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US Criticizes Russia's Gas Price Hike for Ukraine
Voice of America ^ | April 4, 2014

Posted on 04/04/2014 8:49:23 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

The White House objected to Russia's increase in natural gas prices for Ukraine on Thursday and said markets should determine prices.

White House Spokesman Jay Carney spoke after Russian natural gas producer Gazprom announced it would virtually double the gas price for Ukraine to $485 per 1,000 cubic meters this month, which Ukraine said was politically motivated.

“That kind of action taken coercively against Ukraine is something we oppose,” Carney told reporters.

“We believe that markets should determine energy prices.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: energy; freemarket; gas; obama; putin; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
Dear Mr. President,

Please bring some of your concern about rising energy prices due to government policies home. Government policy is adversely affected our free markets in America and is driving energy costs through the roof. Perhaps you should look into this.

Or perhaps we the people should place sanctions against our government.

Regards (not),

Jim Robinson

1 posted on 04/04/2014 8:49:23 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Carney told reporters.

“We believe that markets should determine energy prices.”

I can't believe this little pissant said this with a straight face.

2 posted on 04/04/2014 8:51:10 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Obunghole: Free markets? Never heard of him.


3 posted on 04/04/2014 8:51:43 AM PDT by harwood (Ann Coulter: Future SCOTUS nominee!)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Prez controls gas prices the very same way here. Check historical gas prices around the last election and see if I’m wrong...lol


4 posted on 04/04/2014 8:54:51 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Jim Robinson

We need a worldwide “Ca$h for Clunkers” program to dispose of most politicians.


5 posted on 04/04/2014 8:55:09 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Responsibility2nd

Putin should have said he was doing it to fight global warming, then he’d get a Nobel Prize.


6 posted on 04/04/2014 8:55:13 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Jim Robinson

But-but-but aren’t higher prices for energy GOOD for everybody’s economic outlook?

After all, by raising the cost of a unit of energy, by whatever means, doesn’t that cause people to take steps to REDUCE their use of it, and become more efficient? And reduce their personal carbon footprint?

The Ukraine should immediately ban the sale of all incandescent light bulbs. Works for the territory once known as “the United States of America”, doesn’t it?

(Do I HAVE to put on the “< /sarcasm > tag?)


7 posted on 04/04/2014 8:56:12 AM PDT by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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To: Jim Robinson
US Criticizes Russia's Gas Price Hike for Ukraine, While raising gas prices for US residents and further applying carbon taxes to the point of economic tyranny.
8 posted on 04/04/2014 8:57:42 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Carney then exited the White House to fill up with summer blend gasoline refined under EPA state-by-state mandates.


9 posted on 04/04/2014 8:58:52 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The End)
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To: Jim Robinson

So the amber stain sniffing lil’ by blow has gone from telling American citizens what they must buy, to dictating what and at what price a sovereign nation must sell of its own natural resources? We are governed by Caligula.


10 posted on 04/04/2014 8:59:23 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Jim Robinson
The White House objected to Russia's increase in natural gas prices...

Pot...kettle...black...

11 posted on 04/04/2014 9:02:22 AM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Putin is making good on his threat - he actually threatened to cut off ALL gas supplies to the EU (and why they backed down).

The EU is more dependent on Putin than he ever will be on them:

Russia is a charter member of BRICS, a 5-nation, mighty economic trading bloc that includes, China, Brazil, India and South Africa. BRICS represents 3 billion people with a combined GDP of $14.8 trillion.

Putin is also a founding member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which, in addition to the central founding players of Russia and China, also includes members nations Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan, plus guest nations India, Belarus, Iran, Mongolia, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Belarus, Turkey and Turkmenestan.

Putin has worked to put Russia in a strong economic position and he is pushing forward the Eurasian Union as a bulwark against the EU. He has made Russia the fulcrum of power around which economic blocs such as BRICS revolve so as to stymie the influence of the IMF.

Russia’s public debt ratio is the lowest among major nations.
Compare that with the bankrupt US, $17 trillion in debt, running on money borrowed from China, with bridges collapsing and 44 million citizens on food stamps.

“Look at their (America’s) trade balance, their debt, and budget. They turn on the printing press and flood the whole world with government bonds. There is no way we will act this way.... We don’t have the luxury of such hooliganism.”

-—”Vlad the Bad” Putin


12 posted on 04/04/2014 9:04:20 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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To: FBD
Ping.

Obama need your help with Putin and Russia again.

13 posted on 04/04/2014 9:05:15 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Wait until the "other shoe drops" in Ukraine:

According to a report in Kommersant-Ukraine, the finance ministry of Washington’s stooges in Kiev who are pretending to be a government has prepared an economic austerity plan that will cut Ukrainian pensions from $160 to $80 so that Western bankers who lent money to Ukraine can be repaid at the expense of Ukraine’s poor.

Welcome to the EU!! Welcome to austerity, homosexual "rights" shoved down your throat, massive third world immigration from Africa and more!!

14 posted on 04/04/2014 9:07:39 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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To: Bon of Babble
Welcome to the EU!! Welcome to austerity, homosexual "rights" shoved down your throat, massive third world immigration from Africa and more!!

Which explains why Golden Dawn and Jobbik are doing so well in Greece and Hungary. No doubt it will have the same effect in Ukraine.

15 posted on 04/04/2014 9:08:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: jsanders2001

Gas is averaging ≈ $4.05 in the Los Angeles area this morning.

16 posted on 04/04/2014 9:10:27 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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To: dfwgator

Yes, except with more violence in the Ukraine, IMO.


17 posted on 04/04/2014 9:11:25 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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To: Bon of Babble
Forgot the add the graphic!! How could I forget?? Must have been the recent fill-up at the gas station here in California, it really rattled my brain to pay THAT much for gas...

Here it is:

And an extra one to boot!!


18 posted on 04/04/2014 9:15:57 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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To: Bon of Babble

Which why Putin in all likelihood won’t invade the rest of Ukraine. He doesn’t need to. Allow the IMF, EU and US enough time and Ukraine will drop like a ripe apple into the lap of Russia.


19 posted on 04/04/2014 9:17:08 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Jim Robinson

20 posted on 04/04/2014 9:18:30 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Jim Robinson

This is what a gas company does. Its within its rights to raise prices. Incidentally, it costs a lot of money to extract gas, refine it and transport it to consumers. If Jay Carney does not like GazProm’s policy, nothing is keeping the West from providing Ukraine with subsidized gas.

And you’re spot in noting we have to failed to develop our own gas resources, thanks to being held hostage to this Administration’s pro-Green and anti-development policies. We criticize the Russians for acting like a strong country. If we see them as an adversary, we should put our own house in order first.


21 posted on 04/04/2014 9:20:02 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: jsanders2001

Obama should have told Ukrainians they need to budget better or that gas prices would necessarily skyrocket.


22 posted on 04/04/2014 9:25:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: dfwgator

It’s amazing that Putin gets anything done at all from laughing at Obama’s daily little pi$$y announcements.


23 posted on 04/04/2014 9:31:36 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I read the first sentence and I have to ask: Is this satire?


24 posted on 04/04/2014 10:07:11 AM PDT by WayneS (Help Control Politician Overpopulation - Spay or Neuter Your Senator or Congressman Today!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Government policy is adversely affected our free markets in America and is driving energy costs through the roof.

Are you saying that paying farmers to use the winter's supply of home heating propane to dry late green, wet immature corn to produce ethanol to screw up the nation's gasoline supply "adversely affected our free markets in America"?

The EPA is here to HELP us. They are our FRIENDS. It's not THEIR fault that propane was $6 a gallon this winter.

In fact it was probably Bush's fault, and the fault of that Jim Thompson fella, too.

The White House: filled with hypocritical, lying evil clowns.

25 posted on 04/04/2014 10:12:49 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: goldstategop
The proof is in the price, as this and other articles have pointed out, the price quoted is $485/ thousand cubic meters which is an 80% price hike which means the old price was $269/1000 cu M. And some of the articles have pointed out that part of the price is being used to retire the debt that Ukraine already owes Russia for natural gas.

Here, we price it by the cubic foot or 1000 cubic feet(MCF) or million cubic feet(MMCF). I don't really keep up with the price but it has been inching up and the cold winter also pushed it up some. So lets say it is high $4s or $4.85/1000MCF. You can convert cubic meters to cubic feet but it is a lot, lot, lot, lot cheaper.

We have a glut of natural gas in the US. Nobody is drilling dry natural gas wells, only wet gas wells. Most of the new electrical generating capacity being added is natural gas and wind is a distant second while coal is a distant third.

Over the last 2 years, Obama has issued 7 natural gas exporting permits. The last one was March 24 in Oregon. And because of the Russia issue, many are calling for more and faster export permits. OTOH, the US manufacturing sector says slow down or stop the nat gas exports.

26 posted on 04/04/2014 10:15:46 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Responsibility2nd
"Carney told reporters
“We believe that markets should determine
[fossil-based] energy prices.”

There. That's more accurate.

27 posted on 04/04/2014 10:23:36 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: goldstategop

“This is what a gas company does. Its within its rights to raise prices. Incidentally, it costs a lot of money to extract gas, refine it and transport it to consumers. If Jay Carney does not like GazProm’s policy, nothing is keeping the West from providing Ukraine with subsidized gas.”

Once again, you are serving as a disinformation agent and propagandist for Putin’s regime. GAZPROM is a government and Putin controlled entity, so it is in reality an arm of Putin’s Russian government operating essentially as a state controlled company. As such, GAZPROM is being used as a political and economic weapon to destablize neighboring states in a prelude to invasion and conquest by Putin and Russia. Putin’s Russian regime is a signatory to a number of internaitonal agreements to refrain from using the oil and gas pipelines as a political tool in this manner and abide by normal international marjet rates. Russia in obediance to Putin’s orders have abrogated the agreements by doubling and tripling its rates for natural gas sold to former Soviet states. These prices exceed the market prices and have been used to inflate the market prices outside Russia. So, your omission of Russia’s obligations to refrain from using its natural gas and petroleum supplies as a political weapons reveals how you are using misleading statements to disseminate false propaganda.

“And you’re spot in noting we have to failed to develop our own gas resources, thanks to being held hostage to this Administration’s pro-Green and anti-development policies. We criticize the Russians for acting like a strong country. If we see them as an adversary, we should put our own house in order first.”

Anyone who serves as such a disinformation agent for Putin’s Russian regime is not one of us in loyalty.


28 posted on 04/04/2014 10:23:44 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
"we have to failed to develop our own gas resources"

As I pointed out in reply 26, we have glut of natural gas in the US.

We have this glut because of the nat gas shortages/price spikes in 2000-2001 and again after Hurricane Katrina(2005). These shortages/price spikes led to a boom of drilling in the shale gas formations and coupled with the new fracing technology has given us a glut.

29 posted on 04/04/2014 10:57:46 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Bon of Babble

That’s quite a bit of praise for a former KGB agent.
How did Putin become worth $70 billion?
I believe this article answers that question:


Russia under Putin
The making of a neo-KGB state

http://www.economist.com/node/9682621


.


30 posted on 04/04/2014 11:39:58 AM PDT by FBD
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To: goldstategop

“This is what a gas company does. Its within its rights to raise prices.”

Gazprom is controlled by Russian politicians, all of them made billionaires off of their countries natual resources. Russia *is** Gazprom. But it’s wealth is certainly not shared with the Russian people, anymore then their puppets in Ukraine shared their skimming with the poor public. How did Yanokovich’s son become worth over $15 billion?

http://m.nationalreview.com/article/372804/russia-gazprom-robert-bryce


31 posted on 04/04/2014 11:50:14 AM PDT by FBD
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To: Jim Robinson
US (publically) Criticizes Russia's Gas Price Hike for Ukraine

US (privately) praises Russia's Gas Price Hike for a solution to MAKE folks move to junk their freedom of travel in favor of Mass Transit Systems.

32 posted on 04/04/2014 12:26:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

free markets? Imagine that. I wonder if the blowhole would consider applying that approach to, oh, say, health care?


33 posted on 04/04/2014 12:28:16 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Paladin2
We need a worldwide “Ca$h for Clunkers” program to dispose of most politicians.

We need to modify voting in this country.

It's those OTHER jerks who elect them 'representatives' that we can't stand; so we should be able choose to NOT vote in our OWN area; to be able to vote AGAINST the OTHER states candidates.

34 posted on 04/04/2014 12:29:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ben Ficklin

You replied to the wrong post, see goldstategop Post 21.


35 posted on 04/04/2014 1:53:18 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Jim Robinson

Dear POTUS,

F-off.

You`re a failure as POTUS and in general and have no business sticking your nose in their business.

Sincerely,

Me


36 posted on 04/04/2014 4:31:12 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45 (Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: Argus

yep


37 posted on 04/04/2014 4:48:36 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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