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HHS “Started” Individual Obamacare Applications Prior To Deadline,Obtained Personal Info From States
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Posted on 04/04/2014 8:33:17 AM PDT by M. Thatcher

In the closing days of the open enrollment period for the Affordable Care Act (ACA) , the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) was mailing out letters notifying certain Americans that they had already started a healthcare coverage application on their behalf.

The HHS letter stated that the information they used to begin the application for individual Healthcare was obtain by the state agency in charge of implementing Obamacare.

The next step for the individual would be visit Healthcare.gov and complete the already started application to see if they qualify for “Marketplace coverage.”

News of the HHS letter was first mentioned by a listener of the popular “Daybreak with Drew Steele” Show on Fox 92.5, which is out of Fort Myers, Florida.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: aca; fraud; hhs; noaccountability; obama; obamacare; obamacarefraud; obamacarerico

1 posted on 04/04/2014 8:33:17 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: M. Thatcher

And there’s the “miraculous” last minute surge in enrollment.


2 posted on 04/04/2014 8:36:08 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: M. Thatcher
And they also took the liberty of reaching into their bank accounts and making their payments for them.
3 posted on 04/04/2014 8:39:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; a man who respects it has earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Jim Robinson

7 million new applications, and dozens, nay, scores of the new applicants actually knew they were applying!


4 posted on 04/04/2014 8:41:04 AM PDT by null and void (I don't mind getting older, but I hate wearing out!)
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To: M. Thatcher

So that’s how 5.5 million turned into 7.1 million in less than a week. No doubt, to save these applicants the trouble, HHS has already cast their votes for the Democrats running for office this fall. They are so helpful to the Dependent Class.


5 posted on 04/04/2014 8:42:41 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: M. Thatcher

Certain americans....illegals??


6 posted on 04/04/2014 8:43:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Jim Robinson; txrefugee

Cavuto: Obamacare Actual New Enrollees = 1.2 Million
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3140805/posts


7 posted on 04/04/2014 8:52:17 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: M. Thatcher

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/breaking-hhs-started-obamacare-applications-for-americans-without-their-knowledge-or-permission/#!


8 posted on 04/04/2014 8:59:49 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: M. Thatcher; Liz

Democrats are cheating the system to fudge higher numbers. How surprising. /s


9 posted on 04/04/2014 9:00:00 AM PDT by GOPJ (For your psycho gunman, a military base is basically a grade-school in uniform. - Mark Steyn)
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To: Jim Robinson
And there’s the “miraculous” last minute surge in enrollment.

And most of them had a pre-existing condition obviated by having a Forest Lawn Cemetery Address.

10 posted on 04/04/2014 9:05:35 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: M. Thatcher

To quote another Freeper,

“Obama better pick up the speed on that victory lap as that steamroller is gaining on him.”


11 posted on 04/04/2014 9:06:20 AM PDT by LMAO (Insurgent conservative)
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To: freeangel

Obama and his liars wanted the networks to give them free primetime to ‘celebrate’ their ‘successes’ with Obamacare lies... I’m amazed the networks had enough integrity to turn them down...

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BREAKING: HHS Started Obamacare Applications for Americans Without Their Knowledge or Permission
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, April 4, 2014, 9:32 AM

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/breaking-hhs-started-obamacare-applications-for-americans-without-their-knowledge-or-permission/#!


12 posted on 04/04/2014 9:06:41 AM PDT by GOPJ (For your psycho gunman, a military base is basically a grade-school in uniform. - Mark Steyn)
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To: M. Thatcher

Racketeering is A-Ok as long as the Rat government is doing it for the people’s “best interests”. It’s the thought that counts.


13 posted on 04/04/2014 9:13:27 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: GOPJ

Outrageous——and Creep/O stood there basking in the applause for “reaching the goal.”


14 posted on 04/04/2014 10:16:05 AM PDT by Liz
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To: M. Thatcher

Seems impeachable to me.


15 posted on 04/04/2014 10:20:17 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Jim Robinson

Complete and utter FRAUD.


16 posted on 04/04/2014 11:42:23 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Liz

I’m with you - that was creepy.


17 posted on 04/04/2014 11:57:33 AM PDT by GOPJ (For your psycho gunman, a military base is basically a grade-school in uniform. - Mark Steyn)
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To: unixfox

Wow! I knew he is a fraud and a liar and nothing would shock me that he did, but he always manages to push the envelope. This takes the cake! Word needs to get out to all the local news stations before the elections about this.


18 posted on 04/04/2014 1:18:25 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: M. Thatcher

As I understand it, the Zeroids were running enrollment drives in prisons. That’s 7.1 million people right there.


19 posted on 04/04/2014 5:10:39 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare is Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: M. Thatcher

another reason to fly under the radar
whenever possible


20 posted on 04/04/2014 5:25:07 PM PDT by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: M. Thatcher

Stand in front of cameras and in front of the people and lie like hell. And they get away with it because the media worships them.

It is so obvious this is how they got to the 7 point ONE million. It would have looked fraudulent if they had said 7 million and one. They should have said “almost 8 million”. Hell, they could have said a hundred million and gotten away with it.


21 posted on 04/04/2014 7:25:42 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: All

you know, I almost don’t believe this is true.


22 posted on 04/04/2014 11:24:27 PM PDT by willywill
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To: Liz

I’d like to see him basking in boiling oil. Oops, I meant basting!


23 posted on 04/05/2014 1:26:12 AM PDT by itssme
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To: itssme; GOPJ; Grampa Dave; sickoflibs; justiceseeker93; TADSLOS; Libloather; randita; Chuzzlewit; ..
This needs to go viral.

EXHIBIT ONE We cannot overlook the distinct possibility that forcing the "magic number" caused vote-crazed, desperate Obamatons to phony up the O/Care enrollment list:

-----falsifying official govt documents is a felony,

-----forgery could be involved,

----falsified documents sent over the internet means criminal wire fraud could be in the mix.

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EXHIBIT TWO Govt factotums "pencil-whipping" official documents should be considered:

-----1. To approve a document without actually knowing or reviewing what it is that is being approved.

----- 2. To complete a form, record, or document without having performed the implied work or without supporting data or evidence.

USAGE "Knowing the auditors were coming in just a week, we chose to pencil whip the quarterly inventory forms for the last year." (This term is popular among military personnel and auditors.)

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EXHIBIT THREE The penalty for falsifying government documents is outlined in the Crimes Act of 1958.

Many different types of acts can be considered as falsifying a document, including:
◾Altering or misrepresenting factual information such as prices or monetary amounts
◾Stating false information when requested to provide truthful statements
◾Forging a signature
◾Using official letterheads without authorization
◾Concealing assets or property WRT obtaining federal/state grants, and/or subsidies
◾Knowingly using or distributing a fake document

A person can only be held criminally liable if they are deliberately acting with the intention of deceiving or defrauding another party. /

Falsifying documents is a very serious offense and is generally classified as a felony. This means that a person charged with falsifying documents may be subject to the following legal penalties:
◾Having to pay a monetary fine
◾Incarceration in a prison facility

Depending on the gravity of the offense, as well as individual state laws, falsifying documents can result in a prison sentence of 5-10 years. Also, if government documents or authorities were involved, the legal penalties may be more severe. ..... legal penalties may increase with repeat offenses.

24 posted on 04/05/2014 3:47:42 AM PDT by Liz
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To: M. Thatcher; Fred Nerks; TigersEye; Jim Robinson
In the closing days of the open enrollment period for the Affordable Care Act (ACA) , the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) was mailing out letters notifying certain Americans that they had already started a healthcare coverage application on their behalf>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thats the way the Obama fascist ball bounces! And "affordable" Obama Care will pay their premiums too in order to buy votes, if their confidential State medical info. indicates a person is one of several Obama Campaign "designated" racial minorities. But if one is a cracker, you gotta pay yourself! I just changed all of my state medical info regarding race. I am now 'African American" by the stroke of my pen, and whats more, I am NOT rascist, although I do admit looking like Al Jolsen these days/S. I just want to save money. Oh the wages of fascism! I guess that will work until it becomes a crime to falsely claim racial minority status ( not long coming either.), or I run out of Kiwi. Do you see NOW how minority and ethnic superiority ( Obama Ideology, Jeremiah Wright ideology) will be worked INTO our executive branches of government? Thats redistribution of wealth ! The Hope and Change is HERE!

25 posted on 04/05/2014 5:29:20 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: VerySadAmerican
It is so obvious this is how they got to the 7 point ONE million

And nobody asked him about the other 40+ million this boondoggle was supposed to cover.

26 posted on 04/05/2014 12:14:42 PM PDT by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: M. Thatcher; socialismisinsidious; dfwgator; doug from upland; Red Steel; AJFavish; ...
The HHS letter stated that the information they used to begin the application for individual Healthcare was obtain [sic] by the state agency in charge of implementing Obamacare.

Does anyone know (1) which states participated in this giving of information to HHS, and (2) how these state agencies would possibly know which of their citizens would want or need a new Obamacare-compliant policy, without violating that individual's privacy?

Just hoping that a copy of this particular HHS letter will be available to the general public, so that more people can see how radical this administration is.

The next step for the individual would be visit Healthcare.gov and complete the already started application to see if they qualify for “Marketplace coverage.”

Now suppose the individual is not computer literate? How would he/she be able to visit Healthcare.gov?

And what is the individual threatened with if he/she does NOT visit the site to complete his/her application?

Furthermore, determining whether an individual "qualifies for Marketplace Coverage" sounds like a backdoor way of putting people who otherwise wouldn't be interested on MEDICAID (if they don't qualify).

27 posted on 04/05/2014 2:41:28 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Liz; All
Those laws you cited against falsifying government documents may be on the books, but it goes without saying that they generally don't apply to government officials, especially when Obama is president and Holder is AG.
28 posted on 04/05/2014 2:47:22 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: M. Thatcher

How do they legally and lawfully have access to that information and the license to fill out any serious document on anyone’s behalf.


29 posted on 04/05/2014 2:49:02 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: justiceseeker93
The laws you cited don't apply to government officials, especially when Obama is president and Holder is AG.

Whether or not Holder/Obama like it, any and all criminal complaints to a L/E agency (like the FBI) c-o-m-p-e-l-s an investigation.

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(1) which states participated in giving confidential information to HHS, and (2) how would state agencies know which of their citizens would want or need a new Obamacare-compliant policy.......without violating that individual's privacy--and without consulting the individual?

PLUS---this is a biggie: for an application to be legally enforced, the individual would have had to sign it. Who signed the app?

Forgery must be considered.

When a third party commits you to a financial transaction, that person is considered your fiduciary....and should not act WRT a payment method or other financial burden that conflicts with your best interests.

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FBI TIPS PAGE https://tips.fbi.gov

30 posted on 04/05/2014 3:07:55 PM PDT by Liz
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To: M. Thatcher

This should be a violation of PII regulations. PII stands for Personally Identifying Information.


31 posted on 04/05/2014 3:18:11 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: M. Thatcher
...U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) was mailing out letters notifying certain Americans that they had already started a healthcare coverage application on their behalf.

HHS - all the dignity, honesty and elegance of Detroit - without the hellhole's charm....

32 posted on 04/06/2014 7:09:37 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Dog shit by Mail" could be sold to 7 million Americans IF IRS muscle was behind the venture.)
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