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Ft. Hood shooter had been denied leave day of rampage, source says
The Los Angeles Times ^ | 04-04-2014 | Richard A. Serrano

Posted on 04/04/2014 3:08:11 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016

When Army Spec. Ivan Lopez went on the shooting rampage Wednesday at Ft. Hood, Texas, killing three soldiers and injuring 16 others, he had just learned that superiors in Washington had rejected his request to take a temporary leave to deal with family matters related to his mother’s death, a federal law enforcement official said.

Officials had turned down an earlier leave request and Lopez was attempting to renew it, said the official, speaking anonymously because the investigation is ongoing.

The rejection, delivered Wednesday, set him off, the official said.

“He had put in for something regarding his mother's death and some other matters, and it was denied,” the official said. “Or it wasn't going to happen as quickly as he wanted it to.

“When they told him, he blew his top,” the official said.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: forthood; forthoodshooting; fthood; ivanlopez; shooting
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1 posted on 04/04/2014 3:08:11 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

Loser on Meds-what could go wrong?


2 posted on 04/04/2014 3:15:59 PM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Dr. Ursus

Blaming the meds is like blaming the gun. He was evil, bottom line.


3 posted on 04/04/2014 3:18:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: PaulCruz2016

In 20 years, they never turned down my husband for leave. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen but it does sound odd to me. Especially for a death.


4 posted on 04/04/2014 3:18:05 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (When you have neither the law nor the facts on your side, pound the table.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Today’s story. Yesterday it said he “may have” had a dispute with another soldier - turned out he hadn’t, and it was just a government source speculating.

Nobody knows his Muslim name yet, but I’ll bet he had one. He had the shaved head and the faint beard in the one photo I saw of him. Most Muslim converts are mentally ill or socially dysfunctional.


5 posted on 04/04/2014 3:19:31 PM PDT by livius
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To: PaulCruz2016

Sure that’s the reason, and it just happened that day. Does anyone really believe that he hadn’t been planning it for some time?


6 posted on 04/04/2014 3:19:52 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Shimmer1

It happens…. My husband ( an AF major at the time) had a colleague (also an officer) who was denied leave to go see his mother who was dying of cancer. Their commander was a heartless SOB.


7 posted on 04/04/2014 3:22:32 PM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: PaulCruz2016
Superiors in Washington have to approve leave? Something is wrong.

Leave is approved at the local commanders level most likely his company commander.

I'm guessing he was waiting for the red cross to validate an emergency leave request related to his mother's death. If it wasn't recent, there would be no emergency it would just be regular leave.

This millenial had a hissy fit and killed 3 over that??

8 posted on 04/04/2014 3:26:29 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: longfellowsmuse

Yet he didn’t go berserk and kill people.

I’m sure more excuses will be forthcoming.


9 posted on 04/04/2014 3:27:00 PM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: pfflier
Superiors in Washington have to approve leave? Something is wrong.

This story has a smell.

10 posted on 04/04/2014 3:27:22 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: pfflier

We’ll soon hear that a vending machine ate his dollar, too.


11 posted on 04/04/2014 3:28:26 PM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: Mastador1

No this was an idea that his brain could not shut off, fueled by loss of Mother & Grand Father,dealing with the ravages of depression, & muddled by the meds [which can have very weird sideeffects of the person using them] A thought can enter the mind & not be shut off unless the person is either dead or the thought has been completed. I should know, I am dealing with the effects of multiple head injuries & take a large doses of meds to deal with them. But you also have to add talk therapy to help deal with issues & NOT just rely on the meds to do everything. Then he should have not been able to purchase the pistol, in his medical condition/s, he was not in his right Army from the Reserves [they do not promote as fast as the regular forces do] so calling him a looser because of his age versus his rank is wrong folks.


12 posted on 04/04/2014 3:32:01 PM PDT by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25 Pacem Bello Pastoribus Canes [shepard of peace,dogs of war])
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To: PaulCruz2016

I saw another story where is mother was suffering his loss just after being re-united with a daughter. Is she really dead?


13 posted on 04/04/2014 3:35:23 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: PaulCruz2016

His mother died last year and they were only going to give him one day. They did change
that and he got two days.

Apparently he was attempting to schedule another leave. Here is a snip from CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/us/fort-hood-shooter-profile/

snip
Before the shooting, Lopez stopped at the base’s personnel office to pick up a leave form,
according to the father of one of the soldiers injured in the attack.

Theodis Westbrook, the father of Sgt. Jonathan Westbrook, told CNN affiliate WLBT that
his son was working in the office. When one of the other officers asked Lopez to come
back for the form the next day, he returned a short time later with a gun and opened
fire, Westbrook said.
end snip


14 posted on 04/04/2014 3:38:06 PM PDT by deport
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To: Mastador1

Could it be that he created the scene (argument about leave) so he could do his Muslim thing?


15 posted on 04/04/2014 3:40:10 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Salamander

No he did not. He was and is a good man.

There is no excuse for what this man has done at fort hood. I was only saying that commanders can be heartless with their leave denials.

May God give comfort to all the victims and their families


16 posted on 04/04/2014 3:40:32 PM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: longfellowsmuse

Except I believe the deaths of his relatives were months ago.


17 posted on 04/04/2014 3:41:24 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: TMSuchman

Deaths usually slow you down...not aggravate you. And the deaths were months ago.


18 posted on 04/04/2014 3:42:47 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Shimmer1

And nobody in Washington was involved in an E4’s leave request!


19 posted on 04/04/2014 3:44:23 PM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: Shimmer1
In 20 years, they never turned down my husband for leave. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen but it does sound odd to me. Especially for a death.

Yep, and especially for someone assigned to the Warrior Transition Brigade. It's not like he was on the short list for deployment. He was in limbo status as it were. Also, since when does any soldier need leave approval from a DA level authority? His immediate commander could grant him leave.

20 posted on 04/04/2014 3:46:23 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Salamander

Or he poured cereal into the bowl before checking if there was milk first.


21 posted on 04/04/2014 3:46:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sacajaweau

But his brain/mind were muddled by the meds & Army Admin. From what I can glean from the reporting he had tried to work with in the system, but some of the meds [specifically the SSRI’s ie Prozac] can make things very bad & magnify the problem/s you see. They warp your perspective on the world.


22 posted on 04/04/2014 3:47:32 PM PDT by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25 Pacem Bello Pastoribus Canes [shepard of peace,dogs of war])
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To: TADSLOS
Also, since when does any soldier need leave approval from a DA level authority?

They don't. This is some moron reporter writing about crap he doesn't understand.

23 posted on 04/04/2014 3:48:53 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Dr. Ursus

They wouldn’t let him go home when his mother died? If we had a free press they could find out if a tranney has ever been denied the right to see his doctor... I’d like to know the priorities of our ‘armed’ (but not armed) services.


24 posted on 04/04/2014 3:49:50 PM PDT by GOPJ (For your psycho gunman, a military base is basically a grade-school in uniform. - Mark Steyn)
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To: jagusafr

You haven’t seen the new DA31?

“Approval Authority: First 4-star in your chain of command.”


25 posted on 04/04/2014 3:49:56 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I think they are planting these stories to hide the truth.


26 posted on 04/04/2014 3:50:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: All

The following article has a lot of info if anyone is interested:

Family
Gun
Combat
Medical
Work

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/us/fort-hood-shooter-profile/


27 posted on 04/04/2014 3:51:12 PM PDT by deport
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To: Future Snake Eater

LOL. No wonder the Four Stars in DoD can’t lead effectively. They’re too busy reviewing leave requests in between attending transgender sensing sessions with Generalissimo Obama.


28 posted on 04/04/2014 3:53:27 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Sacajaweau

death and the ensuing grief of a loved one affects everyone differently. to claim to know how death affects someone is narcissistic. Remember we are talking about a mentally ill man here.

the passage of months is not a long time to move through the grief process, it can take years. My mother died when I was only 17 years old and I was a mentally stable teenager and yet my grief lasted much more than “months”

Sounds as though this tragedy could have been prevented if the mental health professionals had been doing a little more than throwing pills at him, but that often the way psychiatry treats the mentally ill these days. The professionals handling his care should have known he was a danger to himself and others and had him hospitalized.


29 posted on 04/04/2014 3:53:48 PM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: TADSLOS

Hey, it’s a busy job, that’s why they get paid the big bucks!


30 posted on 04/04/2014 3:56:31 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: GOPJ

The priorities of our “armed “ services are very often the personal priorities of the commanders in charge… hubby saw things in 13 years of active duty that have nothing to do with integrity and service before self….


31 posted on 04/04/2014 3:56:51 PM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Maybe a reason but not an excuse


32 posted on 04/04/2014 4:01:49 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: dfwgator
"Or he poured cereal into the bowl before checking if there was milk first."

Maybe his Rice Krispies didn't go "Snap, Crackle and Pop, and it set him off.

33 posted on 04/04/2014 4:04:14 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: livius

I call bs

You have no evidence


34 posted on 04/04/2014 4:10:05 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Oh poor baby he couldn’t get a leave of absence for one day, so he uses that opportunity to slaughter 3 innocent people..sick bastard..he was probably a whack job before he entered the military, he just used the military as an excuse for his behavior..I dont pity him at all, he’s a murderer, plain and simple


35 posted on 04/04/2014 4:12:28 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: longfellowsmuse

I agree.

I was once a Navy wife and know how it goes.


36 posted on 04/04/2014 4:18:28 PM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: dfwgator

Now that right there is reason enough.

/s


37 posted on 04/04/2014 4:19:47 PM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: Salamander

I think the last time it happened to me, the whole neighborhood heard my cry of “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!”


38 posted on 04/04/2014 4:22:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: PaulCruz2016

Oh, did his mom die again?


39 posted on 04/04/2014 4:25:08 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: PaulCruz2016

I’m betting that, since he was going to Puerto Rico (some consider an overseas foreign country), the Pentagon had to decide if he could go. Also, there are some anti-American commie elements in PR that Lopez may be a member of, and the Pentagon has to have knowledge of movements of such individuals.


40 posted on 04/04/2014 4:55:32 PM PDT by batterycommander (a little more rubble, a lot less trouble)
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To: dfwgator

LOL!

Oh, the humanity!

(I have eaten cereal with water, in the past... Not recommending that)


41 posted on 04/04/2014 5:05:31 PM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Denied leave? Good Lord, that was a regular occurrence when I served (USAF 1970-1974). EVERYONE who has ever served knew and knows that the #1 Rule is: The needs of the Service come first. We knew that and we accepted that. Oh, we may have been pissed off, but we accepted it.


42 posted on 04/04/2014 5:21:06 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Shimmer1

I saw it happen several times. Especially with someone who was having trouble in other areas.


43 posted on 04/04/2014 5:23:11 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: pfflier

If he had exceeded his leave balance it may require higher level approval.


44 posted on 04/04/2014 5:24:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Dr. Ursus
Loser on Meds-what could go wrong?

Perhaps if shrinks were responsible for those to whom
they prescribe SSRIs , the world would be a better place

45 posted on 04/04/2014 5:49:11 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

what we’ve gleaned:

enlisted in PR national guard for 9 years. A post on another thread says he was on ‘military leave’ from the PR PD but CNN says he was on the PD ‘at one time.’
Deployed 2007, one year, to Sinai/Kuwait.
2008-2010 (back in PR? divorce/re-marriage timing?)
2010 Enlisted active duty Army, infantry
Apr 2010 PCS to Ft. Bliss; reassigned to motor pool, truck driver.
2011 Deployed Iraq, four months. Self-reports PTSD and traumatic brain injury during this stint.
2011-Feb 2014 PCS Ft. Bliss - details?
Late 2013 - grandfather and mother pass within 2 months of each other. Leave for mother initially denied (medical status reasons?), granted for 24 hours, extended to 48 hrs. (military pays ticket?)
Feb 2014 - PCS to Ft. Hood for medical evaluation/PTSD testing. Meets with psychiatrist, presenting symptoms depression, insomnia, anxiety; prescribed medications including Ambien. PTSD evaluation begins.
Feb/Mar - requests leave which is later denied(skuttlebutt)
March 1 - purchases 45 cal.
end of March - moves wife and daug into offbase apt
Day of shooting: in no certain order: enters three buildings, including his own unit and that of Personnel, firing at occupants. “Credible information” (CNN) there is was an argument with members of his unit. (separate from Personnel?)
Drives to and enters Personnel building and requests submission form to request leave. Told by officer to come back tomorrow (office closed maybe after 4pm?). Leaves, returns, opens fire, killing at least one. Leaves. Fires randomly on pedestrians on each leg of the drive as he drives from building to building.
When drawn down upon by a female officer, Lopez does not fire but chooses to self-eliminate instead.

Obvious questions:
1. after 9 years of NG and almost 4 years of active, shouldn’t he have been higher in rank than Specialist?
2. After gaining rank in NG and being a PR cop, would being assigned as a truck driver (one who takes orders as opposed to one who gives orders) have caused some deep resentment (identity crisis) that dominated his behavior?
3. Was he evaluated for adult-onset schizophrenia in 2011?


46 posted on 04/04/2014 6:11:50 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: longfellowsmuse

Agree. A good man who it appears had been yanked around by his chain of command after his grandfather & mother died, transferred from Fort Bliss to Fort Hood shortly thereafter, pumped full of dangerous meds, denied leave, and then denied even being handed a blank leave request form by some asshat in Personnel.

He snapped, and I’ll bet he then went to his vehicle to retrieve the .45, returned, and began blasting. Awful crime of passion, fueled by stress, Ambien, SSRIs, and dickhead Army bureaucrats.

Obama and the Lt. Gen. say they will get to the bottom of the matter. Yes they will, and then bury the truth, just as they did with the Muzzie jihadist Hassan.

Flame away...24 years in the armed forces...and sick of what the PC, leftist crapweasels have done to the military.


47 posted on 04/04/2014 6:48:10 PM PDT by twister881
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To: Future Snake Eater

LOL - it IS a symptom of the new military...


48 posted on 04/04/2014 6:55:36 PM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: longfellowsmuse

Heck right before i got out of the air force someone was making obscene phone calls to my wife while i was at work. I got caller id when it first came out and found out it was someone i worked with. Took the caller id in to the capt and he ordered me to apologize to the bastard making the calls. Yeah i thought about fragging a couple of guys.


49 posted on 04/04/2014 7:00:55 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TMSuchman

I hope you find relief and better health. I may be wrong, often am, but I did not see where the shooter had experienced brain trauma, i thought he saw no combat during his tour?


50 posted on 04/04/2014 7:40:11 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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