Michigan is making inroads.


9 posted on 04/03/2014 3:02:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: zeestephen

...and Social Security number.
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That’s a big no-no! Citizens are not required to give their SSN to police.


10 posted on 04/03/2014 3:04:36 AM PDT by octex
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To: octex

The news media and liberals don’t like or want you hearing about this. It takes too much away from their anti-gun initiative. Personally, I think it is a good thing and needs to be adopted all over this country.


11 posted on 04/03/2014 3:12:22 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: octex

I would add that I have heard of advice to give the police some very, very brief description of what happened, along the lines of “This person was attacking me and I was afraid he might kill me” and nothing more.


12 posted on 04/03/2014 3:15:13 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: zeestephen
Give them your photo ID, phone number, employer, and Social Security number

BS You don't have to give them anything except "I want to talk to my lawyer."

You should watch this

13 posted on 04/03/2014 4:14:32 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: OldPossum
would add that I have heard of advice to give the police some very, very brief description of what happened, along the lines

Wrong. Watch the link in post 13 actual legal advice from a lawyer

14 posted on 04/03/2014 4:15:55 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

Note that I didn’t say what you HAD to tell them, I just pointed out that it might be a good idea to state briefly what went down in very succinct terms with no embellishment, so that the police have some idea of the situation.

This was part of the advice given by a defense attorney on one of the series of personal defense tapes produced by Guns & Ammo that I have.

The experts (lawyers) just disagree here.


15 posted on 04/03/2014 4:40:25 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: OldPossum
I just pointed out that it might be a good idea to state briefly what went down in very succinct terms with no embellishment, so that the police have some idea of the situation.

Did you watch the video in the link?

16 posted on 04/03/2014 5:08:03 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

The video function on my computer does not work. What does it say?


17 posted on 04/03/2014 5:10:03 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: OldPossum
The key is "anything you say can and will be used AGAINST you"
18 posted on 04/03/2014 5:10:40 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: kingattax

Ironically, liberal, Democratic Detroit is now the 1# most gun friendly city in the country.


19 posted on 04/03/2014 5:11:37 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: OldPossum

It says NEVER talk to the police and then gives multiple reasons to support this. You should find a computer with the video function working. (different browser?) The guy - a law professor - is quite good.


20 posted on 04/03/2014 5:16:53 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: kingattax

One immutable, but often forgotten Political Science Axiom is that a society will have exactly the amount of crime it chooses to tolerate.

The society, not the government, will eventually decide where that line is and how to solve the problem. I never thought that I would see the day that Detroit gave me even a sliver of hope for mankind.


21 posted on 04/03/2014 5:57:20 AM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: kingattax

Don’t we wish Craig was running security at Ft. Hood?


22 posted on 04/03/2014 6:17:21 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: from occupied ga

The police do not need to know your employe or your SSN. 2 years ago I was field arrested (for a charge that was dismissed I might add) and the dick officer insisted that I give him my employer and SSN. I politely refused and he was pissed. Why should I give them leverage over me to contact my employer and put even more hurt on me? Just tell them you are an independent contractor if you don’t feel comfortable telling them no. I was an independent contractor at the time but I still felt it was none of there business.


23 posted on 04/03/2014 6:22:45 AM PDT by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: WMarshal
I politely refused and he was pissed.

You might get something out of watching the video link in post #13

24 posted on 04/03/2014 6:38:16 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

Re: “BS You don’t have to give them anything except “I want to talk to my lawyer.”

True.

But, under a broad range of circumstances, the police are allowed to detain you indefinitely until they make a positive ID, check for outstanding warrants, and obtain contact information.

If you refuse to help them, you are likely to spend many unnecessary hours, even days, cooling your heels at a local Police Station.


25 posted on 04/03/2014 1:49:42 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: octex
Re: “That’s a big no-no! Citizens are not required to give their SSN to police.”

True.

But they will ask for it, especially if you are white and speak English with an American accent.

Your SSN is a key resource for outstanding warrants, previous contact with law enforcement, DOB verification, and current employer.

You can say no, but under many circumstances, the Police can lawfully detain you until they are certain of your ID and contact information.

26 posted on 04/03/2014 2:04:56 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
the police are allowed to detain you indefinitely

Wrong again. Ever heard of habeas corpus? What country are you from?

27 posted on 04/04/2014 3:54:06 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

Well, thanks for bringing me up to date on the law.

The next time I get pulled over for speeding, I’ll refuse to ID myself, then get released, with no ticket, since they won’t know what name to write on it.

Can I keep the marijuana the drug sniffing dog found in my trunk, too?


28 posted on 04/04/2014 4:40:08 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
Well, thanks for bringing me up to date on the law

Someone needed to do it, since it's obvious you don't have a clue

29 posted on 04/04/2014 5:14:58 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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