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Analysis: U.S. Cozies Up to Kiev Gov't Including Far Right(McCain pictured next to Neo-Nazi leader?)
NBC News ^ | 3/30/2014 | Alexander Smith

Posted on 04/04/2014 11:24:37 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

Edited on 04/04/2014 11:31:18 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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Weren't Svoboda and Pravy Sektor (Right Sector) instrumental in toppling the old gov't?

Is Oleh Neo-Nazi?

Didn't John Kerry say that the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt were largely secular, and then two years later say that their ouster in Egypt was the restoration of Democracy in Egypt?

Hasn't a leader of the org. Right Sektor been shot by new gov't police lately?

Hmmm... Is this a case of not needing them anymore?

Just wondering...

1 posted on 04/04/2014 11:24:37 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

What say you?


2 posted on 04/04/2014 11:25:35 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Since when is a “Socialist-Nationalist” party “far-right?”

Yeah, that’s Svoboda’s original name.


3 posted on 04/04/2014 11:26:48 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus; All

I agree with you. Socialist Nationalists aren’t far right, but it is the template that we are often stuck with and have to work with.

Larger point is, either way, what is McCain doing?


4 posted on 04/04/2014 11:38:02 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
What say you?

We MUST support Obama, Progressive Socialist DemoRats, MSM Journolists and the Neo-Con Homofascistas against the evil Putin.

They can't be all wrong.

5 posted on 04/04/2014 11:40:11 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Same thing he’s always doing: making love to tyrants.


6 posted on 04/04/2014 11:47:20 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Well...Right Sectors 'New Official Press Secretary Olena Semenyaka' is a Nazi Swastika-waving, Hitler-saluting fascist from her photo she posted... who according to her FB posts does not advocate 'national independence' but 'a new fascist European Union.' .....(She is seen here in the upper left top corner of the swastika flag saluting)


7 posted on 04/04/2014 11:55:23 AM PDT by caww
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To: Admin Moderator

With 1/4 of the interim cabinet position being given to Svoboda, Kiev apparently ignored the 2012 European Parliament resolution - BIG TIME.


8 posted on 04/04/2014 11:59:34 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: dangus
Since when is a “Socialist-Nationalist” party “far-right?”

Exactly right!

Hitler himself once bragged of being a socialist. To label the Nazis as "extreme right," therefore, is downright silly. And highly inaccurate.

9 posted on 04/04/2014 12:00:01 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
from the mouth of Semenyaka herself:

"Practically, we are aimed at creating political blocks (not merely "economical"), in European context - new European Union (federation) with an autonomous political centre responsible for taking political desicions. Such a union should be based on open rejecting "liberal democratic" standards;...... the needed diversity will exist on the regional level. ... Liberals and leftists have no right to be represented in public sphere at all: they are at best selfish pragmatists, daydreamers, harmful chatter-boxes, etc. ... we have to face, actually, we already face the reality of the world state. The decline of national states, though, should be perceived as a positive process, because the latter are rather enemies than friends of an ethnos in an organic sense. ... what us really inspires is a new great project aimed at worldwide revolution "from the Right," https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=636951062981776&set=a.173886785954875.43159.100000006657027&type=1&permPage=1

10 posted on 04/04/2014 12:00:02 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Do those idiots have any clue what the Nazis did to Ukraine in WWII?


11 posted on 04/04/2014 12:08:25 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Here is a photo on Svobodas, Right sector Spokes woman...from facebook page..in which she attended this meeting..her comments below it as follows:

Olena Semenyaka

The lecture is quite long, so it will be hard to make English subtitles that fast..... the main thing is that nobody can see the faces. Approximately the same will be visible in the video. March 30 at 5:56am · 1

Olena Semenyaka Besides, the photos of the same room of their headquarters are uploaded on C14's page in VK, the only difference is that there are no torches and the flag) But it's something that is worth seeing! March 30 at 5:58am · 1

Bianca Isabela True, it's dark enough March 30 at 6:00am · 1

Bianca Isabela Initiatic atmosphere indeed !! March 30 at 6:01am · 2

Olena Semenyaka Yes, they've managed to create this atmosphere, so that I've even felt the presence of the spirits of the fallen... That's why I had to show it people like you! March 30 at 6:06am · 3

Bianca Isabela Thank you for this chance , dear Lena! I am really glad to see these "rituals" coming into shape more and more as they really should be , animated by high states of mind and spirit of young fighters with the proper symbolistic ambiance around and candles reminding torches.Seeing these pictures made me think someone like Evola would smile in approval March 30 at 6:18am · 1

Olena Semenyaka Completely share your feelings about the symbolic value of this moment and event! March 30, 2014


12 posted on 04/04/2014 12:08:38 PM PDT by caww
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I have a few more coming of this woman and her Nazi loving friends....just so people aren't taken in by whatever the media prints about this gal...she's a nutcase Nazi lover IMO...and this just based on her face book page should convince anyone.

She is already attempting to dissuade the reports coming out about her now...saying the photo was a Halloween picture! LOLOLOL

13 posted on 04/04/2014 12:11:56 PM PDT by caww
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To: colorado tanker

If any care to check out what she posted here on her facebook page...This Jason fellow is fully in the trenches of the Nazi’s and she supports him! What he writes is beyond chilling!

Olena Semenyaka writes.... Thank you for “sending” it to us, Jason! Your words are much appreciated!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=755607294449485&set=a.173886785954875.43159.100000006657027&type=1


14 posted on 04/04/2014 12:16:48 PM PDT by caww
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Here's another from the Right Sectors Official Spokeswomans FB page, with her comments: (I also believe she's involved with New Age Spiritualism as she uses much of their vocabulary when she posts on her page and in her speeches)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=756280797715468&set=a.173886785954875.43159.100000006657027&type=1

Olena Semenyaka

"The City Council has been released by the revolutionaries after the defeat of the former regime, but the banners remained, and it's a high time to raise them again! March 9 at 5:06pm


15 posted on 04/04/2014 12:26:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: colorado tanker
And again here she is...note the swastika at the neck....Feb.2014


16 posted on 04/04/2014 12:30:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Neo-Nazi would be fascist, right? This NOT even right wing much less far right.

Socialism: Govt ownership and control of the means of production.

Fascism: Govt control of the means of production with supposed private ownership of such means by those blessed by the rulers.

Sorry, but have been sick and tired of being tared with fascists for a long time; well past time to show the lie of it.


17 posted on 04/04/2014 12:32:36 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: dangus

Good point.

Just because they’re to the right of Marx and Lenin does not mean they are of the right.

Socialists of all stripes are of the LEFT, and we need to keep reminding people of that.


18 posted on 04/04/2014 12:35:58 PM PDT by WayneS (Help Control Politician Overpopulation - Spay or Neuter Your Senator or Congressman Today!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Mc Cain = Obama TOOL/DUPE
HE SPEAKS FOR ONLY HIMSELF AND PERHAPS HE HAS A MOUSE IN HIS POCKET (WE).... ussa riles up people to take action ....then trns its back.... obumbler is a COWARD and putin knows it.


19 posted on 04/04/2014 12:50:34 PM PDT by zzwhale
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Mc Cain = Obama TOOL/DUPE
HE SPEAKS FOR ONLY HIMSELF AND PERHAPS HE HAS A MOUSE IN HIS POCKET (WE).... ussa riles up people to take action ....then turns its back.... obumbler is a COWARD and putin knows it.


20 posted on 04/04/2014 12:50:45 PM PDT by zzwhale
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To: caww

Kind of a hottie, for a freak.

So she wants a ‘a new fascist European Union’, eh? I think that she will fit right in, although she’ll have to ditch the swastika. The symbol is verboten, the policies are not.


21 posted on 04/04/2014 1:14:47 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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The decline of national states, though, should be perceived as a positive process, because the latter are rather enemies than friends of an ethnos in an organic sense. ... what us really inspires is a new great project aimed at worldwide revolution “from the Right,”

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That explains much. At least it is a refreshingly honest intellectual position being mapped out, instead of some unibrowed, Mitteleuropean William Tell cliche.

Transnationalism it the arch enemy of the species right now.


22 posted on 04/04/2014 1:18:51 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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You should see her friends! If you're indeed judged by the company you keep she is by no means a hottie.

Much of those as herself, are all wrapped up in the New Age Jargon....as well as the Aryan race taking over...bunch o fruitcakes like the Age of Aquarius peaceniks of the 60’s.....History always repeats itself...”There is nothing new under the sun”. However....these groups will be very easily led by the likes of Hillary Clinton and that era of politicians....they know the game and have had years to perfect it. So these guys will gladly get in step with the progressive march...

Just as an example:

Here's ol' Hillary with the Russian Pussy Riot girls...loving each other...."strange bed-fellows is an understatement"


23 posted on 04/04/2014 1:24:32 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

The strident hysteria on this site by a few people to support this makes much more sense to me now. I thought they were Cold War relics. Their agendas are very much in the here and now, and their enthusiasm for Obama/EU/Soros objectives is very much rooted in the present day, and ‘fundamental transformation’.

As for the toxic chick, the woman DOES comes in a nice package. I don’t think I want anything to do with the contents though. ;)


24 posted on 04/04/2014 1:29:31 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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.....”Trans-nationalism it the arch enemy”....

It's all part of the Progressive/Globalization program...get everyone as close as possible under one roof....get as many employed as possible...resources consolidated as well as corporations, banks and all sources of fast cash...even religious institutes...they'll be going after these new Mega-Churches in time as revenue sources.......so revenues will flow and be controllable.....

Of course not to mention a “Self-Appointed” Governance to rule over it all. By then there will be so much international unrest the people will be begging for a savior from it all....and are fast ripening for just that.

25 posted on 04/04/2014 1:30:46 PM PDT by caww
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To: Psalm 144
Some are Cold war relics...others are just confused and have lost site of current events shaping the International Climate in more ways than Climate change nutcases.

All these so called “Extremist groups” will be in lockstep eventually. The powers that be will give them cause, because they are fighters, and they will go for it and feel a part of the whole plan. Just like they did in Kiev.....but make no mistake, some want the power but they will only hold it for a short time to pacify them...they'll be outed in no time....they cannot win over the big players....too armature trying to play in the professional leagues.

26 posted on 04/04/2014 1:39:29 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Was that photo taken in the San Fernando valley area?


27 posted on 04/04/2014 1:40:52 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Navy Patriot

Hitler managed to dupe the entire German nation,.... So there is no surprise here that the Right Sektor managed to poison the minds of so many Ukrainians with its “ideology”.


28 posted on 04/04/2014 1:44:29 PM PDT by caww
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Ukraine’s acting President, Oleksander Turchynov, has 'denounced the nationalist group Right Sector '...for trying to “destabilise” the country after its supporters threatened to storm the parliament building at a violent rally...we'll see how long that holds....remember the EU/US/Nato plans are always "Inclusive" Governance...even if they're bad guys


29 posted on 04/04/2014 1:49:19 PM PDT by caww
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Well, this dark babe does not particularly care to conceal her roots. She seems deeply enamored of Black Metal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal and makes a very interesting series of extrapolations from it here: http://bulava.info/semenyaka2.html

I am loving the overt fusion of the neo-cons with these black clad arsonists. I always suspected it. Now we know.


30 posted on 04/04/2014 1:50:47 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Navy Patriot
...Neo-Con Homofascistas ...

I like to call them "Effeminazis". We're on the same page ;)

31 posted on 04/04/2014 1:58:14 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
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To: WayneS
Meanwhile......US will send another warship to Black Sea and 175 Marines to Romania--all part of reassurance to Nato allies.


32 posted on 04/04/2014 2:03:17 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
yeah, here is the video of what those two disrespectful kids did in a church in Russia:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/9482190/The-punk-prayer-that-landed-Pussy-Riot-in-court.html

Hitlery's friends: desecrating a church...nice girls....

33 posted on 04/04/2014 2:07:26 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Forgotten Amendments
I like to call them "Effeminazis"

Oooo, ..good one, request permission to use it occasionally?

34 posted on 04/04/2014 2:09:30 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Psalm 144
As she states....and furthers attests to her "dark side"

From your link...

"Black Metal at the same time firmly sentences the modern world to death.... Not merely with respect to Christianity, this is the one big “Anti” to everything that is believed to be of any value for an average member of Western society:...... from the conventional notions of good and beauty to metaphysical Being itself........ In other words, Black Metal at a glance is the very embodiment of an active-nihilistic phase in a metaphysical process of transvaluation of all values heralded by Friedrich Nietzsche."

BTW so glad you're doing your own investigations of these people and how the media is projecting things sooo wrong for the most part.....and just so you know....

Alert:......British hacks are saying privately that the editorial policy in mainstream media outlets demands anti-Russian coverage of events in Crimea and Ukraine.

35 posted on 04/04/2014 2:11:17 PM PDT by caww
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To: SoFloFreeper

Yes I saw that.....and we can expose this stuff time and again and STILL people will “yield” their common sense to the political media that is fully controlled by nation governments.....and yes in the USA as well.

We very little free speech in the US without it being framed in the Liberal/Progressive PC parameters. Not to mention the media’s become Mafiosa by how they can and do produce a media campaign against anyone.


36 posted on 04/04/2014 2:15:21 PM PDT by caww
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To: SoFloFreeper

Yes I saw that.....and we can expose this stuff time and again and STILL people will “yield” their common sense to the political media that is fully controlled by nation governments.....and yes in the USA as well.

We very little free speech in the US without it being framed in the Liberal/Progressive PC parameters. Not to mention the media’s become Mafiosa by how they can and do produce a media campaign against anyone.


37 posted on 04/04/2014 2:15:21 PM PDT by caww
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To: Navy Patriot

By all means!

Hopefully, the tide is turning. Not long ago, if you even *used* the term “neocon” you got slimed as an anti-Semite. Those days are over.


38 posted on 04/04/2014 2:17:14 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
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To: caww

When you see that, along with the rise of Golden Dawn in Greece, and Jobbik in Hungary, there are some very dark shadows appearing over Europe today.


39 posted on 04/04/2014 2:17:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Now this is downright the worst case of "Does not play well with others" I've seen in some time. And we have elected democrats in Arizona.


40 posted on 04/04/2014 2:24:51 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Psalm 144
And sooo..the New Offical Speaker of the Right Sector Nazi loving group.... relates, and speaks well of the dark side...

From your links...." their controversial shows feature impaled animal heads, mock crucifixions, medieval weaponry and band members doused in animal blood.

Black metal artists often appear dressed in black with combat boots, bullet belts, spiked wristbands and inverted crosses/pentagrams to reinforce their anti-Christian or anti-religious stance.

However, the most stand-out trait is their use of corpse paint – black and white makeup (sometimes mixed with real or fake blood), which is used to create a corpse-like appearance.


41 posted on 04/04/2014 2:26:30 PM PDT by caww
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To: Caipirabob

How the heck any Ukrainian could support the Nazis, after what they did to their countrymen is beyond me.

I’ve even seen Polish skinheads embracing the Swastika, it just boggles the mind.


42 posted on 04/04/2014 2:28:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Caipirabob

When the Ukraine Revolution began these thugs were more than just a side show as our media projected them as.....media was demanded to focus on anti-Russian propaganda so as not to disturb the coup taking place as it developed.

Even here on FR those of us who tried to reveal these creeps were shot down as making mountains out of molehills. But as is said you can’t make people believe what they just refuse to see.

So now we have this Nazi Babe the Official Spokesperson for the Right Sector ....

Putin isn’t just fighting the EU/Nato/US push in his area of influences...he knows well these creeps abound over there and the Islamists as well...he’s been fighting them for years.

Most in this country do not know what it is to have these types active and operating...for here they hide in the shadows.....but if we don’t get our act together they’ll be more than just infilitrating our government...they’ll be running it throughout our congress.


43 posted on 04/04/2014 2:34:48 PM PDT by caww
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To: mac_truck

I don’t know mac-truck...it was a womans conference of some sort...you know those that Hillary attends for votes. Most are feministic groups Imo...and nothing more than anti-american fronts who use their funds to slam their junk down peoples throats....and use them to garner political strength....they are NOT FOR Woman...they’ve destroyed woman.


44 posted on 04/04/2014 2:38:37 PM PDT by caww
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To: mac_truck

I don’t know mac-truck...it was a womans conference of some sort...you know those that Hillary attends for votes. Most are feministic groups Imo...and nothing more than anti-american fronts who use their funds to slam their junk down peoples throats....and use them to garner political strength....they are NOT FOR Woman...they’ve destroyed woman.


45 posted on 04/04/2014 2:38:37 PM PDT by caww
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Yep. Her university (or whatever) essay fills in a lot of missing puzzle pieces for me in this weird conclave of Obama, the EU, NATO, Soros, Chechens, crypto-nazis, mob, McCain and neo-con bloodeaters. Quite the crowded hot tub right there.

I smelled a rat from the obviously orchestrated beginning of all of this. Here is the rat, or at least its droppings. Very Bohemian Grove, isn’t it? Give the young and horribly misdirected woman her due for being forthright about her nihilism and fervid embrace of the culture of death. She is more bold and open than her male colleagues, in and out of the Ukraine.

This may be the closest we have seen to a candid manifesto for Bush 1’s New World Order.


46 posted on 04/04/2014 2:42:20 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: dfwgator

I think it as simple as that violent anti-intellectuals are willingly subordinate and submissive to what they perceive as more powerful. They want to be on the ‘strong’ side.


47 posted on 04/04/2014 2:44:10 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: dfwgator
You're exactly right...and they are here in the USA as well..."shaddow people" if you will. Masqurading as something other than they are.

This was in the Tornoto star recently....not exactly how Americans want to be seen....but in our wake it does appear to speak volumes.....


48 posted on 04/04/2014 2:44:26 PM PDT by caww
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To: Psalm 144
Most of them have no money to enlarge their circus's.......the payoffs by Government Agencies are huge for buying these guys to act accordingly...and do at will...and takes very little to rile them up as they, like the Islamists are wired for it through their indoctrination.

This gal is in very deep and pretty much a lost cause otherwise...unfortunately governments recruit such ones from Universities today.....they like those who form opposition groups and observe them.... so they snatch them up and groom them as they will.

There's actually a team of people who travel internationally and their purpose is to get to the people on the streets, locate those like them who are up for a fight for freedom...but then hijack these protests in order to take down Leaders of nations.....it takes little to move a mass of people once you have them organized.

I remember reading a young Ukrainian girl who was innocently protesting for freedom....then she saw members of the Right Sector killing and beating unarmed police officers....and the violence erupting from their actions. She wrote about this and how scared she was that other elements were taking over....she saw the groups of Nazi's and their control of the streets, beating on people for no reason.

Ukraine is a very tough neighborhood under calm conditions...but you get them riled and all manner of thuggery erupts.

49 posted on 04/04/2014 2:57:42 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Would one get banned for declaring her “not guilty”?


50 posted on 04/04/2014 3:04:16 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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