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Islamic group gets OK to cut crosses off NY church (Syracuse NY)
Associated Press ^ | Apr 3, 2014 4:37 PM EDT

Posted on 04/03/2014 1:45:07 PM PDT by Olog-hai

A city board on Thursday gave a Muslim group the go-ahead to remove six crosses from the roof and spires of a century-old former Catholic church so the now-vacant Gothic structure can be used as a mosque.

More than 200 people had signed an online petition calling on the Syracuse Landmark Preservation Board to deny an application by North Side Learning Center, the church’s new owner, to remove the crosses and build a six-foot chain-link fence. …

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; learningcenter; mosque; rop; syracuse
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1 posted on 04/03/2014 1:45:07 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

If they bought it, they bought it. They could raze the entire building if they wanted.

Private property is still just that.


2 posted on 04/03/2014 1:51:08 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (IN-SAPORIBVS-SICVT-PVLLVM)
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To: Olog-hai

Which part of, ‘The Enemy Is Within The Gate’ don’t people understand?


3 posted on 04/03/2014 1:53:19 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Olog-hai

Good. Let them see the consequences of their faithlessness and neglect.


4 posted on 04/03/2014 1:54:22 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Pig roast !


5 posted on 04/03/2014 1:54:33 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Olog-hai

Private property is still..........private..............for a while anyways................


6 posted on 04/03/2014 1:58:47 PM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: SpinnerWebb

People who owe allegiance to a foreign power have no right to claim American prerogatives here and when that foreign power - the UMMA - is an enemy of America, they should be expelled in mass back to their homeland - i.e. Saudi Arabia to contemplate their demonic monn-god there.


7 posted on 04/03/2014 1:59:55 PM PDT by ZULU (STOP JEB BUSH!!!! NO MORE BUSHES!! US OUT OF THE UN AND UN OUT OF US!!)
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To: ZULU

We’d probably have to shut down 60% or more of American businesses...

Don’t disagree with you at all, but it is reality.


8 posted on 04/03/2014 2:02:05 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (IN-SAPORIBVS-SICVT-PVLLVM)
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To: SpinnerWebb

We’d probably have to shut down 60% or more of American businesses...

How so? Mohammadans only make up a small percentage of the population.


9 posted on 04/03/2014 2:03:54 PM PDT by ZULU (STOP JEB BUSH!!!! NO MORE BUSHES!! US OUT OF THE UN AND UN OUT OF US!!)
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To: Olog-hai

“Islamic group gets OK to cut crosses off”

Weren’t any heads available?


10 posted on 04/03/2014 2:05:55 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: Olog-hai

Years ago, before retiring from L.E., I was called to the scene of bones discovered in front of a church. The front walk was dug up to be repaired and they found the bones IFO the church, an old protestant church built in the early 20th century. Anyway, long story short, they were found to be pig bones, most likely remnants of an old barbecue.

I hope the old congregation of the church in Syracuse also had roasted up a pig at a church dinner and buried the bones on site.


11 posted on 04/03/2014 2:07:09 PM PDT by NY Cajun
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To: SpinnerWebb
Yep. After they cut the crosses off they can go inside & begin agitating to replace our constitutional republic with an Islamic theocracy.

The Constitution is a suicide pact.

12 posted on 04/03/2014 2:07:55 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Olog-hai

” Yusuf Soule, the center’s director, has been the public point-person for the mosque effort. He said the crosses must be removed because the Islamic faith prohibits worship of idols and symbols.”

yet they have no problem with the God damned blacl flags with scribbleshit on them ....


13 posted on 04/03/2014 2:08:39 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: LeoWindhorse

That site is a great target for some arsonist.


14 posted on 04/03/2014 2:10:32 PM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Olog-hai

Choosing our churches to make into their mosques just another ‘piss on you’ infidels. Suerly there are other places.


15 posted on 04/03/2014 2:11:41 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: LeoWindhorse

black flags with scribbleshit on them...good one!


16 posted on 04/03/2014 2:12:40 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Progov

Disco Inferno...


17 posted on 04/03/2014 2:13:13 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: ZULU
People who owe allegiance to a foreign power have no right to claim American prerogatives here

Which part of the First Amendment says that? Is it in the penumbras and emanations?

18 posted on 04/03/2014 2:15:42 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Olog-hai

While cutting the crosses off, it was LALALALALALALALALAALALAL time!


19 posted on 04/03/2014 2:15:44 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: SpinnerWebb

Ever heard of Proverbs 22:28?


20 posted on 04/03/2014 2:16:06 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Don’t blame the Muslims. America is turning into a post-Christian society. Its because Americans aren’t religious, not because Muslims are buying churches. If the church was full of parishoners, this wouldn’t happen. We are doing it to ourselves.


21 posted on 04/03/2014 2:16:56 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Think Article 3 section 3.


22 posted on 04/03/2014 2:17:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

someone came up with a good idea :

http://burntheblackflag.wordpress.com/


23 posted on 04/03/2014 2:19:13 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Olog-hai

You’re forgetting the “convicted...on the Testimony of two Witnesses” part of that section.


24 posted on 04/03/2014 2:19:26 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: SpinnerWebb; Romulus

Yes, agreed, it’s theirs...and the Church should be ashamed of itself for being unable to keep the parish going and having to sell it in the first place.

That said, I don’t think the sellers realized that it was going to be used as a mosque. Apparently this group posed as a sort welfare and educational organization working with Middle Eastern immigrants. As soon as they got the building, however, they announced that they in turn had sold it for use as a mosque.


25 posted on 04/03/2014 2:19:48 PM PDT by livius
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To: Olog-hai

a century-old former Catholic church so the now-vacant Gothic structure

Is it recognized as a “historic” structure?
Could be problems there.
One hopes...


26 posted on 04/03/2014 2:21:19 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Olog-hai

Mosque = Forward Operating Base


27 posted on 04/03/2014 2:21:47 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: livius

Exactly. Attend church and this won’t happen.


28 posted on 04/03/2014 2:22:32 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: Olog-hai

Photos at links

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/02/holy_trinity_church_in_syracus.html

http://cnylink.com/gallery/albums/07022009_12_18_41/index.php


29 posted on 04/03/2014 2:22:33 PM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Fight for what's right. Forget them.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Not forgetting. There’s also “Confession in Open Court”.


30 posted on 04/03/2014 2:27:21 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The people in Syracuse confessed in open court? I must have missed that.


31 posted on 04/03/2014 2:29:11 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: HMS Surprise

Does the Catholic Church base church closure/consolidation solely on attendance? The church was open until 2010, which suggests there was attendance.


32 posted on 04/03/2014 2:29:18 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Holy Trinity Church merged with St John the Baptist

http://www.sjbhtsyracuse.org/Pages/AboutUs.aspx


33 posted on 04/03/2014 2:31:02 PM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Fight for what's right. Forget them.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

The church might have been; after all, it closed only four years ago.


34 posted on 04/03/2014 2:31:12 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Ray76

There have been parishes consolidated where I live, but no churches closed thus far. Certainly none being planned to sell to any mosque-builders who have a symbolic point to make.


35 posted on 04/03/2014 2:32:40 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Lurking Libertarian

This is not about the “people in Syracuse”. Are you aware of what the concept of “ummah” entails?


36 posted on 04/03/2014 2:34:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

No doubt they’ll smash the stained glass windows.


37 posted on 04/03/2014 2:34:56 PM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Fight for what's right. Forget them.)
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To: SpinnerWebb

Can you imagine what they would do to Christians that desecrated a mosque in order to convert it to a church in an Islamic country? I think Jesus wanted us keeping our faith in our hearts as opposed to the temples anyways but, regardless of that, I’m still pretty uncomfortable with Islamic crusaders spreading their influence in America.


38 posted on 04/03/2014 2:36:28 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: SpinnerWebb

I agree. They bought it - it’s theirs...


39 posted on 04/03/2014 2:37:26 PM PDT by GOPJ (For your psycho gunman, a military base is basically a grade-school in uniform. - Mark Steyn)
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To: Olog-hai

Try cutting a crescent off a former mosque (if you can find one) and watch the nice Muslims go ape-s*** over it.


40 posted on 04/03/2014 2:37:43 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Ray76

Syracuse’s Holy Trinity has a new owner, and some major changes are coming for the former Roman Catholic church.

As we first reported on Monday, the church, rectory and its old school, currently used for refugee and immigration programs, have been sold to the North Side Learning Center (http://www.northsidelearning.org/), a North McBride Street-based all-volunteer organization founded in 2009.

Dr. Yusuf Soule (http://www.northsidelearning.org/about/board-of-directors/yusuf-soule-program-director/), who heads up North Side Learning Center, confirms that his not for profit program has bought the campus and will lease the former church to a new Islamic society, which will name it ‘Mosque of Jesus the Son of Mary’ (Masjit Isa Ibn Maryam). The group is already working in the sanctuary, which Soule says has leaks in the walls and flooring after being vacant almost four years. Pews and benches, as well as the Christian symbols inside, have already been removed.

North Side Learning has filed with the Landmark Preservation Board to remove the crosses from the steeples and grounds. The reason, in the petitions, “Due to new usage of the church as a place of worship for other religious group than used previously, where crosses on the building are not in line with the worshipping practices.”

The petition also requests permission to to put a 6-foot chain link fence around the property ‘to increase security.’ Soule says the group’s current offices on North McBride at Butternut have seen several car break ins, and there are concerns.

Holy Trinity, on Syrause’s Park Street, was closed by the diocese in 2010 and the parish was merged with St. John the Baptist. Parishoners fought against plans to sell stained glass windows and the building’s hand-crafted interiors. In 2012, the Landmark Preservation Board denied the request to remove the windows.

The petition for the cross removal and the fence installation is before the Landmark Preservation Board at its April session. The North Side Learning Center and the new mosque hope to be ready to open, the end of June.

http://www.sjbhtsyracuse.org/Pages/HOLYTRINITYWINDOWSUPDATE.aspx


41 posted on 04/03/2014 2:39:41 PM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Fight for what's right. Forget them.)
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To: GOPJ

Some people don’t feel that way about Alaska.


42 posted on 04/03/2014 2:42:38 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

There was a diocesan - or perhaps NY archdiocesan - policy that encouraged the closing of churches, not because they didn’t have a congregation or because they were in debt (this one was apparently ok), but because they “might” in the future have expenses they couldn’t cover.

The Vatican actually prevented the closing of one such church in Rochester (I think it was) just a couple of months ago, so I don’t think Francis is on board with this “close ‘em all policy.” Unfortunately, Cdl Dolan is a big fan of the suburbs and the creation of mega-parishes, and he has hired a consulting firm that is going around recommending urban or rural churches for closing.

I hope Pope Francis’ view triumphs, since it is obviously the view that you’ve just got to trust God more and get out there and evangelize more.


43 posted on 04/03/2014 2:43:02 PM PDT by livius
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To: Olog-hai

It’s not like they invaded the town slaughtered the infidels and the church building was a conquest....

They bought it...like any other piece of property....

Would people rather have it sit there and rot....?

At least the FBI can do is plant listening devices while remodeling to worship their demon moon god...


44 posted on 04/03/2014 2:44:59 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Popman

Just like Red China is buying up swathes of land in that selfsame state. Is the USA for sale to every one of its enemies? I used to think the only ones who thought so were people like Bill Clinton . . .


45 posted on 04/03/2014 2:48:18 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The real question to ask is why the Bishop of the Syracuse diocese allowed a Catholic Church building to be sold to a Muslim organization. That Bishop should be run out of town on a rail.

The second question is why are over 7,000 immigrants who are likely Muslims being imported and deposited in the Syracuse area. It seems to me that our Federal government is out to destroy our way of life.


46 posted on 04/03/2014 3:03:41 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: CdMGuy

It seems to me that our Federal government is out to destroy our way of life.


Correction:

It’s OBVIOUS that “our” federal government is out to destroy our way of life - iow, all that is good, worthy and decent about America. And has been obvious for some time.


47 posted on 04/03/2014 3:06:56 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

No. Actually it is a fact recorded in over 2000 years of Human History. Societies which loose the ability to control who moves into their borders, and or allow infiltration of fifth columnists, collapse from within.


48 posted on 04/03/2014 3:28:07 PM PDT by ZULU (STOP JEB BUSH!!!! NO MORE BUSHES!! US OUT OF THE UN AND UN OUT OF US!!)
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To: Olog-hai

And the nation goes deeper and deeper into a cesspool of evil.


49 posted on 04/03/2014 3:46:58 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: Olog-hai
Is the USA for sale to every one of its enemies?

I guess so...

...or would prefer the government decides who can own land or property...

The ability to own or buy / sell land is a fundamental principle of a free society...

50 posted on 04/03/2014 4:01:50 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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