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Iraq Combat Veteran Kills 3 and Injures 16 (liberals media blames "Bush Wars" on nutcase shooter)
http://www.nydailynews.com/ ^ | April 2, 2014 | New York Daily News

Posted on 04/03/2014 5:17:40 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

A soldier suffering from emotional problems and dressed in combat fatigues opened fire Wednesday at Fort Hood, killing three people in a flash of violence that brought back memories of the 2009 mass shooting that left 13 dead at the Army base in Texas.

The gunman eventually killed himself, ending the carnage first reported about 4:30 p.m. But at least 16 people were wounded, four critically, in his mad rampage.

Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas), chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, identified the shooter as Ivan Lopez, 34. He served in Iraq for four months in 2011 and had transferred from an unnamed Texas military base to Fort Hood in February for mental health evaluation and treatment, fort commander Lt. Gen. Mark Milley said in a news conference Wednesday night.

Lopez, who was married, was being examined to determine if he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder, Milley said.

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It was Bush's fault. In the mush brain of all liberals it just had to be the military that turned this nut into a killer. He just had to have mental problems after his 4 months in Iraq in 2011. No if he had any type of mental problem he had those problems before went on active duty. Case closed.
1 posted on 04/03/2014 5:17:40 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

It was really good to see the Commander in Chief (that would be Obama) leave his fund raisers with Democrat fat cats, and fly immediately to Fort Hood to be with the troops. Oh..that didn’t happen? Oh my.


2 posted on 04/03/2014 5:23:21 AM PDT by allendale
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To: NKP_Vet

CASE NOT CLOSED.

there are many veterans who suffer from PTSD ..we must get them access to care and get them help.Unfortunately, often it does not come soon enough.


3 posted on 04/03/2014 5:24:35 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: NKP_Vet

Get ready for another MSM round of “soldiers are unstable nutcases” stories.


4 posted on 04/03/2014 5:25:02 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: NKP_Vet

If he was able to kill 3 and injure 14 then obviously and incredibly we still have military personnel walking around unarmed at Fort Hood and of course that will not be addressed. They will remain unarmed and the next guy with mental issues will shoot up the place because he will know nobody can shoot back. I mean think about this: This is ONE guy with a gun going against our MILITARY! Why the F aren’t they ARMED?


5 posted on 04/03/2014 5:29:01 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Republican has "I can" at the end. Democrat has "rat". Any questions?)
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To: NKP_Vet
A soldier suffering from emotional problems and dressed in combat fatigues

Is this the clothing equivalent of an "assault rifle"? What odd phraseology.

6 posted on 04/03/2014 5:30:15 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: NKP_Vet

From a blurb.......

“The gunman, who served in Iraq for four months in 2011, had sought help for depression, anxiety and other problems. Before the attack, he had been undergoing an assessment to determine whether he had post-traumatic stress disorder, Milley said.”

Could we have not gotten this guy some help? He MAY have had PTSD?? What is this guy doing on a base, in that sort of environment?


7 posted on 04/03/2014 5:31:30 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

And many veterans who do not suffer from PTSD. My point is the NY Daily News has no idea what caused this character to flip and start shooting people. Maybe his girlfriend left him, or maybe his boyfriend!


8 posted on 04/03/2014 5:33:25 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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Obama obviously neglecting the troubled vets.


9 posted on 04/03/2014 5:33:44 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Is the “official” word still “Mental Health and PTSD”?

Or have other outlets confirmed he was a converted Mohammadan intent on following up with Nidal Hassan’s unfinished work?

I noticed that Rigamortis Shep Smith kept saying “it’s not terror”....


10 posted on 04/03/2014 5:35:20 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: NKP_Vet

Why only 4 months? Is that a super short deployment cycle? Or maybe he was sent back early because of some problem?


11 posted on 04/03/2014 5:35:31 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

He could have had mental issues that had nothing to do with the 4 months he spent in Iraq.


12 posted on 04/03/2014 5:36:34 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: NKP_Vet

According to the news the killer spent 4 months in Iraq in 2011. No time in Afghanistan. He was never wounded. Never in combat apparently. What trauma did he endure to stress about?


13 posted on 04/03/2014 5:38:03 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Because we can’t be trusted. It is criminal that federal facilities bar people trained in the effective and responsible use of weapons from carrying them on federal property.

Colonel, USAFR


14 posted on 04/03/2014 5:38:04 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: NKP_Vet

Direct link. Avoids going through Daily News home page:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/shooting-reported-fort-hood-military-post-texas-article-1.1743544


15 posted on 04/03/2014 5:38:12 AM PDT by upchuck (South Carolina Representative Trey Gowdy for Speaker of the House!!!)
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To: NKP_Vet

No if he had any type of mental problem he had those problems before went on active duty.———————

I agreee but I wonder what kind of chemical treatment he had received in childhood for that catch all Attention Deficite Syndrome? Placed under stress but off the meds; how many mental switches does that short out?


16 posted on 04/03/2014 5:38:35 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Future Snake Eater

Learned it from his daddy, no doubt - and never spent a day in uniform. We haven’t had “combat fatigues” since the slant-pocket days in VN.


17 posted on 04/03/2014 5:39:16 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: NKP_Vet

Frankly, I’d think this pResident’s ROEs, the can’t shoot back policies, are the root of many problems with soldiers there in those places.


18 posted on 04/03/2014 5:39:30 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: NKP_Vet
He served in Iraq for four months in 2011...

Refresh my memory - WHO was president in 2011?

19 posted on 04/03/2014 5:40:02 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

No one is mentioning that this was premeditated. It’s not like he just snapped. He went out and bought the gun shortly before the attack. He conscicously smuggled it in to the facility and shot 16 people. That doesn’t sound like an “altercation” incident to me.


20 posted on 04/03/2014 5:40:15 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: DoodleDawg

The FOB Green Bean ran out of white chocolate mocha syrup. It’s very, very disheartening when that happens.


21 posted on 04/03/2014 5:40:55 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: NKP_Vet
The killer fatally shot himself with the powerful handgun he had recently bought but had not registered on the base, Milley said. He was confronted in a base parking lot by a military police officer who drew her sidearm.

Apparently one can buy a handgun that is not powerful. Who knew?

22 posted on 04/03/2014 5:41:57 AM PDT by upchuck (South Carolina Representative Trey Gowdy for Speaker of the House!!!)
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To: DoodleDawg

Perhaps he he had been indoctrinated to believe - to KNOW - that he MUST suffer some form of disorder after serving in a war zone.


23 posted on 04/03/2014 5:42:05 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
This is ONE guy with a gun going against our MILITARY! Why the F aren’t they ARMED?

The stupidity is even worse than you imagine. A friend of mine in the AF sent me a pic (couple of years ago now) of herself at Bagram. I noticed in the picture she had her sidearm in a shoulder holster and there was no magazine in it. Via a facebook exchange I asked her about it. Standing policy - weapons on base are unloaded. W ... T ... F !!! In a war zone, surrounded by valuable personnel and equipment they are basically unarmed and unready to defend these assets.

What, the libtards are going to say "that's security forces' job..." Duh, these people are in our Military - they all are "security forces" and had better be ready to act like it at a moments notice!

24 posted on 04/03/2014 5:43:52 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I wonder if they were high-powered, fully automatic combat fatigues...


25 posted on 04/03/2014 5:43:55 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: DoodleDawg

yeah- currently have a close friend that claims
their son has PTSD- never saw combat/did NOT
patrol- but was in Afghanistan.(support person)

Got out and went back to his old ways-
Drugs/alcohol and after a couple of DWI’s
is claiming this- he is getting help-
AND unemployment- SOON to be disability!-


26 posted on 04/03/2014 5:44:17 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: NKP_Vet

If he only served in Iraq for four months tells me he was sent back for a reason. I don’t believe four months is a normal deployment. Why did he come back so early?

I know it was many years ago, but in Korea you needed 36 points to come back. Front line units received 4 points a month. Away from the front line, the artillery zone received only 3 points per month, further back, behind the civilian line it was 2 points. I suspect a similar program is in effect today.


27 posted on 04/03/2014 5:45:34 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

I do not think this is new. It is insane - but it is not new.

The guards at our Marine barracks in Beruit in 1983 were similarly unarmed and unready to defend the building and its occupants.


28 posted on 04/03/2014 5:45:58 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: upchuck

Check out the picture of the MP on the page, sashaying to the rescue. Barry Bathhouse military.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/shooting-reported-fort-hood-military-post-texas-article-1.1743544


29 posted on 04/03/2014 5:46:10 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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Check out the picture of the MP on the page, sashaying to the rescue. Barry Bathhouse military.

What picture are you talking about? The gate guard approaching a vehicle? You can't be serious.

30 posted on 04/03/2014 5:48:39 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Pardon me, sashaying to the main gate.


31 posted on 04/03/2014 5:55:05 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

What’s really interesting is that if Bush were still president, you’d see that guy as a professional doing his job.


32 posted on 04/03/2014 5:59:04 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
The Army is anti-gun. Well actually weapons are okay when they are all accounted for and locked in the arms room.

But they are too worried about Sergeant Smith shooting Sergeant Jones in a drunken jealous rage over some femme fatale. But being in the profession of arms our troops need to be armed. In fact, all troops E7 and higher should have to have a sidearm on their person at all times save PT and sometimes during PT>

33 posted on 04/03/2014 6:00:08 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: smokingfrog

I know. I wasn’t suggesting that the only place it came from. I was just saying that from the article I read, it strongly appears like we knew something was wrong with this guy and either it fell through the cracks, or wasn’t acted upon fast enough.

But like with Chris Kyle taking that PTSD marine to a shooting range...maybe these are not very intuitive things to do??


34 posted on 04/03/2014 6:01:00 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: Lion Den Dan

“I agreee but I wonder what kind of chemical treatment he had received in childhood for that catch all Attention Deficite Syndrome?”
Maybe he had 80HD? That’s what the obamaphone users call it when they needs their meds for a disability!


35 posted on 04/03/2014 6:02:29 AM PDT by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: DoodleDawg
He was never wounded. Never in combat apparently. What trauma did he endure to stress about?


The modern explosives are so powerful that they can cause brain bruising or brain bleeding in bystanders 1/4 mile away from the blast. That is why we have a lot of guys returning with TBI (traumatic brain injury). This related DailyNews article erred when it said:

Lopez reported that he suffered a brain injury during his tour in Iraq, but was not wounded in combat, Milley said.
Brain trauma is a wound, and it is much harder to treat in many cases than a physical injury.

The use of drones and high-powered sights is a good thing to keep our soldiers far away, because wars against these ghouls cannot be fought humanely or face-to-face. That's an "antiquated European notion" of honor among soldiers.

36 posted on 04/03/2014 6:03:03 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: allendale

“We are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened,” Obama said.

“The shooting, the third such incident at a military base in the United States in about six months, started at about 4 p.m. local time (2100 GMT) and put Fort Hood on immediate lockdown.

Milley said the shooter walked into one of the unit buildings, opened fire, then got into a vehicle and fired from there. He then went into another building and opened fire again, until he was engaged by Fort Hood law enforcement.

When confronted by a female military police officer, he killed himself with his semi-automatic weapon in the parking lot.

“He was approaching her at about 20 feet. He put his hands up, then reached under his jacket, pulled out the (.45) and she pulled out her weapon and then she engaged, and he then he put the weapon to his head,” Milley said”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-fort-hood-shooting-20140402,0,2542093.story


37 posted on 04/03/2014 6:03:57 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Marie Antoinette

There’s a whole host of reasons why he only spent 4 months in Iraq. For starters, that was the year we were winding down there. Lots of personnel and operational turmoil happens in these transitions. He could have been a replacement for some other soldier who had to come off deployment early. He could have been injured in some way and evac’d out of Iraq. His entire unit may have only deployed there for 4 months.


38 posted on 04/03/2014 6:05:53 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: NKP_Vet

It’s probably been said, but it hasn’t been Bush’s War(s)® since 2008 when Obama held to the same policies.

I might blame Obama’s ROEs.

BUT - I remember That they said N. Hassan was a victim of PTSD when it happened. (Technically I think they called it Pre-PTSD or something weird.)


39 posted on 04/03/2014 6:06:32 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: ThunderSleeps
What, the libtards are going to say "that's security forces' job..."

That's just what the assistant base commander said last night in the press conference. He said that soldiers shouldn't be armed walking around base, and that security forces should be called. A reporter asked him how long it would take for armed police to arrive at a scene like this, and he said, "Within ten to fifteen minutes." A complete loon, completely brainwashed.

40 posted on 04/03/2014 6:07:26 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: mj1234

See post 36.


41 posted on 04/03/2014 6:08:14 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: smokingfrog

Exactly. In fact, his mental issues most likely did not have anything to do with Iraq based just on the odds.


42 posted on 04/03/2014 6:11:11 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: TADSLOS

Well that is what I would like to know. We may eventually learn the reason. My son is deployed for 9 months.


43 posted on 04/03/2014 6:12:55 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: Marie Antoinette

Mine also. Currently at Kandahar.


44 posted on 04/03/2014 6:14:56 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Albion Wilde
That sounds about right. In my area average response time is somewhere around 9 to 12 minutes for a code 3 call. (lights and sirens) Since I live out a little bit more rural I'm sure I'm closer to 15 or 20 min. That's why there is a loaded weapon literally within arms reach at all times. I am responsible for my security and my family's safety. I know the Sheriff's department would never make it here in time to matter.

It is criminal, just plain criminal that our trained and trusted military personnel are denied the ability to effectively defend themselves in a timely fashion. This BS has to end, now. Hey libtards, stop treating them (heck all of us) like children and show some respect.

45 posted on 04/03/2014 6:16:35 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: elpadre

Used to be 120 days got you the short tour credit

John Effin Kerry served 120 days in Vietnam
what a coinky dink


46 posted on 04/03/2014 6:17:10 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: NKP_Vet

There was a push not long ago for veterans who were even thought to suffer from PTSD to have their weapons confiscated until they were signed off on NOT to be a threat.

Look for that push to reignite today because of this shooting.


47 posted on 04/03/2014 6:20:19 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: WayneS

My son is going into the service. I’m going to tell him he had better seek off base housing so he can be armed when on his own time. He is trained and practiced in handling all kinds of firearms - handguns (both revolver and pistol), rifles (lever, bolt, AR-style), and pump shotguns. I’d rather he rely on his own skills than the chance appearance of security forces...


48 posted on 04/03/2014 6:20:34 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Lion Den Dan
I agreee but I wonder what kind of chemical treatment he had received in childhood for that catch all Attention Deficite Syndrome? Placed under stress but off the meds; how many mental switches does that short out?

I would look real close at all medications he's taken in the past 90 days especially antidepressants. To a very low percentage of the population it's like giving a person LSD. Doctors usually either do not know of that risk or consider it rubbish. Antidepressants are usually the first thing shrinks write. See you in three months.

Now in a round about way you are on to something. ADD/ADHD more often than not is a neurological impairment involving sensory processing. Persons with Neurological impairments are more prone to adverse reactions to antidepressants and this has been known for quite a while but ignored.

49 posted on 04/03/2014 6:20:45 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Albion Wilde

The modern explosives are so powerful that they can cause brain bruising or brain bleeding in bystanders 1/4 mile away from the blast.


That was the original thought in WWI and that is why it was called shell shock then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_shock

Note the following:
At the same time an alternative view developed describing shell shock as an emotional, rather than a physical, injury. Evidence for this point of view was provided by the fact that an increasing proportion of men suffering shell shock symptoms had not been exposed to artillery fire. Since the symptoms appeared in men who had no proximity to an exploding shell, the physical explanation was clearly unsatisfactory.[4]


50 posted on 04/03/2014 6:28:53 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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