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Univ. of Leicester students: Noah’s Ark would've floated w/ two each of 35,000 species of animal
News Corp Australia ^ | April 4, 2014

Posted on 04/03/2014 3:39:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

NOAH’S Ark would have floated — even with two of every animal on board, physicists have determined based on the weight of the beasts and the buoyancy of the boat.

The students from the Department of Physics and Astronomy at the University of Leicester who came to this conclusion used the dimensions for the boat that were given in the Bible.

In the book of Genesis, Noah is commanded to build an ark which is 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high to house himself, his family and two of every species of animal.

For the study, the students settled on a cubit being 48.2cm long and found the ark could support the weight of 2.5 million sheep. The university said that previous research suggested there were approximately 35,000 species of animals in Noah’s time.

The students said it was not clear if all the animals would actually be able to fit on board. But if they did, the boat would still float.

Student Thomas Morris, 22, said: “You don’t think of the Bible necessarily as a scientifically accurate source of information, so I guess we were quite surprised when we discovered it would work. We’re not proving that it’s true, but the concept would definitely work.”

The full paper, The animals float two by two, hurrah!, was published in a peer-reviewed student journal.

Research lead Oliver Youle, 22, explained the science behind the study.

“Every object when immersed in a liquid has an upwards force acting against it — a buoyancy force; it also has a weight acting downwards — a downwards force, and in order for it to float, these two forces need to be equal.”(continued)

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bible; noah; physics; science

1 posted on 04/03/2014 3:39:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It wasn’t 2 each there were. 7 pairs of the clean animals, not just a pair


2 posted on 04/03/2014 3:42:08 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Correct — I’ve never counted how many were actually ‘clean’ though. Can’t be too many.


3 posted on 04/03/2014 3:43:52 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I presume they calculated this using original measurements. Remarkable that it turns out to work, but when you think about it, it shouldn’t be a surprise. When a historical document is specific in its measurements, it is probably based in historical fact. There was indeed an ark.


4 posted on 04/03/2014 3:44:12 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s a story, not literal truth.


5 posted on 04/03/2014 3:44:32 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Where did all this water we currently have on Earth come from?


6 posted on 04/03/2014 3:46:13 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: EEGator

“It’s a story, not literal truth.”

ARE YOU CALLING JESUS CHRIST A LIAR?

Matthew 24:37-41
37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.


7 posted on 04/03/2014 3:50:47 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: EEGator

Almost every ancient civilization or culture, even those very far removed from the Holy Land, have a flood story. You knew that, right?


8 posted on 04/03/2014 3:52:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Bingo.


9 posted on 04/03/2014 3:53:02 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: Fungi

Evian?


10 posted on 04/03/2014 3:54:44 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: EEGator

“It’s a story, not literal truth.”

Anyone can believe that but none can KNOW it.


11 posted on 04/03/2014 3:54:58 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Similarity of stories has nothing to do with it being true or not. Water “cleaning things away” is evident to most people in life. It makes sense to have a story using water to purify.


12 posted on 04/03/2014 3:58:30 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: TalBlack

Correct.


13 posted on 04/03/2014 3:59:01 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Fungi

From hydrogen, the most abundant element in the universe and oxygen, the third most common element in the universe.


14 posted on 04/03/2014 4:02:19 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; a man who respects it has earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: EEGator
It’s a story, not literal truth.

How do you know that with certainty?

15 posted on 04/03/2014 4:02:29 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

.


16 posted on 04/03/2014 4:04:33 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: EEGator

http://www.noahthemovie.com/ For your viewing pleasure.

This is a 30-minute watch and a free e-book as well.

“Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires.” 2 Peter 3:3 NIV


17 posted on 04/03/2014 4:05:22 PM PDT by Maudeen (Jesus is the Answer. . .now what is the question?)
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To: FatherofFive

I can’t.


18 posted on 04/03/2014 4:06:16 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“From hydrogen, the most abundant element in the universe and oxygen, the third most common element in the universe.”

What sorcery is this?!


19 posted on 04/03/2014 4:09:14 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: EEGator

EEGator,

As in the days of Noah...

http://patburt.com/


20 posted on 04/03/2014 4:10:06 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder how Noah was able to get species like the Polar bear, bison, Kangaroo, Koala, Tasmanian Devil etc on the boat. Or for that matter how did any of those species end up on in North America or especially Australia after the flood?


21 posted on 04/03/2014 4:12:07 PM PDT by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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Bookmarking


22 posted on 04/03/2014 4:13:12 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnKu9MN4MU


23 posted on 04/03/2014 4:13:18 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It floated because GOD caused it to be made by His standards, thus it floated and would never have sunk. Not only did it have to carry the load, but also withstand the storm. It did, thus God made it happen. End of story.


24 posted on 04/03/2014 4:14:50 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: Fungi

Turns out there is enough underground water deep in the Earth’s crust to cover the world several times over. Recent story on that. Will see if I can find it.

OK here it is: http://m.phys.org/news/2014-01-ocean-beneath-feet.html


25 posted on 04/03/2014 4:22:15 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who gives a damn?


26 posted on 04/03/2014 4:22:27 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who gives a damn?


27 posted on 04/03/2014 4:22:51 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat
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To: GeronL

Was also so two of each ‘kind’...which doesn’t necessarily mean 2 of each species...


28 posted on 04/03/2014 4:29:57 PM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: piytar

The ark comes to rest for the last time on the 17th day of the seventh month (Nisan); and mankind is delivered and saved.

That also happens to be the day of the resurrection.

I don’t think that is a coincidence.

(the start of the year was shifted around a bit after Israel returned from the exile, so the numbering of the months changed, but the above is correct.)


29 posted on 04/03/2014 4:32:12 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: EEGator

How interesting that such a story, written thousands of years ago, could contain specific design instructions that, when followed, would create a sea worthy ship that would indeed hold what the ‘story’ says it would hold. Amazing someone could just pull that one out of their butt. ;)


30 posted on 04/03/2014 4:34:52 PM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the evidence is there was a flood

if the earth was flooded some had to survive

Hence Noah

QED


31 posted on 04/03/2014 4:34:54 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: EEGator

It’s literal truth, not a story
see my tagline


32 posted on 04/03/2014 4:48:46 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: sharkhawk

So 1.2 million species currently known and 35,000 in Noah’s time means a whole lot of evolution has occurred.


33 posted on 04/03/2014 4:49:08 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: sharkhawk

Wasn’t it Mark Twain who pointed out there had to be all kinds of bacteria and germs on board.


34 posted on 04/03/2014 5:08:06 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Noah`s wife was Chinese and ordered DIM SUN to go.


35 posted on 04/03/2014 5:23:56 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

According to scripture the ark was 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high.

A conservative calculation for the cubit is around 17.5 inches while some scholars believe it to be closer to 56 centimeters or 22 inches.

This puts the arks size at around 437 feet long, 72 feet wide by 43 feet high.

(A length to width proportion of 6 to 1 which is still used by naval architects)

There were two floors which gave added support and three decks equaling around 96,000 square feet.

Now for the amount of capacity.

Besides Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives, living creatures, of every sort of flesh, two of each ‘kind’ were to be brought on board.
(male and female)
Of the ‘clean’ beasts and fowls, seven of each were to be brought aboard.

It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family ‘kinds’- the horse and cow to mention only two.

With this thinking, some scientists have said that had there been 43 ‘kinds’ of mammals, 74 ‘kinds’ of birds and 10 ‘kinds’ of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the number of species that we have today.

This is only speculation and seems restrictive since sources such as the Encyclopedia Americana indicates that there are upwards of 1,300,000 species of animals.

However, over 60 percent of these are insects.

Breaking the figures down further, of the 24,000 amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals, 10,000 are birds, 9,000 are reptiles and amphibians, many of which could have survived outside of the ark.

5,000 are mammals, including whales and porpoises which would have also remained outside the ark.

Some scientists estimate that there are only about 290 species of land animals larger than sheep and about 1,360 smaller than rats.

If you wish to do the mathematics you can see where the ark was large enough to handle the amount of ‘species’ that would carry on to today.

(I have a headache in just researching the scriptures and getting this overly long post ready for posting)

I know, some will say what about the dinosaurs but since that isn’t mentioned in scripture .. my guess is that they didn’t live during the time of Noah.

These are just my thoughts, simple as they may be and not all encompassing for sure.

Other Christians can probably add more than what I have said here because .. there is so much more!

I apologize if I have upset any of my friends on the forum.

(any spelling errors are strictly mine) 8(


36 posted on 04/03/2014 5:24:54 PM PDT by stirrinthepuddin
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To: VerySadAmerican

Who had to clean all those animals?
One 18” window: How many gallons of Glade air spray did they use?
Whose idea was it allow ticks, mosquitos and Democrats?
And if the water covered everything—even Mt. Everest—that’s a lot of H2O. Where did it all go?
Enquiring minds want to know ....


37 posted on 04/03/2014 5:28:45 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: stirrinthepuddin
This is why:

Sorry...:)
38 posted on 04/03/2014 5:31:13 PM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day.)
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To: Fuzz

Wasn’t there some article about huge “clouds” (well, denser than clouds) of water floating through space, possible that one of these “clouds” “washed” over the earth and placed all the water?


39 posted on 04/03/2014 5:45:09 PM PDT by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: bert

And many thousands of fishermen, too, right? They had boats and could navigate the seas.

Also, exactly how old was Noah when he built this ark? I went to a play that claimed he was many hundreds of years old. Is that literal?


40 posted on 04/03/2014 6:29:07 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: stirrinthepuddin

“The students said it was not clear if all the animals would actually be able to fit on board. But if they did, the boat would still float.”

Yeah, that’s not very clear but whatever floats your boat, boys.
There are 6.5 million known species found on land and 2.2 million dwelling in the oceans, rivers and lakes.

And most of them have particular diets, for ex. that cute little `bear’ from Down Under can thrive only on fresh eucalyptus leaves. Keep in mind that Noah was also ordered to load chow for his own family and food and fresh water for over 17 million animals, who understood they were not to eat one another. (But once things got back to normal, about 190 days after the rain started, the prey/predator relationship and meat-eating for the heads of the food chain—OK.)

Considering that Jehovah then gave Noah and his family, wife, sons and daughters-in-law, only seven (7) days notice of his additional desire to have seven more of all the “clean animals” added to the cargo, I think Noah deserves congratulations for his ability to exhort his crew to gather these scores of millions of additional specimens, all from the four corners of the Earth and from beneath the seven seas, in time.
(Further complicating the storage problem is that water species prefer either salt or fresh water, so we’ll have to assume that most of the sea creatures made out OK on their own, e.g. the larger whales, even if the rain was not salty.)

On top of these difficult logistics, Noah was getting up there in age. I sure hope that I’m that fit when I hit 500 years. I love this story. It’s absolutely incredible!


41 posted on 04/03/2014 6:50:57 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: onedoug

ping


42 posted on 04/03/2014 6:58:28 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What I think about that is ... how many dog varieties are there ... and then ... how many dog kinds are there?


43 posted on 04/03/2014 7:02:58 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Jesus used those stories to explain things in ways that we would understand. Not literal truth.


44 posted on 04/03/2014 7:10:55 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: TalBlack
Anyone can believe that but none can KNOW it.

I look at a hummingbird and understand without cutting into it's skull that it has a brain capable of facial recognition. There's not one person on earth can explain the exact processes by which that brain works. But the hummingbird still has a brain. And it can still recognize faces. This, FRiend, is what Faith is.

45 posted on 04/03/2014 7:16:24 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: piytar

If anyone were to research it honestly, there is conclusive archeological evidence for the great flood.


46 posted on 04/03/2014 7:19:07 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Fuzz; E. Pluribus Unum
“From hydrogen, the most abundant element in the universe and oxygen, the third most common element in the universe.”

It's almost like English.

47 posted on 04/03/2014 8:27:54 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Jesus used those stories to explain things in ways that we would understand. Not literal truth.”

NOAH was in JESUS’ genology that traces back to ADAM.
TO DENY EXISTED IS TO DENY JESUS EXISTED.

6 When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father of Enosh. 7 After he became the father of Enosh, Seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters. 8 Altogether, Seth lived a total of 912 years, and then he died.

9 When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan. 10 After he became the father of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters. 11 Altogether, Enosh lived a total of 905 years, and then he died.

12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel. 13 After he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Altogether, Kenan lived a total of 910 years, and then he died.

15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared. 16 After he became the father of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Altogether, Mahalalel lived a total of 895 years, and then he died.

18 When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch. 19 After he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Altogether, Jared lived a total of 962 years, and then he died.

21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 After he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked faithfully with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. 24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.

25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 After he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters. 27 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died.

28 When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him NOAH and said, “He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the Lord has cursed.” 30 After NOAH was born, Lamech lived 595 years and had other sons and daughters. 31 Altogether, Lamech lived a total of 777 years, and then he died.

32 After NOAH was 500 years old, he became the father of SHEM, HAM and JAPETH.


48 posted on 04/03/2014 10:05:22 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

TO DENY NOAH EXISTED IS TO DENY JESUS EXISTED.


49 posted on 04/03/2014 10:07:40 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: piytar

It was a rhetorical question and everyone failed. Where did all the “current” water in the oceans come from and why is it there?


50 posted on 04/05/2014 9:41:14 PM PDT by Fungi
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