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Analysis: U.S. Cozies Up to Kiev Gov't Including Far Right(McCain pictured next to Neo-Nazi leader?)
NBC News ^ | 3/30/2014 | Alexander Smith

Posted on 04/04/2014 11:24:37 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

Edited on 04/04/2014 11:31:18 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: caww
Raising Russian flags in Donestk today....


101 posted on 04/06/2014 9:29:07 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Breaking....

Acting President Of Ukraine ,Turchinov, cancels trip to Lithuania to deal with Pro-Russian protests in Donetsk and Luhansk....who seized administration buildings earlier today.

Maidan and Right Sector groups headed to these cities to stop the Pro-Russian plans.

There will be no doubt conflict tonight....How Putin and EU/US respond as things get heated in Eastern Ukraine will be telling. Looks like same “plan” that was initiated in Crimea....and the people are co-operating thus far.


102 posted on 04/06/2014 9:35:51 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Update....situation in Eastern Ukraine

.... continues to move rapidly ...Ukraine govt forces now are planning to storm pro-Kremlin-controlled building in Donetsk using massive force. Those holding the building are aware of this.


103 posted on 04/06/2014 9:41:02 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Police in Donetsk Ukraine have gone against gov orders & let in Russian state-controlled TV.


104 posted on 04/06/2014 10:01:33 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Pro-Russian protesters in Ukraine's Donetsk demand an emergency session of regional council to start by midnight......They said they will give a press conference at in the local administration building that they stormed earlier on Sunday.

If there is no quorum by midnight, protesters say will dissolve regional council and create a people's council instead. .....Their aim is ‘to call referendum’ on securing more ‘autonomy from Kiev’. ......they do not support Kiev Gov. Officials.

Looks like the USA/EU have stirred up a hornets nest as Eastern Ukraine Pro-Russians rise now to the occasion.

105 posted on 04/06/2014 10:09:50 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Updates: -Pro-Russian coordinators in Donetsk asking all actvists from other regions of eastern Ukraine to 'head to Donetsk' to consolidate forces -Several police commanders in Donetsk Ukraine have stated that they support Kremlin activists and are helping them bring in supplies

-President of Ukraine Turchynov called urgent meeting of power ministries and departments because of the situation in Donetsk Lugansk...expect to send Troops to regions possible

(Police protecting pro-russian operation leaders earlier today)


106 posted on 04/06/2014 10:21:46 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Updates: -Pro-Russian coordinators in Donetsk asking all actvists from other regions of eastern Ukraine to 'head to Donetsk' to consolidate forces -Several police commanders in Donetsk Ukraine have stated that they support Kremlin activists and are helping them bring in supplies

-President of Ukraine Turchynov called urgent meeting of power ministries and departments because of the situation in Donetsk Lugansk...expect to send Troops to regions possible

(Police protecting pro-russian operation leaders earlier today)


107 posted on 04/06/2014 10:23:55 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

EuroMaiden sending out SOS.....

....likely rallying to go to Donestk where appears the tipping point for Eastern Ukraine is taking place tonight....

Live feed....

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hb-insider


108 posted on 04/06/2014 10:27:50 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Pro-Russian coordinator from Kiev is warning his colleagues that ‘Kiev is sending special forces’ to Donetsk Ukraine.

Clash almost likely as the groups converge, for Eromaiden has called SOS to their people, Pro-Russians to their people to rally in Donestk...and Ukraine Gov. sending special forces to Donestk.

Big test for the new Ukraine Gov. if they can contain this and ebb the tide building....EU..USA...and Russia no doubt watching events unfold.


109 posted on 04/06/2014 10:34:08 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
OK but what's a “Svobodas, Right sector Spokes woman” ? So which position is she holding ?
110 posted on 04/06/2014 10:36:17 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: caww

2 thousand people shouting “we want Russia, we want Stalin”, yes I know.


111 posted on 04/06/2014 10:37:05 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: caww

Not sure where you get your news but a lot of what you wrote is nonsense. My family participated at the Maidan, my uncle and his family live in Kyiv and were among the many average Ukrainians who were simply fed up. They protested peacefully until Yanukovych started in with his brutal repressive tactics, assaulting journalists then unleashing secret police on the crowds, people were left with no choice but to fight back.

As far as the rest it seems like you are buying into a lot of the Russian propaganda which has been disseminated quite efficiently here,as well.

The “outsiders” in this situation are on the Russian side, the true fascists and Nazi’s in Europe all fully support Russia in this matter.

In the end, the Ukrainian people deserve the chance to settle these things for themselves, democracy is not always neat, but people are doing their best and Putin is trying to consolidate his power ahead of any elections which might legitimize the new government.


112 posted on 04/06/2014 11:26:58 AM PDT by RedForemanRules
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To: RedForemanRules; caww

Caww has a long history on FR, of being an unbiased news searcher.

You, otoh, signed up 2 days ago. How do we know you have all the relatives in Ukraine etc etc?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?


113 posted on 04/06/2014 11:30:06 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
“Caww has a long history on FR, of being an unbiased news searcher.”

LOL ! He is a Russian, who has a long history of being a disinformation agent.

114 posted on 04/06/2014 12:04:18 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246; caww

Caww is not a Russian. Are you out of your mind?


115 posted on 04/06/2014 12:24:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: RedForemanRules

Were there not supposed to be elections in a few months’ time?


116 posted on 04/06/2014 12:25:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: little jeremiah; caww

Good question, Little Jeremiah, and great point!

And good point about RFR signing up two days ago.

Caww, awesome posts! Man I wish I could find the stuff that you do...


117 posted on 04/06/2014 12:48:48 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: caww

Very pessimistic world view there, caww. But Ukraine has been in worst situations, the past three centuries were a complete write off. Relatively speaking, today’s crisis is, an improvement.

During Maidan, the joke was, if the situation was dire and you didn’t know what to do, sing the national anthem.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bHzHlSLhtmM


118 posted on 04/06/2014 2:06:18 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: caww

As for the geopolitical side of this thing, it’s not going to be the big players doing the actual fighting with Russians, it’ll be Ukrainians, so I can’t agree that Ukraine is a bystander. Used by US, meh, up to a point I guess, but I’d prefer to say that it’s providing assistance because there has been so much tension between Ukraine and Putin’s Russia that it was meant to happen, regardless of US showing up.


119 posted on 04/06/2014 2:12:18 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Ivan Mazepa

They will fight the Russians right down to the last Pole.


120 posted on 04/06/2014 2:13:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Ivan Mazepa

I’m a realist Ivan....I see things for what they are rather than what I might otherwise wish they would be....wishful thinking can distort the facts I’ve learned....but there’s always ‘hope’.... but I frankly don’t see Ukraine being much more than what’s it been....as said...the only way any in Ukraine will know ‘the freedom they seek’ is to move to another country.... Ukraine will remain a tinder box for some years because they are so vastly divided among themselves....not to mention the country’s location.

If Ukraine were not on Russia’s border, or on the Black Sea...and wasn’t a transit for the pipelines..do you think there would be much interest by the US/EU as there has been, and is now?

I doubt very much....

BTW things heating up more and more on the Eastern border...Pres. cancelled trip to call emergency meetings.....expected big clashes tonight in Donestk....they’ve been at it all day....rumor has it Ukraine’s gov. won’t miss these east cities, as loss will ensure more control over Ukraine & Kiev without the Russian population heavy there.

Kiev worried as police in those cities are not taking orders and siding with the Pro_Russian protesters. Apparently Gov. can’t call out Troops because it’s not a declaration of war...but am sure ‘special forces’ are already there if not on the way.... I read EuroMaiden/RightDecotr set out the SOS call for all to rally in Donestk. Might just all be propaganda, but said picked up per Russian communication radios someones plugged into.


121 posted on 04/06/2014 2:48:47 PM PDT by caww
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To: Ivan Mazepa
You're right,.Ukrainians will do the fighting and their blood shed...not the big players. I've often wondered if the players had to fight themselves how their decisions might be a whole nother story.

What I was referencing was the decisions pertaining to the direction of the country...Ukrainians will be the bystander's for the most part...at best chiseled down to comply by the dictates of outsiders. That's the price when you cannot stand on your own.

122 posted on 04/06/2014 2:53:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: RedForemanRules

(....”My family participated at the Maidan, my uncle and his family live in Kyiv and were among the many average Ukrainians who were simply fed up”.....)

What’s happening in Ukraine has little to do with the “average Ukranians”, aside from the protests and fighting when and if it comes. And they lost control of the protest relatively early on. Who do you think was providing the funding for this? We know that some of the oligarchs were, as well those who wanted revege for Putin kicking them out. We also know the US/Eu were providing funding......but only to depose of the Governing powers so they can shift Ukraine back on “their” track.

As mentioned before..the deal was sealed and we see it playing out so:

Russia has Crimea and Ukraine’s oil off Crimea...and possible the EAstern cities as this continues to the next phase.

US has Ukraines gold, shipped out in the dead of night no less, (thanks to Yats), which is a down-payment for US revenues massed into Ukraine for the Revolution and any other investment. Ukraine won’t be getting that back.

EU has it’s economic trade deal, without having to take on Ukraine’s debtload, and the IMF along with the EU will be calling the shots of asterity.

So now Ukraine has three boots on it’s neck. Would be nice to imagine they’d be generous to the people. But so far that hasn’t, nor does it look to happen. Ukraine will have to find it’s way out with the “tools” given it to dig with. But the digging they will have to do for many many years....

My guess is there will be yet another protest in the near future, once they all get their second wind, the current affairs are barely over if that.

Further the Presidents running are all part and parcel of the same old school house....Ukraine’s come full circle, again.


123 posted on 04/06/2014 3:21:48 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Once again, what you are posting is a,lot of nonsense, the desperate need for there to be some sort of major conspiracy is laughable. There are a great deal of changes occurring in the new government structure, there will be elections, Timochenko wont win, it will be an all new government that is free of Rusdian control and manipulation, it wont have a government that is working actively to destroy the interests of its people, to weaken the military, empower a select group of jackbooted Berkut thugs, Ukraine will finally have a chance at a freer future, it may be good, it may be bad, but the decisions will be made by Ukrainans with the best interests of Ukraine in mind, not Russian puppets with the best interests of Putin in mind.


124 posted on 04/06/2014 3:35:43 PM PDT by RedForemanRules
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To: dfwgator
Latest I've found on Ukraine updates:

-Pro-Russian protesters are in control of government buildings in Lugansk, Kharkiv, and Donetsk eastern Ukraine.

-Call out by all ground players to rendezvous, in Donestk primarily.

-Police have sided with the Pro-Russians for the most part, has Kiev Gov. worried...not following orders.

-Planned use of force on Donestk Administration Building, to regain control, by Ukrainian "special forces" sent there by Pres....and they know they are coming....staged apparently for after midnight sometime.

Here's Donestk, pretty nice community from the photos I've seen


125 posted on 04/06/2014 3:41:12 PM PDT by caww
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To: RedForemanRules
You are certainly “free” to laugh all you want. That will not change the trajectory of Ukraine and the powers that be who will move it as they determine.

You do know, I'll assume, that without Ukraine agreeing to US Missile Bases on their land they would get little help from the USA down the pike. And for EU’s monetary assist the nation must go, like Greece, with austerity controls...meaning pensions, social services etc. cut,cut,cut...which are already on the planning board if not some fully in place already.

Worked well for the Powers that be to state “sacrifice” by the people is ‘necessary’ to equip the army defense's etc.....Too bad Nato didn't step in as Ukrainians were mislead to believe...but only possible..nothing set in stone. Rather Nato put troops on the borders of it's Member states.

Ukraine wants to play in the Big Boys League and they cannot do so with amateurs easily manipulated at the wheel....whose goal is to align themselves with the Powers that be by assuming political positions. They'll be like our Congress now...yes men.

My grief is not with the Ukrainian people, nor any other nation per say. It's with the EU/US agenda to put all nations under one roof and depriving them of their independence under a false idealism it's for the good of the whole...when in fact it's a redistribution of wealth, commerce and revenues to the nations who have the most to offer in resources etc...and this to fill the Governing coffers of the International Leadership...NONE of which were elected, rather appointed by God only knows and those who did so.

Putin, China, India, Egypt... and the Middle Eastern nations, along with India are opposing this "reach" as they desire nations remain Independant and determine their own trade deals etc. rather than under the governance of a world group ear-marked to do just that. However, because of the EU/US push, they are forced to Unite into their own Groups..Eurasia..Brics etc. to offset the EU/US/Nato advances....and thus we also have with Middle Eastern Nations grouping together as well.

I am 'for' Independant Nations to Govern themselves...and this includes my country the USA.... The World Leaders are lost in their quest for World Dominance, and this on the backs of all nations peoples, who will be fortunate to get the crumbs from their table. I've watched my country get stripped of it's manufacturing, it's revenues, to fund world nations from their economies to their wars, to rebuilding thier nations, and that at the expense of the lives of our soldiers, our incomes, and the health and wealth of our citizens. The US is now left a shell of what it was.. and do you think for one minute any other nation will remember ours when it falls? or come to it's aide? Of course not...

... so I'm done with sacrificing for nations who only turn and complain like children they didn't get enough from us....and Ukraine is already doing just that. Fight your own wars and defend your own country rather than continue to be a welfare state...and be grateful for the little Ukraine has...or move to another nation.

126 posted on 04/06/2014 4:19:22 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Pro_Russian supporters occupying the administrative center in Donetsk today April6, 2014"


127 posted on 04/06/2014 4:58:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
And here also...


128 posted on 04/06/2014 5:00:47 PM PDT by caww
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Interesting and comical video of Ukranian Official on the run trying to escape in the airport....makes Keystone Cops look professional by comparison...guy in white hair does escape...how far he got I don’t know. Starts in 12 seconds...thought you’d enjoy the show. LOLOL

CCTV video from Donetsk airport of ex-GP Pshonka and ex-min of fin. Klymenko fleeing Ukraine in a big hurry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78df9lNE22U


129 posted on 04/06/2014 5:17:55 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Former prosecutor-general Viktor Pshonka, parliament ex-prosecutor Ukraine is the one guy on the run....


130 posted on 04/06/2014 5:29:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: Psalm 144
Whoa!......Ukraine Presidential frontrunner (Oligarch)'Poroshenko' said he would NOT seek to join NATO as this "could split the country."....further states...says any new leadership of the country should have "zero-tolerance" of corruption."....yet states..."Ukrainians have earned the right to a path to membership in the European Union". (http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-poroshenko-corruption-nato/25323193.html)

So Poroshenko gets it....in part. Looks like he's playing his cards right to the voters, and letting Nato/EU know the ball will be in His hands, not their's. Political talk comes cheap though...would be great if he even came through with 50% of what he says......He does look to win..and of course tightly knit to all players...and can deal with Russia when he has to....interesting twist.


131 posted on 04/06/2014 7:31:08 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

LOLOLOLOL


132 posted on 04/07/2014 6:41:45 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: caww; All

I think you nailed it in your first 4 lines.

When does (or how long does it take for) the the U.S. intervene when Christians are slaughtered en masse like they were in Sudan?

When does the U.S. intervene when non-Christians are slaughtered in sub-Saharan Africa?

You guessed. Know why? No oil...


133 posted on 04/07/2014 6:45:16 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: caww

Since it started, hundred dead, another hundred missing, oh my, what joy.

Congrats, that’s a Ted Bundy sense of humour you got there.


134 posted on 04/07/2014 8:58:21 AM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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