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FBI seizes artifacts from Indiana collector, age 91, who says they’re legal
Washington Times ^ | Apr 3, 2014 | Cheryl K. Chumley

Posted on 04/03/2014 9:05:46 AM PDT by KeyLargo

Edited on 04/03/2014 9:11:47 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The FBI has swooped into an elderly man’s Indiana home and seized thousands of artifacts he collected — he says legally — during his decades of travel to hundreds of destinations, including Haiti, Australia, New Guinea and Peru.

Donald Miller, 91, accumulated the artifacts over the past 80 years, said FBI Special Agent Robert Jones, during a news conference.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Indiana
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1 posted on 04/03/2014 9:05:46 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

I hope he sues, wins a massive settlement, and forces the Feral Government to return his collection.


2 posted on 04/03/2014 9:07:12 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: KeyLargo
"“The cultural value of these artifacts is immeasurable,” Mr. Jones said"

Pure hyperbole."

Culture has been cruising along just fine without seeing the stuff the 91 yr old has collected.

3 posted on 04/03/2014 9:08:12 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: KeyLargo

Frigging robotic, envious, power mad goons.

Accusation without proof, innuendo, suspicion and castigation all based on unsubstantiated claims. Damned Gestopo goose-stepping goons.

“The very seriousness of the charge warrants seizure and arrest.”


4 posted on 04/03/2014 9:08:36 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: dinodino
I hope he sues, wins a massive settlement, and forces the Feral Government to return his collection.

Probably doesn't have enough time to get all of that done.

5 posted on 04/03/2014 9:11:17 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: KeyLargo

It seems that the government got wind of his privately collected artifacts and just decided to take them on the SUSPICION that they might have been acquired illegally.


6 posted on 04/03/2014 9:12:02 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: KeyLargo

The artifacts were not seized. They were STOLEN. Let’s be clear about that.


7 posted on 04/03/2014 9:12:17 AM PDT by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: KeyLargo
said FBI Special Agent Robert Jones, during a news conference

Good to know that the FBI is on the job, protecting us all from serious criminal acts such as those alleged here.

Wait, wut?

8 posted on 04/03/2014 9:15:59 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: dinodino

The feds are banking on a 91 year old man passing away before any lawsuit ever comes to trial. They will simply confiscate, and wait him out with typical DOJ obstruction and denial. And if that doesn’t work, the feds will either throw lawyers at him until he relents, or use every alphabet agency at the disposal of the feds to break him, and imprison him for some perceived violation, and let him die in prison.

Welcome to the new American dictatorship, comrades.


9 posted on 04/03/2014 9:18:14 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Zeppo

51 Federal Agents Descend On Home In Rural Indiana

By John Dodge

CHICAGO (CBS) — Federal agents have descended on a compound in rural Indiana that reportedly contains a large amount of historical artifacts, including some from World War II, sources said Wednesday. Aerial photos from WISH-TV in Indianapolis show at least two large command vehicles on the side of a large brown two-story building in the small town of Waldron, which is southeast of Indianapolis.

10 posted on 04/03/2014 9:23:03 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: MeganC

The 0bamanites are looting...again!


11 posted on 04/03/2014 9:24:27 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: MeganC
At 91 he won't live long enough to see them returned (5-10 years minimum of court haggling).
12 posted on 04/03/2014 9:24:45 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: a fool in paradise

And when he dies, his heirs will have to pay estate tax on items the Feral Gubmint seized, even though they don’t have them.

Seriously.


13 posted on 04/03/2014 9:27:37 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: KeyLargo
This was posted on the 2 Million Bikers to DC's Facebook page:

Remember this story from yesterday "FBI seizing artifacts at rural Indiana home. FBI surrounds home in rural central Indiana; agency says agents seizing artifacts"?

Well folks guess what, the FBI was NOT looking for artifacts at all! Here is the REAL Story sent to us by one of his Protege's:

FBI seizes Native American, "other artifacts" at rural Indiana home

This story reeks of Government Cover-up. The real truth lies in what has not been reported in this story. One must first know the definition of artifacts: an object formed by humans, particularly one of interest to archaeologists.

This differs from the word relic:: something that is from a past time, place, culture, etc. ►Artifacts can be data, technology etc which are covered under treaties.◄

The FBI statement "Jones said that the extensive collection, which Miller amassed over eight decades, includes Native American artifacts and relics as well as items from the United States, China, Haiti, Australia, Russia, New Guinea, Italy, New Zealand, Puerto Rico, Greece, Peru and possibly several other countries."

The FBI statement allows room for many scenarios. My research on Dr. Don Miller led me to discover his close involvement in the creation and detonation of the atom bomb. Read the full story here: http://www.rushvillerepublican.com/local/x681493636/The-Day-the-Sun-Rose-Twice?zc_p=0

Dr. Don Miller, holds a P.H.D in electrical engineering, is the brother of Dr. Stanley Miller world reknowned Chemical Physicist.. Don Miller operated under the company name Wyman Research, he created transponders used by NASA in the space stations Read the story here:

http://www.marexmg.org/fileshtml/sponsorspeople.htm and photos of his invention from space

http://web.archive.org/web/20021213135955/http://www.svs.net/wyman/examples/sstv.htm

Also read about Dr Stanley Millers research http://www.pbs.org/exploringspace/meteorites/murchison/page5.html

►Oddly enough Dr.Millers Website was taken down last month and my research relied greatly on the way back machine which archives websites. His website was www.svs.net ◄

BINGO ►► Most recently Dr Miller developed the technology to locate any transmitter through triangulation after the beacon has failed. This technology would be very useful say if an airplane went down and was unable to be located. ◄◄

Dr. Miller has offered tours of his mini museum for many years which contained relics from his travels which was never of issue until recently. I googled FBI and artifact seizure and other than the raid on Dr. Millers home and some stories of soldiers stealing Iraqi artifacts, there was very little. It does not seem to be a usual activity for the FBI.

Looking at the photo of Dr. Miller's home it is very obvious that he installed several 40'-50' antenna towers on his property which is located out in the middle of nowhere. The FBI (or some agency) set up containment/quarantine tents all over his property and there is no identification of any particular government agencies on the vehicles on his property. I was able to locate video showing those towers being removed which would fall under the definition of artifact but weren't mentioned by reporters.

The fact that the the news doesn't mention that this man was very prominent in the development of nuclear weapons, space science, groundbreaking transponder technology, spectral analysis or the sole heir to his famous brothers research on the origins of life is wherein the truth lies.

I would be surprised if this man lives long enough to tell the real story. ~ Anonymous Source


14 posted on 04/03/2014 9:27:56 AM PDT by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php a place to meet when FR is down)
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To: jellybean

The CBS article did mention that some of his items dated to WWII (not just the procurement OF the ancient artifacts).


15 posted on 04/03/2014 9:29:30 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: KeyLargo

Must be a Republican donor.


16 posted on 04/03/2014 9:29:55 AM PDT by jstaff
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To: TheThirdRuffian

He isn’t Ted Kennedy, OF COURSE his estate must pay its share of taxes...


17 posted on 04/03/2014 9:30:24 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: jellybean

interesting....BTTT


18 posted on 04/03/2014 9:32:43 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: KeyLargo

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3140315/posts

FBI investigating Rush County home for artifact collection


19 posted on 04/03/2014 9:36:51 AM PDT by digger48
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To: dinodino

he is 91 the federal government counts on his dying in order to take from the heirs.

This ant-private property nonsense has to stop. This is just a PC collectivist BS.


20 posted on 04/03/2014 9:38:47 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: KeyLargo

interesting how they brought in the concealment tents.

They are taking and will have their “experts” declare it all outside of private property.


21 posted on 04/03/2014 9:41:09 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: a fool in paradise

http://www.rushvillerepublican.com/local/x681493492/The-Day-the-Sun-Rose-Twice?zc_p=0

http://www.rushvillerepublican.com/local/x681493536/The-Day-the-Sun-Rose-Twice?zc_p=0

http://www.rushvillerepublican.com/local/x681493570/The-Day-the-Sun-Rose-Twice?zc_p=0

http://www.rushvillerepublican.com/local/x681493636/The-Day-the-Sun-Rose-Twice?zc_p=0

Interesting tidbit about Mr. Miller. He was involved in the testing of the Atomic Bomb


22 posted on 04/03/2014 9:42:26 AM PDT by digger48
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To: KeyLargo

This actually is suspicious, especially now that I have seen that photo. I didn’t used to be a “conspiracy theorists”, but Obama has opened my eyes. Of course I didn’t used to be racist either, but my president seems to say that I am (and by the way so are you).


23 posted on 04/03/2014 9:45:07 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: jellybean

Sounds like the NSA might have been listening on his phone or email conversations, and possibly he could have located the missing Malaysian flight 370, so it was important to seize all his stuff before that happened. (Tinfoil hat time?)


24 posted on 04/03/2014 9:47:38 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: KeyLargo
The guy is 91 and has collected this stuff for 80 years...to quote Hillary..”What difference does it make?” At his age he is likely not trafficking in these artifacts. Doesn't the FBI have more serious matters to tend to than this crap? When the guy dies let his family donate these items or sell them where posssible.
25 posted on 04/03/2014 9:49:16 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: KeyLargo
"Compound".

That's how the demonization begins.

I remember when I first saw photos of Randy Weaver's "compound". It was a freakin' plywood cabin.

Waco? Wood frame buildings.

Just like this "rural compound". It's a country home.

26 posted on 04/03/2014 9:49:39 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: KeyLargo
"compound "

Funny how that word crops when the media and government are working hand-in-hand to demonize someone, in this case, a guy who has a collection of artifacts he has assembled over nearly 80 years. I didn't even see a fence.

What they neglected to point out is the cash value of those artifacts. A single (clovis) projectile point can bring $8,000.00 or more. Other, more exotic artifacts could easily be worth much more. They wouldn't have to pocket a lot of items to snatch an impressive amount of value, and who knows what the collection would be worth on the market.

IMHO, the burden of proof that items were illegally acquired rests with the state, and this seizure is designed to take the man's life savings (in artifacts).

Theft, plain and simple. The chances of him living long enough to successfully pursue court action to have his possessions returned is very low, (and the probability that key and valuable artifacts would be 'missing' very high.)

27 posted on 04/03/2014 9:55:26 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

He’s 91 and won’t live ling enough to win the legal battle if the leftists stay in control

Come the revolution....... heads on pikes


28 posted on 04/03/2014 9:57:09 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: KeyLargo

Feds descended on a compound, sound familiar to anyone? Think Waco. News with views strikes again. Whenever the Feds do something this illegal they clue in the media to shape the story before it happens. They hide their names behind these faceless, bureaucratic actions, we need to know who these people are. They, like cockroaches fear the light. Set up that website.


29 posted on 04/03/2014 10:01:15 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: KeyLargo

HEY! FBI! Just shoot him with some beanbags. Be a lot easier if he’s dead.


30 posted on 04/03/2014 10:04:13 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: KeyLargo

These people obviously have nothing better to do


31 posted on 04/03/2014 10:04:40 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Gaffer

Thieves with automatic assault rifles. How ironic.


32 posted on 04/03/2014 10:05:10 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: bert

Everyone should have a list...


33 posted on 04/03/2014 10:06:52 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: jellybean; LucyT

Thanks jellybean!

Lucy, ping to this one!


34 posted on 04/03/2014 10:08:31 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: KeyLargo

There’s that word compound again. You can certainly tell when the government is up to no good.

Wasn’t there another word for it at one time?

Oh yes. Home! That’s it.

It now appears we live in our ‘compounds’ at the generosity of the federal government, only until it desires to destroy us.


35 posted on 04/03/2014 10:09:44 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: jellybean; LucyT

Thanks jellybean!

Lucy, ping to this one!

Also see #10, #14, #19, and #24


36 posted on 04/03/2014 10:09:53 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: longtermmemmory

My take too...


37 posted on 04/03/2014 10:10:36 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: KeyLargo

Maybe the guy is one of the super villains from the enjoyable, but outright silly Dirk Pitt novels. I love how there always seems to be some International crime boss who has murdered hundreds of people to get some ancient incan calculator. Cussler is a hack writer, but they are a great beach read.


38 posted on 04/03/2014 10:11:41 AM PDT by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: null and void

NJCP to this post.


39 posted on 04/03/2014 10:26:30 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Zeppo

He is lucky the FBI didn’t just shoot him first. The local cops are looking for his dog.

This is looking a lot more like the 20th century Germany all of the time. The people there did not believe that what did happen was possible in their enlightened culture.


40 posted on 04/03/2014 10:35:38 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: KeyLargo

- Reminisent of when the BJ Clintons looting/stealing priceless White House art, silver, Frederic Remington sculpture and antique furniture when they finally left the White House…..


41 posted on 04/03/2014 10:43:09 AM PDT by devolve (- Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY -- I need more SPACE - BHO Jr -)
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To: KeyLargo
Federal agents have descended on a compound Why is a private home and joining land called a compound?
42 posted on 04/03/2014 11:24:25 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: dinodino

In the years since 9/11, the FBI has dug up two Michigan horse ranches to look for Jimmy Hoffa’s remains. They acted on tips from Mafia inmates with life sentences. Hey, it gets boring in prison, so why not send the FBIees on a wild goose chase.

Now they raid a house and seize Indian artifacts! Hey guys, isn’t there anything more important for you to be doing?

What about investing Harry Reid’s business cronies and dealings? What about testing Pelosi to determine if she’s still fit to hold office? Did anyone see her on Thursday morning Congressional channel. She forgot what she was saying, stuttered, got mixed up and repeated herself many times.

Hey FBI what about checking out multiple voters (those who voted more than one time)?

Leave the poor guy alone!


43 posted on 04/03/2014 12:24:36 PM PDT by jayrunner
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To: jellybean
"BINGO ►► Most recently Dr Miller developed the technology to locate any transmitter through triangulation after the beacon has failed. This technology would be very useful say if an airplane went down and was unable to be located. ◄◄"

I think you are right, this has to do with the lost plane. They also took two tall antennae down. I would bet the NSA had him as a primary location all the time for years to find out what he was doing with everything since he worked on the atomic bomb and satellites. They would know he had this technology to find black boxes after they stopped emitting sound. Since he knew how to do it, he was likely sending email to a close friend or whomever, and the NSA got that and sent the FBI to get his stuff relating to that and the artifacts aren't their purpose for being there.

If you ever had a responsible position with the federal government, you will never lose them.

For me, I am worried since in my compound little townhouse I have teapots/cups from numerous countries where I have been. Been collecting those for many years. I have an antique Mote spoon made in the middle 1600s to mid 1700s from England. Bought it legally from underground silver vault shop in the middle of London, went through customs, but maybe some FBI man wants a Mote spoon? It was the first way to get tea leaves out of a cup of tea as there were no tea strainers then.

If any of you have anything from another country, are you now suspect for having it? This is ridiculous of course that the FBI would be interested in tea pots/cups/Mote spoons, but who would have thought a man of 91 would have his compound house surrounded?

What's in your compound?

44 posted on 04/03/2014 12:36:43 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

We traveled to Papua New Guinea 40 years ago. We have carved walking sticks and *watchers*, which are wicker shield-shaped wall pieces featuring faces made from turtle shells and human hair (likely that of the artisan) with shell eyes. They were made to guard homes from vengeful ghosts.

Visited Tonga where, back then, huge 12’x20’ tapas, including wedding tapas (very soft and thick), were available in the marketplace for $10US. These have been on display in our home since then, seen by many, many people.

It is difficult today to find similar items of the same quality. In New Zealand, today, the tapas are being “re-collected” by Maoris and are in demand for commercial bar/restaurant decor.

We also have carved ivory tourist pieces from China, purchased in Fiji. The identical pieces were offered years ago on eBay for $1500-$3k. Today, they are always labeled *bone*, even dating from the 1970s and the prices are very low.

The Oceanic stuff is also difficult to sell directly, although some galleries handle them.

Who kept bills of sale from back then? There were no bills of sale at the native villages on the Sepik. My husband dealt directly with the men in the “men’s hut”. There was only a “number one price”.

We are getting ready to downsize and I may just pack them all up when we move and not display them again.


45 posted on 04/03/2014 12:53:10 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal
“I may just pack them all up when we move and not display them again.”

I wouldn't display the ivory pieces. I have a Chinese tea set in a wicker box holder that I bought in mainland China. Have various pieces I won't describe, from Hong Kong. They make gold pieces right there in shops. I always declared everything I had bought when I got to the states. I kept the sales slips for that accounting, but of course I don't have them now.

One time I told the US customs guy as soon as I was in front of him that I had overbought so would have to pay duty and here were all my sales slips. He crossed off books and antiques, said they weren't counted for duty and I didn't have to pay any duty. I was an open book with customs people. People who would try to sneak something in, are very likely to get caught and I wasn't going to be one of them.

Going into England one time, I got a cranky guy who wanted to know what was in the rolling bag I had. He pissed me off to question I might have something illegal in there. Told him, “CANNED MEXICAN FOOD”. My son lived there and naturally as a Texan, he got no Texas type Mexican food so I always carried him some - nothing fresh, all canned and that is legal. So, cranky guy went through my canned Mexican food. When you go into England, you have to put down where you are staying and when you are leaving. They know exactly where you are when you are there and you better not be there after the date you say you are leaving.

46 posted on 04/03/2014 1:14:40 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: WildHighlander57; null and void; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; Myrddin; MamaDearest; ...
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►►Most recently Dr Miller developed the technology to locate any transmitter through triangulation after the beacon has failed. This technology would be very useful say if an airplane went down and was unable to be located.◄◄

Dr. Miller has offered tours of his mini museum for many years which contained relics from his travels which was never of issue until recently. I googled FBI and artifact seizure and other than the raid on Dr. Millers home and some stories of soldiers stealing Iraqi artifacts, there was very little. It does not seem to be a usual activity for the FBI.

Looking at the photo of Dr. Miller's home it is very obvious that he installed several 40'-50' antenna towers on his property which is located out in the middle of nowhere. The FBI (or some agency) set up containment/quarantine tents all over his property and there is no identification of any particular government agencies on the vehicles on his property. I was able to locate video showing those towers being removed which would fall under the definition of artifact but weren't mentioned by reporters.

The fact that the the news doesn't mention that this man was very prominent in the development of nuclear weapons, space science, groundbreaking transponder technology, spectral analysis or the sole heir to his famous brothers research on the origins of life is wherein the truth lies.

I would be surprised if this man lives long enough to tell the real story. ~ Anonymous Source

Check out # 10, 14, 19, 24.

Thanks, WildHighlander57.

47 posted on 04/03/2014 1:17:24 PM PDT by LucyT (If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: KeyLargo

I wonder how many relics provide evidence that the ‘Native Americans’ were not the first to populate the Americas?


48 posted on 04/03/2014 1:27:27 PM PDT by whodathunkit
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To: LucyT

Hmm. And this happens right after that crazy Western Journalism story claiming that the missing plane had been located at a U.S. military base in the Pacific.

I found that very difficult to believe. But here we are back in the territory of things that make you go Hmmmm.


49 posted on 04/03/2014 1:30:29 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: reformedliberal

A better course is a ceontrolled program on ebay to sell your stuff.

Ebay is helping us downsize a cby sellin the stuff no longer needed and unwanted by the kids. Take it easy, study Eby..... it’s pretty easy, relax and enjoy the selling

PS... Thai temple rubbings are a dime a dozen


50 posted on 04/03/2014 1:43:33 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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