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2010: Admiral: President Obama Gave Us Choice to Accept Gays in Military or Resign
Breitbart's Big Peace ^ | April 1, 2014 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 04/03/2014 12:20:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Robert Papp said that in 2010 Obama told U.S. military leaders to accept his push for gays in the military, and that if they didn't, they could take the "opportunity to resign [their] commissions."

Papp said these things in a video BuzzFeed obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.

The video shows a speech Papp delivered to Coast Guard Academy cadets during which he was asked how he would deal with enforcing an order with which he didn't agree. He used the story of his 2010 meeting with Obama as an example of how service members' duties can be compelling and conflicting with personal desires....

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1 posted on 04/03/2014 12:20:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Barry is a fag.


3 posted on 04/03/2014 12:22:23 AM PDT by Ray76 (Have you figured it out yet? There has been a coup.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s no surprise that it’s Obama’s way or the Hi-way,
and there’s going to be a lot of Americans hitting
the road because of it.


4 posted on 04/03/2014 12:24:08 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Ray76

OKEY-DOKEY...

Barry wants to put gays on the front lines and wants to dump perfectly good Admirals.

what a surprise...


5 posted on 04/03/2014 12:25:49 AM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: F15Eagle

Cat Overboard! Cat Overboard!


6 posted on 04/03/2014 12:26:19 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And there weren’t 5 resignations placed on his desk? If you disagree with the policy, then publicly resign and walk away.
Stand up for what you believe in.
Integrity I think they call it. Seems to be missing now days in the upper ranks of the military.


7 posted on 04/03/2014 12:33:38 AM PDT by rustyboots
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Romney was a true believer in homosexualizing the military 20 years ago, that is the reason that we need conservatives, not libertarians, and not “moderates”, as GOP nominees.

Mitt Romney:
One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share.


8 posted on 04/03/2014 12:34:03 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: rustyboots

Situational ethics. Many of us practiced it in the last election and the military brass practiced it here over the gay issue.

Just remember all the excuses people posted why they HAD to vote for Romney and how many screamed ‘PURIST!” and “Principles don’t matter”. None of those people should be shocked that the brass is like them. Because they are one and the same.

The next time anyone sees a freeper spouting the ‘no matter what’ nonsense, this is the perfect example to throw in their face as what that attitude gets them. Liberals have done much to destroy integrity in America. People abandoning it in exchange for ‘wins’ that are anything but, nor ever come, have IMO, damaged it far more. Because it’s US that are supposed to have, espouse and demand integrity.


9 posted on 04/03/2014 12:56:31 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Should have RESIGNED!


10 posted on 04/03/2014 12:59:11 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Save


11 posted on 04/03/2014 1:01:38 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

say nothing. when asked, go along. drum out any fags you come across.

if they give you the ‘opportunity’ to resign... decline.

force them to make the case. and no matter what case they fabricate, out the fact that they were looking to advance faggotry.


12 posted on 04/03/2014 1:31:11 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trust me when I tell you this....if Fags voted conservative, this would not be happening.


13 posted on 04/03/2014 1:37:58 AM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: sten

People in the Civ world better start to do that very thing on a regular basis as well. No one can tell me for every gay job applicant/employee with the needed skills that there are not 10 straight ones that can do it without the agenda that comes attached.

People financially contributing to the gay agenda by hiring them makes no sense to me.


14 posted on 04/03/2014 1:47:09 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, sleep knowing your honor and integrity are still intact.


15 posted on 04/03/2014 1:52:15 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Would have been nice if all officers resigned.

14k male on male sexual assaults in 2013 and 22 suicides a day. Great job POS POTUS on your social engineering of the military.


16 posted on 04/03/2014 2:02:10 AM PDT by maddog55 (I'd be Pro-Choice if we could abort liberals.)
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To: Vendome

EVIL PURIST! EVIL PURIST! ;)


17 posted on 04/03/2014 2:02:12 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When I was in the Army, if a man made a sexual move on another man, it was his last day on earth. The letter to the parents said that your son was killed in a training accident. My, how times have changed. I know this because I was there and I saw the letters.


18 posted on 04/03/2014 2:10:40 AM PDT by Octar
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To: rustyboots
"Integrity I think they call it. Seems to be missing now days in the upper ranks of the military."

Any officer with integrity would have resigned when the Usurper was installed in office.

19 posted on 04/03/2014 2:14:01 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Norm Lenhart

Geejus. Just don’t let God guide out conscience.

We have boundaries and constantly summon up the courage to cross it.


20 posted on 04/03/2014 2:19:16 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Norm Lenhart

It is a front, like a mafya business front of prostitution seeking legitimacy by setting up a shop location. Except this time it is your shop and the military that they use to conduct their nasty business.


21 posted on 04/03/2014 2:20:25 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Vendome

They go in showers and shop and then recommand and pimp behind people’s backs. Gay networking and entrapment is a sickness.


22 posted on 04/03/2014 2:23:28 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: lavaroise

Well, they are at least taking a wide stance on the issue.


23 posted on 04/03/2014 2:43:26 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

Well plenty of people think they know better than that “God’ guy. I mean they must. He clearly stated what he was pretty much about in 10 commandments and people have outgrown that.

It’s a new era. Who needs antiquated things like morality ethics and integrity? “Winning” matters in all things. At worst, just go along with whatever. If you cause problems, that is bad. It distracts fellow travelers on the road to Utopia. Who needs God to tell them that voting for people that fund abortion with their own cash is bad? Why would they be shocked if he does not answer their prayers? Why should some old book stand in the way of progress? CLEARLY God doesn’t have a clue.

Modern man has evolved past the need for all that oldthink. And just look at the paradise we live in thanks to ditching all that baggage! We are the people we have been waiting for!

Oh wait...


24 posted on 04/03/2014 2:52:32 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Vendome

Upper brass in the military are no different than anyone else who has had a long job career with one company. They spend years of their life getting to the top in anticipation that someday they can/will retire (yes comfortably). That being said, which one of us, having spent years on the job would not want to protect that long term investment in our future? (Probably not many).
To make matters worse, your a-hole boss says, “This is my policy, take it or leave”. You consider your options, go against the grain (your beliefs) and follow the bosses orders or, leave and risk loosing what you have spent years building. IMO, its called “Blackmail”.


25 posted on 04/03/2014 2:58:05 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: ansel12

Good grief the election is over. You won.

Move on will ya


26 posted on 04/03/2014 3:08:19 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Progov

Would you really want every moral person in the military to resign?


27 posted on 04/03/2014 3:11:13 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Vendome

We saw what that wide stance got us in Crimea, a foot getting cut off.


28 posted on 04/03/2014 3:24:04 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: driftdiver

Tough one. A resignation is surrendering the shop. I would when the rot is so deep as to make zero differences and then go John Galt contracting.


29 posted on 04/03/2014 3:26:25 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: driftdiver

Yes if that means adhering to ethics and morality. What remains will quickly implode. Then we rebuild.

Do you really want moral people corrupted and destroyed by the ethically flexable? One cannot maintain ones oath and violate it simultaneously. Thinking we can has led to all manner of ethical lapses and thus our current situation. Morality is binary. Something is good or bad. Building a house on a foundation of shifting sands always results in a collapsed house.


30 posted on 04/03/2014 3:30:23 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Are you really that naive or is this all an act?


31 posted on 04/03/2014 3:32:44 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: lavaroise

In this case it would be surrendering and turning over subordinates to evil. By remaining in their position they can at least reduce the damage done. Most of the enlisted people and young officers cannot resign BTW.

The problem isn’t these admirals not resigning. Its having a POTUS who would make such an evil statement.


32 posted on 04/03/2014 3:36:22 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ansel12

more anti Libertarian finger pointing? - ....oh surprise. /sarc


33 posted on 04/03/2014 3:37:04 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (por que no musica?)
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To: driftdiver

No to both. I look at things as they are. Which you should try sometime. By all means. Tell me how it is you think one can me moral and accept immoral action at the same time.

Don’t give me excuses. Give me hard facts in how one can adhere to one’s oaths and beliefs while ignoring their violation all around them and being forced to violate them ones self..

I’ll wait. While I do I’ll try wrapping my head around how and why many ‘conservatives’ so quickly look for ways to circumvent the obvious. Maybe it’s just what it looks like. Maybe some people just don’t like the idea of good and evil.


34 posted on 04/03/2014 3:39:43 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart

If every officer resigned when they were given an order they didn’t like there wouldn’t be anyone left.

You’re focusing on the officers. They are not the problem. Obama is the problem.

Perhaps you think its good for the forces to be led by pro gay officers is a good thing.


35 posted on 04/03/2014 3:42:36 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If Barry was president king in 1941, we would all be speaking German or Japanese now.
36 posted on 04/03/2014 3:49:08 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: driftdiver

This is not a matter of refusing orders they do not like. This is existential level stuff with national security implications as we see with the little homo now serving time in Leavenworth over his little fabulous fit and demanding a sex change. It’s about a military with record levels of man on man sex assault.

This is way beyond not wanting to go police a flight line or some common gripe.

I think it’s best for their to BE be gay officers. Yes Obama is the problem. But as long as he meets zero resistance he will only grab more power and destroy more of what we love. That only stops when we start resisting it.

The founders put more than careers out there. They put their lives. Some died for their beliefs. Kinda makes the sacrifice a bit more telling that some people today are more concerned about their retirement than even SPEAKING OUT against this insanity doesn’t it?.


37 posted on 04/03/2014 3:51:26 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart; driftdiver

ARGH!!! NOT TO BE GAY OFFICERS!!!

Talk about a typo...


38 posted on 04/03/2014 3:52:54 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: driftdiver
This isn't any old operational order it is/was an immoral order so resignation was the correct option.

Take you moral relativism soomewhre else. You clearly have an agenda, I suspect something here.....

39 posted on 04/03/2014 3:53:04 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Octar

I have heard similar stories.


40 posted on 04/03/2014 3:53:50 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Ray76

Did the Admiral leave?
If he didn’t he’s part of the problem


41 posted on 04/03/2014 3:54:57 AM PDT by lucky american (Progressives are attacking our rights and y'all will sit there and take it.)
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To: sten

Plus 100


42 posted on 04/03/2014 3:55:07 AM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Fight for what's right. Forget them.)
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To: central_va

You suspect something? Perhaps your hat is too tight.

You are the one that wants to turn the military over to pro-gay activists.

You are a surrender monkey.


43 posted on 04/03/2014 3:56:41 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Sure its best for there NOT to be gay officers or gay enlisted. Absolutely, 100% the best solution.

I know nothing about these Admirals but have to assume they are fairly competent to have reached that level. If they resigned over something like this they would be REPLACED by a pro-gay officer. Someone who probably WILL support bam bams other agenda items.

Meanwhile their subordinates cannot resign.


44 posted on 04/03/2014 4:01:06 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Progov

This no different than what teachers in NYC and other cities are being faced with. Veteran teachers who know what works and what doesn’t are being confronted with the same choice. Throw away the many years you dedicated to teaching kids and resign or retire—sacrificing pension dollars you are desperately going to need in the land of ever-rising prices—or teach Commie Core and all the other stuff you KNOW is wrong.


45 posted on 04/03/2014 4:03:28 AM PDT by EinNYC
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To: driftdiver

And because their Admirals and Generals refuse to lead, if only us, those soldiers are now being molested with the approval of the CIC. They failed their soldiers.

Now it stands to reason that an en-masse resignation would make serious waves amongst those of us that care about our military, civ and ex-mil alike and start ‘holding feet to fire’ that so many promise to do but so few ever even try doing with their elected reps.

Leadership comes from the top. Leaders lead in the face of adversity. That’s not naive. It’s world history.


46 posted on 04/03/2014 4:06:15 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: driftdiver

As a junior officer I tried to resign three times (all denied) because my XO and CO were mis treating the men in my division over my head. I would certainly resign over this. You can keep your queer military.


47 posted on 04/03/2014 4:07:19 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obviously the Admiral did not object to the policy, because he is still an Admiral. The only way this story makes sense is if the headline starts with “Former Admiral...”


48 posted on 04/03/2014 4:13:47 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey, Admiral:


49 posted on 04/03/2014 4:22:47 AM PDT by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: central_va

You are the one wanting to turn over the military to the pro-gays. You want to surrender to the enemy.

Thats telling.


50 posted on 04/03/2014 4:28:22 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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